The Evil Geniuses Master’s Cup Series League will feature 12 teams in a round robin format with each team matchup containing at least four best of three games between two teams. The top four teams at the end of the season will advance to the playoffs on a two day live broadcast weekend. Results
Very important match considering that both teams are respectively third and fourth, and the league has only three more rounds to go. Both teams are yet to play vs mouz, so the loser of this match may have a hard time staying in the top four.
Oz hardly played any matches for FXO. checked his KSL history, 0 games prolly his last games in a teamleague, were the GSTL group matches or something, they didnt even use him in semi finals....
ByuL 2-0 Kas aLive 2-0 BeastyQT NightEnD 0-2 Happy Oz 2-1 viOlet
Byul is such a strong z v t player ~~I don't think kas has any chance to take down Byul.. The key game will be OZ VS violet....If oz lose,May be wo can see alive in the ace match! fnatic 3:1 Empire
On May 15 2012 16:26 Silvanel wrote: Very important match considering that both teams are respectively third and fourth, and the league has only three more rounds to go. Both teams are yet to play vs mouz, so the loser of this match may have a hard time staying in the top four.
EG still has Fnatic to play as well :O pretty important matches coming down the wire.
On May 15 2012 17:14 ZeroSC2 wrote: Oz hardly played any matches for FXO. checked his KSL history, 0 games prolly his last games in a teamleague, were the GSTL group matches or something, they didnt even use him in semi finals....
Looks like a really great match... I'm glad Fnatic is taking it seriously and using most of their top players.
ByuL < Kas aLive > Beastyqt NightEnD < Happy Oz > viOLet
aLive > viOLet in ace match.
All of those matches could go either way imo... alive and beastyqt should be a great TvT and it will be fun to see Oz playing for Fnatic for the first time.
I think Kas is struggling from what Idra did at the end of his winning streak (when Puma 3-0'd him at NASL2 finals). He's become too predictable and players are beating him just by countering his style.
On May 16 2012 10:32 Warpish wrote: Many people seem to think that NightEnd can take out Happy. I have serious doubts.
may be I am the only man think happy beat nightend
Wasn't Happy the one that somewhat revolutionized late-game TvP with mass Viking/Ghost, killing the observers, and then sniping/EMPing everything possible with cloaked ghosts, thus minimalizing the effectiveness of all the powerful AoE units like Colossi, HT's and Archons?
After seeing Select beat Alive in NASL, I think Alive may struggle with cross server play.This series may have also been played while Beasty was in the US, which would put him at a big advantage. Beasty could take it.
On May 16 2012 10:32 Warpish wrote: Many people seem to think that NightEnd can take out Happy. I have serious doubts.
may be I am the only man think happy beat nightend
Wasn't Happy the one that somewhat revolutionized late-game TvP with mass Viking/Ghost, killing the observers, and then sniping/EMPing everything possible with cloaked ghosts, thus minimalizing the effectiveness of all the powerful AoE units like Colossi, HT's and Archons?
yep he's also top 1 eu ladder ( by rank and by winrate %) for ??? seasons
imo today fnatic 3:1 empire byul > kas alive > beastyqt (but can go other way, beasty is really solid against everyone nowadays) nightend < happy oz > violet
On May 16 2012 10:32 Warpish wrote: Many people seem to think that NightEnd can take out Happy. I have serious doubts.
may be I am the only man think happy beat nightend
Wasn't Happy the one that somewhat revolutionized late-game TvP with mass Viking/Ghost, killing the observers, and then sniping/EMPing everything possible with cloaked ghosts, thus minimalizing the effectiveness of all the powerful AoE units like Colossi, HT's and Archons?
Yes, it's awesome.
Looks like a at least a 3-1 Fnatic incoming, maybe even 4-0. I don't think Empire can pull it back from here.
On May 16 2012 10:58 ZeroSC2 wrote: imo fnatic with Oz could be the only team to beat SlayerS. Are the best 4 teams going into playoffs?
Not sure if Oz could do it alone though. Last time Slayers 4-0ed Fnatic, and they held back MMA. I don't think Fnatic has quite the depth as Slayers. They fall off very quickly after aLive and Oz. If Slayers fields the A-lineup in the finals, I don't think any team has a good chance against them
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
On May 16 2012 10:58 ZeroSC2 wrote: imo fnatic with Oz could be the only team to beat SlayerS. Are the best 4 teams going into playoffs?
Not sure if Oz could do it alone though. Last time Slayers 4-0ed Fnatic, and they held back MMA. I don't think Fnatic has quite the depth as Slayers. They fall off very quickly after aLive and Oz. If Slayers fields the A-lineup in the finals, I don't think any team has a good chance against them
Happy's multitasking was as close to perfect as you can get in that second game. It's been a long time since I've seen a game that well executed from start to finish. Really impressive play!
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just an passionate aLive hater, admit it.
It is pretty obvious he is, but why? aLive is such a random guy to hate on. I've never heard of him rubbing anyone the wrong way.
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just an passionate aLive hater, admit it.
It is pretty obvious he is, but why? aLive is such a random guy to hate on. I've never heard of him rubbing anyone the wrong way.
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just an passionate aLive hater, admit it.
It is pretty obvious he is, but why? aLive is such a random guy to hate on. I've never heard of him rubbing anyone the wrong way.
the only reason i slightly dislike alive is because of silentbonjwa/godofwar's fanboyism
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just an passionate aLive hater, admit it.
It is pretty obvious he is, but why? aLive is such a random guy to hate on. I've never heard of him rubbing anyone the wrong way.
aLive: - in Fnatic - Korean - Terran - code A - wear glasses - win against Protoss in IPL - not in Empire - play against Beastqt - play against Kas
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
Your right, IPL4 was different to Code S. Despite it having all the same players you didn't get to prepare certain match ups for maps, had to play game after game after game instead of having a week or two break.
wow... Just speechless. First time I've seen a Toss lose with that kind of a lead. Mass ghost the new Terran end-game? But it looked so micro-intensive...
nightend built no observers after losing his army. if he did, i think he could have crushed that army which had like 6 vikings with the 4 colossuses he had
On May 16 2012 10:58 ZeroSC2 wrote: imo fnatic with Oz could be the only team to beat SlayerS. Are the best 4 teams going into playoffs?
Not sure if Oz could do it alone though. Last time Slayers 4-0ed Fnatic, and they held back MMA. I don't think Fnatic has quite the depth as Slayers. They fall off very quickly after aLive and Oz. If Slayers fields the A-lineup in the finals, I don't think any team has a good chance against them
On May 16 2012 12:35 openbox1 wrote: wow... Just speechless. First time I've seen a Toss lose with that kind of a lead. Mass ghost the new Terran end-game? But it looked so micro-intensive...
New?... -.-
So excited for next game! Oz vs Violet! woot, hope that's gonna be a good series!
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
"Thats why he won" ROFLMAO you sir are funny. He didn't win because he beat Polt, MKP, Nestea, Squirtle, GanZi, PartinG and TAiLS he won because he had a 3 hour break before the finals. Please just stop and go away
On May 16 2012 12:35 Daniel C wrote: inb4 ghost OP :D
Too slow!
i didnt say they are OP at all, i just said most terrans are too stupid to build more then 6 of them while they have everything they need - but they keep remaxing on mm.
they arent OP because the toss has a timing before the T can have this amount of ghosts. in case they turtle heavily on 3 base and build that mass ghost/medivac/viking army with just few mms, you win by economy and warpgate power.
Im just facepalming everytime someone says "PvT lategame imbalacned, P so OP", even demuslim says it... i dont get it - dont they ever watch games? Happy won with that lategame comp against creator and every fucking EU toss 2 months ago. there is like 1 person who adopted it (Type.DBS) who isnt acutally on that lvl yet.
Quoting axlav on the "once they have 20+ ghosts you cant win a fight anymore, you rely on reinforcements and economy"
On May 16 2012 12:36 mR.bONG789 wrote: nightend built no observers after losing his army. if he did, i think he could have crushed that army which had like 6 vikings with the 4 colossuses he had
true, he had enough lead to win even against that army happy had. happy didnt have enough vikings to make all observers disappear with 2-3 scans all over the place - especially with happy not having more than 2 orbitals.
I agree with KalWarkov. The amount of times i was in threads with Terrans going "Fucking Protoss bullshit blah blah blah" and told them to watch Happy's late game TvP. I was shut down every. Single. Time. Now people finally take notice, funny that
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
He could beat MVP in Code S finals, while Squirtle wont be able to prevend MVP from his 4th GSL title.
worlds best TvT with MMA, Top 2 TvP (recent wins MC, PartinG, Squirtle etc), TvZ not weak but weakness right now, still Code S average.
Btw Leenock is aLives arch rival, he already lost against him in Code S round of 8.
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
"Thats why he won" ROFLMAO you sir are funny. He didn't win because he beat Polt, MKP, Nestea, Squirtle, GanZi, PartinG and TAiLS he won because he had a 3 hour break before the finals. Please just stop and go away
you sir are a fanboy
did you see "well deserved win" in my post?
i was talking about winners bracket final&grand final.
On May 16 2012 05:10 dragonborn wrote: kas > byul alive < beastyqt nightend < happy oz > violet
ace match: alive 0 kas 2
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
He could beat MVP in Code S finals, while Squirtle wont be able to prevend MVP from his 4th GSL title.
worlds best TvT with MMA, Top 2 TvP (recent wins MC, PartinG, Squirtle etc), TvZ not weak but weakness right now, still Code S average.
Btw Leenock is aLives arch rival, he already lost against him in Code S round of 8.
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
He could beat MVP in Code S finals, while Squirtle wont be able to prevend MVP from his 4th GSL title.
worlds best TvT with MMA, Top 2 TvP (recent wins MC, PartinG, Squirtle etc), TvZ not weak but weakness right now, still Code S average.
Btw Leenock is aLives arch rival, he already lost against him in Code S round of 8.
Yippee! A fanboy fight to the death over the better Terran! MMA fan reporting!
First some ground rules: 1. No ad hominem attacks 2. No clawing of the face or hair 3. Let's do this!
MMA: 2 time GSL champion and 2 time GSTL MVP. Checkmate :p
MVP is the most accomplished and best Terran right now, simply because he is in the finals again and has only failed to reach the semifinals or higher of the GSL once since GSL July. Even a biased guy like myself cannot deny that.
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
He could beat MVP in Code S finals, while Squirtle wont be able to prevend MVP from his 4th GSL title.
worlds best TvT with MMA, Top 2 TvP (recent wins MC, PartinG, Squirtle etc), TvZ not weak but weakness right now, still Code S average.
Btw Leenock is aLives arch rival, he already lost against him in Code S round of 8.
On May 16 2012 11:42 dragonborn wrote: [quote] world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
He could beat MVP in Code S finals, while Squirtle wont be able to prevend MVP from his 4th GSL title.
worlds best TvT with MMA, Top 2 TvP (recent wins MC, PartinG, Squirtle etc), TvZ not weak but weakness right now, still Code S average.
Btw Leenock is aLives arch rival, he already lost against him in Code S round of 8.
Yippee! A fanboy fight to the death over the better Terran! MMA fan reporting!
First some ground rules: 1. No ad hominem attacks 2. No clawing of the face or hair 3. Let's do this!
MMA: 2 time GSL champion and 2 time GSTL MVP. Checkmate :p
MVP is the most accomplished and best Terran right now, simply because he is in the finals again and has only failed to reach the semifinals or higher of the GSL once since GSL July. Even a biased guy like myself cannot deny that.
You need to improve your bias if you want to call yourself a fanboy again. MMA #1 ALWAYS! Flash is going to get owned so hard.
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
"Thats why he won" ROFLMAO you sir are funny. He didn't win because he beat Polt, MKP, Nestea, Squirtle, GanZi, PartinG and TAiLS he won because he had a 3 hour break before the finals. Please just stop and go away
you sir are a fanboy
did you see "well deserved win" in my post?
i was talking about winners bracket final&grand final.
Actually i am not even an aLive fan at all, i can admit that he is good and not downplay his wins. Also you contradict yourself every sentence you write. He only won IPL4 because he had 3+ hours of rest (Which he actually did not have) waiting for THE FINAL so he was already top 2 at least against the rest of Code S.
I'm done trying to talk to you, complete waste of time
On May 16 2012 11:42 dragonborn wrote: [quote] world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
He could beat MVP in Code S finals, while Squirtle wont be able to prevend MVP from his 4th GSL title.
worlds best TvT with MMA, Top 2 TvP (recent wins MC, PartinG, Squirtle etc), TvZ not weak but weakness right now, still Code S average.
Btw Leenock is aLives arch rival, he already lost against him in Code S round of 8.
Yippee! A fanboy fight to the death over the better Terran! MMA fan reporting!
First some ground rules: 1. No ad hominem attacks 2. No clawing of the face or hair 3. Let's do this!
MMA: 2 time GSL champion and 2 time GSTL MVP. Checkmate :p
MVP is the most accomplished and best Terran right now, simply because he is in the finals again and has only failed to reach the semifinals or higher of the GSL once since GSL July. Even a biased guy like myself cannot deny that.
yay fanfight i liek :D
mkp is the most recent GSTL MVP - going 11-1 in games MMA's achievements that you listed were last year I mentioned this years' games, which are more relevant. MKP is doing much better than MMA is this year, almost everyone would agree [other than some herp days like GSL Ro16]
MVP is the top terran right now by virtue of his 5th finals :D
On May 16 2012 11:42 dragonborn wrote: [quote] world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
He could beat MVP in Code S finals, while Squirtle wont be able to prevend MVP from his 4th GSL title.
worlds best TvT with MMA, Top 2 TvP (recent wins MC, PartinG, Squirtle etc), TvZ not weak but weakness right now, still Code S average.
Btw Leenock is aLives arch rival, he already lost against him in Code S round of 8.
Yippee! A fanboy fight to the death over the better Terran! MMA fan reporting!
First some ground rules: 1. No ad hominem attacks 2. No clawing of the face or hair 3. Let's do this!
MMA: 2 time GSL champion and 2 time GSTL MVP. Checkmate :p
MVP is the most accomplished and best Terran right now, simply because he is in the finals again and has only failed to reach the semifinals or higher of the GSL once since GSL July. Even a biased guy like myself cannot deny that.
Not saying aLive is the best Terran, but hes far from Code A material like Dragonborn trys to say.
Imo its always close between MMA, MVP, MKP and aLive.
Winning a lot of ezpz foreign tounies recently, but always fails to get a GSL title when going back to Korea. More like best kong in the world. Look at the real champ MVP! The 4th GSL title is 50% in his pocket already.
someone just cant give credit to a worldclass Terran ))
world class code A player.
i guess he will drop to code B pretty soon.
You have Empire down as 3-1, which is already wrong, butwhy do you have scores for an ace other than to show your displeasure at aLive's skill??
displeasure his skills?
not really, being a world class A player is really hard at this time.
You had him down as losing to both Kas and Beasty without winning a map and said he will drop to Code B soon.....you do realise he won IPL4 which was practically Code S but crammed onto one weekend right??
so you are saying losing to beasty&kas shameful?
"IPL4 which was practically Code S" NO.
you are right, IPL4 actually was harder than Code S.
No time to practice for upcoming opponents, basically all Code S players to play each other in one weekend.
Damn Squirtle 2nd place and now Code S finals against MVP.
You are just a aLive hater, admit it.
thats why aLive won IPL4.He had +3 hours rest meanwhile squirtle&co playing on losers bracket.Still a well deserved win.
im not saying he is bad or something like that, but he is pretty weak compared to other code S players.
good TvTer, okay TvPer, weak TvZer.
He could beat MVP in Code S finals, while Squirtle wont be able to prevend MVP from his 4th GSL title.
worlds best TvT with MMA, Top 2 TvP (recent wins MC, PartinG, Squirtle etc), TvZ not weak but weakness right now, still Code S average.
Btw Leenock is aLives arch rival, he already lost against him in Code S round of 8.
Why in the fuck is alive even in this conversation right now. It's still MVP, until another Terran can win 3 GSLs and get to 5 finals appearances, it'll always be MVP.
Why in the fuck is alive even in this conversation right now. It's still MVP, until another Terran can win 3 GSLs and get to 5 finals appearances, it'll always be MVP.
cause IPL4 was the hardest international tournament in history up to date.
no one said that MVP wasnt the most accomplished player, but you should also respect other people efforts.
edit. also MVP is more like a GSL Bonjwa. Pretty much the Opposite of MKP.
Why in the fuck is alive even in this conversation right now. It's still MVP, until another Terran can win 3 GSLs and get to 5 finals appearances, it'll always be MVP.
cause IPL4 was the hardest international tournament in history up to date.
no one said that MVP wasnt the most accomplished player, but you should also respect other people efforts.
"International" Unfortunately for him, losing in the GSL (and losing to the same Zerg that MVP beat I might add) in Code A doesn't support the "best Terran player in the world right now" argument. LOL I guess MLG, WCG, and Blizzcon don't count for "major" titles eh? Get real man...
Why in the fuck is alive even in this conversation right now. It's still MVP, until another Terran can win 3 GSLs and get to 5 finals appearances, it'll always be MVP.
cause IPL4 was the hardest international tournament in history up to date.
no one said that MVP wasnt the most accomplished player, but you should also respect other people efforts.
"International" Unfortunately for him, losing in the GSL (and losing to the same Zerg that MVP beat I might add) in Code A doesn't support the "best Terran player in the world right now" argument.
Well then, besides MVP, MMA and MKP.
Who else is more accomplished or better Terran than aLive?
Oh well, guess you would be more satisfied, having a poll only including 3 players then...
Lets remove all other Terrans from SC2 and only play MVP, MMA and MKP play matches all day, cause its cool to have 3 letter IDs.
The world of SC2 cant get more exciting than this ! ............
Why in the fuck is alive even in this conversation right now. It's still MVP, until another Terran can win 3 GSLs and get to 5 finals appearances, it'll always be MVP.
cause IPL4 was the hardest international tournament in history up to date.
no one said that MVP wasnt the most accomplished player, but you should also respect other people efforts.
"International" Unfortunately for him, losing in the GSL (and losing to the same Zerg that MVP beat I might add) in Code A doesn't support the "best Terran player in the world right now" argument.
Well then, besides MVP, MMA and MKP.
Who else is more accomplished or better Terran than aLive?
Oh well, guess you would be more satisfied, having a poll only including 3 players then...
What a boring SC2 world that must be.
Nobody besides those 3, and perhaps TaeJa (based purely on all the ESV Weeklies he's won against formidable competition and Ro8, but that's kind of a stretch). I wouldn't really mind actually, i just think it's hilarious that you would put a Code A player in the "best terran player in the world" poll. it doesn't add up logically lol. Now where did i say it was exciting? You're asking for the best Terran in the world right now, but it also happens that those are 3 of the more exciting players to watch.
Just skimming through whatever you people are yelling at eachother about and wanted to say if you don't have a fucking argument don't bring up a player's irrelevant past. Such a winning championships a year ago = best currently.
On May 16 2012 14:27 Hall0wed wrote: Just skimming through whatever you people are yelling at eachother about and wanted to say if you don't have a fucking argument don't bring up a player's irrelevant past. Such a winning championships a year ago = best currently.
kk thanks continue your pointless yelling
OMG losing to Code A opponent that another Terran beat = BEST TERRAN PLAYER IN THE WORLD compared to getting to the grand finals of another GSL...yeah who's the best currently?
Why in the fuck is alive even in this conversation right now. It's still MVP, until another Terran can win 3 GSLs and get to 5 finals appearances, it'll always be MVP.
cause IPL4 was the hardest international tournament in history up to date.
no one said that MVP wasnt the most accomplished player, but you should also respect other people efforts.
"International" Unfortunately for him, losing in the GSL (and losing to the same Zerg that MVP beat I might add) in Code A doesn't support the "best Terran player in the world right now" argument.
Well then, besides MVP, MMA and MKP.
Who else is more accomplished or better Terran than aLive?
Oh well, guess you would be more satisfied, having a poll only including 3 players then...
What a boring SC2 world that must be.
Nobody besides those 3, and perhaps TaeJa (based purely on all the ESV Weeklies he's won against formidable competition and Ro8, but that's kind of a stretch). I wouldn't really mind actually, i just think it's hilarious that you would put a Code A player in the "best terran player in the world" poll. it doesn't add up logically lol. Now where did i say it was exciting? You're asking for the best Terran in the world right now, but it also happens that those are 3 of the more exciting players to watch.
Yo, wait a minute.
aLive got Code S round of 8 pretty much any other season, including a Top 4 finish.
Never dropped to Code A until recently, and then having great luck by meeting his arch rival Leenock. Lets wait for the Up and Down matches until you clasify him as "Code A Terran"
Because thats not gonna happen.
And TaeJas weekly ESV arent up on par with a IPL4 title. Sorry to destroy your Liquid fanboyism.
Why in the fuck is alive even in this conversation right now. It's still MVP, until another Terran can win 3 GSLs and get to 5 finals appearances, it'll always be MVP.
cause IPL4 was the hardest international tournament in history up to date.
no one said that MVP wasnt the most accomplished player, but you should also respect other people efforts.
"International" Unfortunately for him, losing in the GSL (and losing to the same Zerg that MVP beat I might add) in Code A doesn't support the "best Terran player in the world right now" argument.
Well then, besides MVP, MMA and MKP.
Who else is more accomplished or better Terran than aLive?
Oh well, guess you would be more satisfied, having a poll only including 3 players then...
What a boring SC2 world that must be.
Nobody besides those 3, and perhaps TaeJa (based purely on all the ESV Weeklies he's won against formidable competition and Ro8, but that's kind of a stretch). I wouldn't really mind actually, i just think it's hilarious that you would put a Code A player in the "best terran player in the world" poll. it doesn't add up logically lol. Now where did i say it was exciting? You're asking for the best Terran in the world right now, but it also happens that those are 3 of the more exciting players to watch.
Yo, wait a minute.
aLive got Code S round of 8 pretty much any other season, including a Top 4 finish.
Never dropped to Code A until recently, and then having great luck by meeting his arch rival Leenock. Lets wait for the Up and Down matches until you clasify him as "Code A Terran"
Because thats not gonna happen.
And TaeJas weekly ESV arent up on par with a IPL4 title. Sorry to destroy your Liquid fanboyism.
Excuse me I'm an MMA fan, look up some of my previous posts before throwing that in LOL Liquid fanboyism...SMH You asked for "currently" didn't you? Now, who sent Leenock down into Code A? MVP. Who went through the best PvTer out there currently to get to another grand finals? MVP. Who did Alive lose to in Code A? Leenock. I don't even have to mention (but i will) Alive's losses vs July and Zenio, and how MVP went through July too. I rest my case, you can PM me if you want further debate in the morning since I don't like spamming other people like this.
nyahhh mkp #1 seriously, the is the dude who trades series with drg, where drg is the best zerg, with the best zvt, and mkp saying that tvz is his worst matchup yo. what does that tell you? mkp herpderp does make me very sad on certain days though
On May 16 2012 14:36 opterown wrote: nyahhh mkp #1 seriously, the is the dude who trades series with drg, where drg is the best zerg, with the best zvt, and mkp saying that tvz is his worst matchup yo. what does that tell you? mkp herpderp does make me very sad on certain days though
TvZ isnt his worst MU, its TvT
MMA, MVP and aLive all have better recent results than him in TvT
I actually think MKP has the 2nd strongest TvZ, Top 2 or 3 TvP as well. TvT is Top 5 tho, TaeJa is up with him there.
On May 16 2012 14:36 opterown wrote: nyahhh mkp #1 seriously, the is the dude who trades series with drg, where drg is the best zerg, with the best zvt, and mkp saying that tvz is his worst matchup yo. what does that tell you? mkp herpderp does make me very sad on certain days though
TvZ isnt his worst MU, its TvT
MMA, MVP and aLive all have better recent results than him in TvT
I actually think MKP has the 2nd strongest TvZ, Top 2 or 3 TvP as well. TvT is Top 5 tho, TaeJa is up with him there.
he says himself that tvz is his worst matchup. i'd trust that
i agree that mkp top 2 tvz, but hey... it's his worst matchup. top1 tvt and top1 tvp
On May 16 2012 14:36 opterown wrote: nyahhh mkp #1 seriously, the is the dude who trades series with drg, where drg is the best zerg, with the best zvt, and mkp saying that tvz is his worst matchup yo. what does that tell you? mkp herpderp does make me very sad on certain days though
TvZ isnt his worst MU, its TvT
MMA, MVP and aLive all have better recent results than him in TvT
I actually think MKP has the 2nd strongest TvZ, Top 2 or 3 TvP as well. TvT is Top 5 tho, TaeJa is up with him there.
he says himself that tvz is his worst matchup. i'd trust that
i agree that mkp top 2 tvz, but hey... it's his worst matchup. top1 tvt and top1 tvp
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