guys if you are going to start at 9:15 or 9:30, just say that. The master cup is almost always consistently pretty late. Im not upset but it is kind of obnoxious.

kerpal

United Kingdom2695 Posts

May 08 2012 01:22 GMT

#45

year of liquid! here we go. (don't expect balanced posting from me!)

gl my friends. jinro, really rooting for you.

Equity213

Canada873 Posts

May 08 2012 01:27 GMT

#46

Jinro 2-1 Cloud
Zenio 2-0 Darkforce
Sheth 2-0 Delphi
Taeja 2-1 Socke

kerpal

United Kingdom2695 Posts

May 08 2012 01:29 GMT

#47

nice micro by jinro, gets alot of marines.

Champloo

Germany1850 Posts

May 08 2012 01:31 GMT

#48

The things Incontrol just praises (TL holding on to players like Jinro and Nony) is in my opinion the exactly wrong thing and is why Americans think the gap between koreans and foreigners is larger than it actually is.

EG, TL and Complexity (the 3 teams with the most attention in NA) hold on to all their mediocre/bad foreigners (Jinro, Nony, Haypro, TLO, Machine, Incontrol, Lzgamer) and their only new recruits are Koreans. There is not a single TOP foreigner (besides maybe Ret and Demuslim) on these teams and I can't remember the last foreigner they signed.

Walnuts

United States770 Posts

May 08 2012 01:38 GMT

#49

On May 08 2012 10:31 Champloo wrote:
The things Incontrol just praises (TL holding on to players like Jinro and Nony) is in my opinion the exactly wrong thing and is why Americans think the gap between koreans and foreigners is larger than it actually is.

EG, TL and Complexity (the 3 teams with the most attention in NA) hold on to all their mediocre/bad foreigners (Jinro, Nony, Haypro, TLO, Machine, Incontrol, Lzgamer) and their only new recruits are Koreans. There is not a single TOP foreigner (besides maybe Ret and Demuslim) on these teams and I can't remember the last foreigner they signed.

I guess... but Jinro hasn't been playing in anything outside of Korea, TLO has incredible ZvT, and Incontrol is as much as a personality as a player. As for the others you mentioned, all right. Perhaps, however, teams like to have full practice rosters so their teams can be diverse. Having 10 MMA's might make you the best team ever, but they would all always wind up playing against each other in major tournaments.

m3rciless

United States1476 Posts

May 08 2012 01:44 GMT

#50

Jinro no air upgrades lol. What is he doing?

edit: he just forgot them, pretty bad play.

edit2: thank god he had a plan the whole time, mass thor to mitigate air disadvantage while still having a strong force and push through clouds weak siege line to win.

Badfatpanda

United States9719 Posts

May 08 2012 01:46 GMT

#51

He really needs more BCs against that amount of Thors, Jinro just keeps picking off the BCs because ClouD engages with 3 or so at a time. I feel like Jinro is actually using his supply more effectively atm.

Bagration

United States18282 Posts

May 08 2012 01:46 GMT

#52

I think Haypro and TLO actually have potential to become very strong foreigners, and they have shown great play, but are both very, very inconsistent. Jinro unfortunately isn't performing well now, but he is still the most successful foreigner in SC2, and it is hard to give up a player like that.

Seriously though, if you want to see where the next "generation" of foreign talent, look at EU. There are many more high level players in Europe and some, like Feast or Snute, are just waiting to have a breakout run. It'sGosu and the former Vile team also had some very promising talent coming up from NA, though I feel NA lags behind EU in terms of quantity of high-level players. They just need that chance to get publicity and recognition.