EPTBig win incoming for him.
...Anyways, nothing to lose for Scarlett, just do your best thats all.
Scarlett vs EmpireKas Showmatch - Page 9
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zanga
659 Posts
Big win incoming for him. ...Anyways, nothing to lose for Scarlett, just do your best thats all. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On May 14 2012 22:30 figq wrote: That's gonna be a great match, I think! Stuff like this incoming: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/k2tWT.jpg) kas is a bulldozer, he will never allow that if he's playing serious. GL to Scarlett, she will need some. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On May 14 2012 22:26 MentalGNT wrote: You make it sound like Kas beating a Korean is attributable to luck. There are many professional foreign players who have basically never beaten a Korean player before. Besides, Kas' record vs. Koreans is not "way, way, way under 50 %" Looking at his TLPD you will find that he has a pretty decent record against many Koreans, among: MKP 2-0 in favor of Kas (in an offline setting too, WCG) Zenio 5-4 in favor of Kas Lucky 2-1 in favor of Kas Puma 1-4 in favor of Puma Gumiho 1-2 in favor of Gumiho 3-0 Nada in favor of Kas As you can see, his record against good Koreans is quite respectable. I wouldn't say he is a favorite against Code S/A Koreans, but he can certainly put up a fight against even the best. Most foreigners have beaten a Korean player. I'd say well over half of the 'known' foreigners who regularly attend LAN's have beaten a decent Korean on LAN. Kas's wins obviously weren't luck, but his record is (included only LAN events): vs Supernova 1-2 LOSS vs Puma 1-2 LOSS vs Zenio 3-2 WIN vs Zenio 2-0 WIN vs MVP 0-2 LOSS vs MKP 2-0 WIN vs MC 0-2 LOSS vs MC 0-4 LOSS So 3 wins, 5 losses. 9 maps won, 14 maps lost. Overall win rate of 38% on LAN. Which is well short of 50% and really not impressive. I'll admit though that this is a small sample size, so small that Zenio is a massive increase of his win rate (who is awful vs Terran) and MC massively increases his losses. So if we use the more unreliable results of online tournaments we get. vs Hyun 1-3 LOSS vs Zenio 0-2 LOSS vs Select 0-3 LOSS vs Squirtle 3-2 WIN vs Gumiho 1-2 LOSS vs Lucky 2-1 WIN vs Jjakji 0-3 LOSS vs Supernova 1-2 LOSS vs Real 0-2 LOSS vs Heart 0-2 LOSS vs ASD 1-0 WIN vs Puma 1-2 LOSS vs Inori 2-0 WIN vs Creator 0-1 LOSS vs Zenio 3-2 WIN vs Zenio 2-0 WIN That's his 2012 results against Korean players. (apologies if I made a mistake and missed a game). Which means he's won 15 maps and lost 27 maps. Giving him a win rate of 36% vs Koreans in 2012. Which I think most people would agree isn't good and is well shy of the 50% mark, just like I said. So as I originally stated Kas is clearly a guy who is capable of beating Koreans some of the time, but he loses to them far more than he wins. So bragging about his wins over Koreans is really, really weird when actually he has a weak record overall. Anyone can cherry pick a result and pretend it makes a player consistent vs top players or likely to beat them (Goody vs Nestea, Idra vs Bomber), but it doesn't mean much if most of your other results vs Korean are losses. | ||
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eXeHephaistas
Netherlands144 Posts
Don't think the 'girl' has a chance against top foreign terran in a bo9 | ||
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BioNova
United States598 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:33 eXeHephaistas wrote: 5-0 or 5-1 for Kas. Don't think the girl has a chance against top foreign terran in a bo9 Fixed. You had a couple of extra ' '. Would hate to see you get red on your face for such a obvious diss. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
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SoulReaver306
Australia210 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:33 KalWarkov wrote: how is 38% on LAN against Code S / Code A level players only not impressive?? oO It is impressive for a foreign player, however many people cherry pick his victories against MKP and such, concluding that he is a Code A or even S caliber player. I doubt anyone is actually saying that Kas is not a great player. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On May 14 2012 23:33 KalWarkov wrote: how is 38% on LAN against Code S / Code A level players only not impressive?? oO Because most of his map wins were against Zenio in TvZ and because it's around the same record as TheBest, Maka and other players most people consider terrible. | ||
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brokenLoL
United Kingdom419 Posts
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NexUmbra
Scotland3776 Posts
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix. Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so. | ||
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Aeroplaneoverthesea
United Kingdom1977 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix. Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so. Didn't they just regame and she won 2 legit games in a row vs Demuslim? | ||
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Slardar
Canada7593 Posts
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Vralaren
Sweden130 Posts
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SoulReaver306
Australia210 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix. Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so. She also beat Zenex Avenge in one of the IPL TL qualifiers. No one is saying that she is the next bonjwa. Kas fans just seem taken aback that Scarlett fans want her to win... | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
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Razzor
Brazil54 Posts
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Vildhjarta
Sweden126 Posts
well in my book if you're born male that's what you are. but this is not the time or the place I'm sure.. User was warned for this post | ||
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ETisME
12521 Posts
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Chytilova
United States790 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix. Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so. First DeMuslim regamed. She won two straight up games against him. Second zero people have called her the next zerg bonjwa, you just set up a straw man. Lastly there aren't that many great NA zergs, I think you would even admit she is at least top 5 NA zerg and someone arguing that she is top 3 isn't much of a stretch. Hyping her as the best NA zerg isn't that crazy until further notice IMO. | ||
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Kluey
Canada1197 Posts
On May 15 2012 00:01 NexUmbra wrote: Kas will roll her... I think there is far too much hype around Scarlett. Here is what has done at LANs.
I won't comment on her games with Phoenix as I never actually seen those games and I personally do not know much about Phoenix. Overall she is doing ok yeah but she is certainly not going to become the next zerg bonjwa like some people here seem to think. Best NA zerg? I do not think so. Oz played garbage in that one game. Beating DeMusliM is pretty nice but it wasn't all that sick. Scarlett has hype because she's a good female player and because she's transgender. Her skill performance was far less than Quantic.Illusion who's like 16 years old and beat Code S players in their best match-up but he barely got noticed. | ||
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