EPTat the highest level terrans do ok (see gsl). but even a player like MVP looks like mid grandmaster when his control sucks.
a zerg/toss can be a bit out of shape and still do good if the terran does not look for a sec and he gets a storm/fungal in.
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furo
Germany449 Posts
at the highest level terrans do ok (see gsl). but even a player like MVP looks like mid grandmaster when his control sucks. a zerg/toss can be a bit out of shape and still do good if the terran does not look for a sec and he gets a storm/fungal in. | ||
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furo
Germany449 Posts
looking forward to see 30m+ games in each game of Nerchio vs Hasu. Bo5... gonna be fun... yawn | ||
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FakeDeath
Malaysia6060 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:22 Taktik wrote: Sleep > YongHwa Sleep is underrated and while everybody say YongHwa got good PvZ he lost to foreigner zerg in this tournament already so I see Sleep as a favourite here. sLivko < Golden That one is harder for me because its ZvZ however its BO5 so in the end I will safely say korean should win xd HasuObs < Nerchio Hasu showed some really good games and I wouldnt be suprised if he would end up on top of this clash, however Im pretty sure Nerchio knows how Hasu plays so I predict 3-2 for polish zerg. MC > Ret MC will take it no doubt. I feel like this matchup will be far more exciting than people expect, Ret can play very well against korean protosses and should take at least one map. Sleep > Golden No idea why but just feels like it xd MC > Nerchio While Nerchio showed in the past that he is "one of those" foreigners that can beat koreans (Hero and viOLet in HSCIV and YongHwa in this one) I dont think he stands a chance against MC. Nerchio often comments on his ZvP how he doesnt like it and dont really understands the MU, while MCs PvZ is his best. If Nerchio doesnt looked up some of MCs recent replays I predict 3-0 however lest hope he can make exciting series for us  Sleep < MC MC wins 4-2, Sleep may be underrated but doesnt feel like he is on MCs level yet. And nobody cares about 3rd place matches anyway... Exactly my predictions. | ||
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vthree
Hong Kong8039 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:18 furo wrote: Happy > most of the players you name. he played bad vs hasu tho and got unlucky that he got hasu and not a other toss. hasu knew his style and played for the deathball and did not max on zealot/templar which gets countered by 20 ghosts. playing passive 200 vs 200 when the toss can remax faster is not too smart as well (last game). the major problem with terran is the army control which could be seen in alot of matches ( for example DBS vs slivko - 1 mistake, chainfungal, gg) and vs zerg its the problem that you kinda get forced to play two base all-in (hi Naama) which gets countered by good control/infesters regardless on how good the terran is. ofc zergs want terran to play macro, its their advantage cause lava is great... obv there are not alot of good terrans since its alot harder to play. so players chose Z or P. Honestly, Terrans have never been strong in the NA/EU scene. You have ThorZain, Kas, Happy, Lucifron as the top tier and there are at least 10 zerg and 10 protoss on their level in NA/EU. The terran 'imbalance' has always been the Korean terrans like MVP, MMA, MKP, Jjajki, etc. The reason for this is the Koreans are able to play aggressively while maintaining their macro. The best TvZ terrans have always played aggressively in TvZ which forces the zerg to build army (instead of drones) and also to deny creep/expansions. But now, the mass Queen openings take so much of that ability away and we see even the best TvZers struggling. | ||
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Deadlifter
Norway68 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:18 furo wrote: Happy > most of the players you name. obv there are not alot of good terrans since its alot harder to play. so players chose Z or P. Lmao, I know I'm getting trolled, but I'll bite. So, you think that someone who achieved -NOTHING- (aside from high ladder rankings) is on a higher level than a multi code S champion, people who consistently place top 8 or WIN the most prestigious offline tourneys like MLG's or dreamhacks etc Find me a single person i mentioned who is less accomplished than Happy. Please. | ||
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aTo
Austria588 Posts
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Choboo
Sweden2088 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:32 Deadlifter wrote: Lmao, I know I'm getting trolled, but I'll bite. So, you think that someone who achieved -NOTHING- (aside from high ladder rankings) is on a higher level than a multi code S champion, people who consistently place top 8 or WIN the most prestigious offline tourneys like MLG's or dreamhacks etc Find me a single person i mentioned who is less accomplished than Happy. Please. while he might not be more accomplished by looking at offline tournaments he is definitely on the same level as tod and tlo. | ||
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phoenixfeather95
665 Posts
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xrapture
United States1644 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:03 Deadlifter wrote: I got to say it's awkward as hell to see the terrans at HSC complain that there are so few terrans left in the tourney. I mean come on. There were 12 protoss, 13 zerg and only 7 terrans. Now lets look at who could realistically go really far in the tourney from each race: Protoss: MC Socke Sase ToD MaNa Yonghwa and maybe bling. Zerg: TLO Dimaga Ret Golden Sleep Nerchio and maybe idra/slivko. Terran: MVP. Who is currently in a huge slump, and also lost to Naama..... TvT imba too? lol Tell me ANY of the other terran players are on the same level as the above mentioned zergs and protosses please. ummm.. Happy ofc... | ||
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Skyline026
Netherlands1129 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:37 aTo wrote: the winner of ret vs MC will take the tournament Indeed, Ret will win this. | ||
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aTo
Austria588 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:52 phoenixfeather95 wrote: EDIT: nvm wrong thread >.> u mean soe btw ^^ | ||
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furo
Germany449 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:32 Deadlifter wrote: Lmao, I know I'm getting trolled, but I'll bite. So, you think that someone who achieved -NOTHING- (aside from high ladder rankings) is on a higher level than a multi code S champion, people who consistently place top 8 or WIN the most prestigious offline tourneys like MLG's or dreamhacks etc Find me a single person i mentioned who is less accomplished than Happy. Please. you are not getting trolled. most players dont play T since its too hard to control lategame so they play P or Z. since the last patch T cant apply early pressure as affective as before (queen destroy reaper openings, make 2 rax very hard to execute for terran, help vs hellions, overlords can now get to the opponents base 25% earlier to scout, etc..). so the best MU before is now the hardest for terran. vs P its still ok for terran, nothing has changed and you can apply pressure and get ahead early/mid. and i name happy cause he was the best terran at HSC5 with MVP playing poorly, and his control was better than the control of most the P/Z. and he still lost 2-0 to a very good, but not worldclass P like Hasu cause he did 2 mistakes in 2 games. Terran is just unforgiving. why should i name koreans/thorzain/Kas? i know that there are better players than Happy, but they have not been there. | ||
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Encdalf
Germany66 Posts
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phoenixfeather95
665 Posts
haha  thanks | ||
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n0ise
3452 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:32 Deadlifter wrote: Lmao, I know I'm getting trolled, but I'll bite. So, you think that someone who achieved -NOTHING- (aside from high ladder rankings) is on a higher level than a multi code S champion, people who consistently place top 8 or WIN the most prestigious offline tourneys like MLG's or dreamhacks etc Find me a single person i mentioned who is less accomplished than Happy. Please. lol only players that stand out on that list are MC, Golden and maybe SaSe/MaNa? the rest, including most terrans (at least naama, cloud, happy) are at about the same level and any one could win over the other (normally) on any given day also, quite curious to see viewer numbers for this final day | ||
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mazqo
Finland368 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:03 Deadlifter wrote: I got to say it's awkward as hell to see the terrans at HSC complain that there are so few terrans left in the tourney. I mean come on. There were 12 protoss, 13 zerg and only 7 terrans. Now lets look at who could realistically go really far in the tourney from each race: Protoss: MC Socke Sase ToD MaNa Yonghwa and maybe bling. Zerg: TLO Dimaga Ret Golden Sleep Nerchio and maybe idra/slivko. Terran: MVP. Who is currently in a huge slump, and also lost to Naama..... TvT imba too? lol Tell me ANY of the other terran players are on the same level as the above mentioned zergs and protosses please. Lol how biased you are. ToD, TLO, bling, idra and slivko arent any better than terran players in HSC. | ||
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Luolis
Finland7182 Posts
On July 08 2012 18:55 furo wrote: you are not getting trolled. most players dont play T since its too hard to control lategame so they play P or Z. since the last patch T cant apply early pressure as affective as before (queen destroy reaper openings, make 2 rax very hard to execute for terran, help vs hellions, overlords can now get to the opponents base 25% earlier to scout, etc..). so the best MU before is now the hardest for terran. vs P its still ok for terran, nothing has changed and you can apply pressure and get ahead early/mid. and i name happy cause he was the best terran at HSC5 with MVP playing poorly, and his control was better than the control of most the P/Z. and he still lost 2-0 to a very good, but not worldclass P like Hasu cause he did 2 mistakes in 2 games. Terran is just unforgiving. why should i name koreans/thorzain/Kas? i know that there are better players than Happy, but they have not been there. Naama would like a word with you... | ||
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Chaosvuistje
Netherlands2581 Posts
I love watching ZvZs, especially Nerchio's and Slivko's. | ||
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aTo
Austria588 Posts
On July 08 2012 19:16 Chaosvuistje wrote: I want to see an all Zerg round of 4 > I love watching ZvZs, especially Nerchio's and Slivko's.hahaha i dont think that many pple agree with you :D at least i hope for MC to get to the final... i need some builds - and afterall they will release the replays so more P replays! :D | ||
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CruiseR
Poland4014 Posts
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