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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
April 09 2012 20:43 GMT
#81
Oh Leenock, Maka rax is pretty popular on this map...
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
eXeHephaistas
Profile Joined March 2012
Netherlands144 Posts
April 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#82
that was not a salvage.. burned down
Cokefreak
Profile Joined June 2011
Finland8095 Posts
April 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#83
Oh please give us a macro game between aLive and Leenock T_T
AwfulPlayer
Profile Joined August 2010
249 Posts
April 09 2012 20:46 GMT
#84
hasuobs mindgame didnt work out as expected, but people seem to prefer drama

for those who do, i'd like to quote nerchio:
On April 10 2012 05:38 Nerchio wrote:
I agree with you guys that 2 proxy gates is pretty silly but will work against hatchery first... but the second build if not scouted with drone actually crushes usual no gas play from zergs( he had like 6 stalkers vs my lings before speed even if i took gas quite early ) and if he microed better i feel like he could do something in 2nd game, at least i felt that i could lose it :D

Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
April 09 2012 20:47 GMT
#85
Lordy I am not fond of aLive in the slightest.
Thezzphai
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1145 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 20:48:47
April 09 2012 20:47 GMT
#86
Can't remember seeing Leenock lose to a 2rax
Getting a 17 pool and mining 200 gas didn't exactly help either...
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 20:50:07
April 09 2012 20:48 GMT
#87
On April 10 2012 05:38 Nerchio wrote:
I agree with you guys that 2 proxy gates is pretty silly but will work against hatchery first... but the second build if not scouted with drone actually crushes usual no gas play from zergs( he had like 6 stalkers vs my lings before speed even if i took gas quite early ) and if he microed better i feel like he could do something in 2nd game, at least i felt that i could lose it :D

thx for commenting! I'd really like a statement by Hasu aswell. I like when casters speak their mind and say things as they are but that really felt like overreacting. A lot of people are gonna believe Apollo (and usually you're right doing so) and hate on Hasu, that could actually hurt his career and especially after what Nerchio said, I'm not convinced at all that he was throwing those games. Maybe it's because I'm a fan of Hasu, but I think it's even more so because of what I know about his personality and mindset. Throwing games just doesn't fit the picture.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
April 09 2012 20:49 GMT
#88
On April 10 2012 05:42 Flyingcookie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 05:41 Wanna_be wrote:
I lost a lot of respect, but for dApollo and TotalBisquit, they're just speculating and they are creating a bad reputation for HasuObs.
I think most people wouldn't even care about this if they didn't make such a fuss about it.
They should realize their responsibility as well known casters.
Some people will just adopt their opinion without thinking about it, which could be very bad for HasuObs.

I just can't believe dApollo and TotalBisquit are making such a drama out of nothing, I'm really disappointed.


agreed

They didn't make nay drama.... they said what was on most peoples minds. Not once did they say it was for sure him throwing games, Merely stated that judging by the crappy choice of builds and lack of effort that it looks like it was a possibility. Which it is.
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abalam
Profile Joined October 2011
Switzerland316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 20:51:47
April 09 2012 20:50 GMT
#89
Alive not making a lot of fans here and at IPL I presume. valid strategy nonetheless, it just feels ... disappointing to watch.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 09 2012 20:52 GMT
#90
On April 10 2012 05:47 Asha` wrote:
Lordy I am not fond of aLive in the slightest.

Why do you hate robots?
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 20:53:25
April 09 2012 20:52 GMT
#91
On April 10 2012 05:49 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
They didn't make nay drama.... they said what was on most peoples minds. Not once did they say it was for sure him throwing games, Merely stated that judging by the crappy choice of builds and lack of effort that it looks like it was a possibility. Which it is.


Quite. Only here could we get blamed for questionable play. If you don't want to have the possibility of throwing games brought up then play properly.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 09 2012 20:54 GMT
#92
aLive so cool.
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Wanna_be
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany11 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 20:56:27
April 09 2012 20:55 GMT
#93
On April 10 2012 05:49 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 05:42 Flyingcookie wrote:
On April 10 2012 05:41 Wanna_be wrote:
I lost a lot of respect, but for dApollo and TotalBisquit, they're just speculating and they are creating a bad reputation for HasuObs.
I think most people wouldn't even care about this if they didn't make such a fuss about it.
They should realize their responsibility as well known casters.
Some people will just adopt their opinion without thinking about it, which could be very bad for HasuObs.

I just can't believe dApollo and TotalBisquit are making such a drama out of nothing, I'm really disappointed.


agreed

They didn't make nay drama.... they said what was on most peoples minds. Not once did they say it was for sure him throwing games, Merely stated that judging by the crappy choice of builds and lack of effort that it looks like it was a possibility. Which it is.


They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that.
Arc1
Profile Joined December 2010
Poland849 Posts
April 09 2012 20:56 GMT
#94
Maybe aLive also sabotaged Leenocks ramen?
Nothing to add.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 09 2012 20:57 GMT
#95
On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that.


Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that?
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
April 09 2012 21:00 GMT
#96
On April 10 2012 05:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that.


Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that?


Well, why didn't you say in the broadcast of Group C that it is possible that Stephano threw his games against MMA on purpose, because he knew he had no chance to advance?
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
April 09 2012 21:02 GMT
#97
On April 10 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:

Well, why didn't you say in the broadcast of Group C that it is possible that Stephano threw his games against MMA on purpose, because he knew he had no chance to advance?


Because I knew for a fact that was false.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Wanna_be
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany11 Posts
April 09 2012 21:08 GMT
#98
On April 10 2012 05:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that.


Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that?


No, I don't.
I understand that as a comentator, everything you say is weighted.
My problem was not that you said that he might be throwing games, but that you kept going on about something which was not clear(at least in my opinion).
You have to be spontaneous as a commentator, but you also have a responsibility, because you can easily destroy the reputation of a player(and I'm not saying you wanted to, as I don't think did).

So in short my problem was that it was too much and you were jumping on conclusions for quite some time(again, my opinion).
I just wanted to give feedback and in the heat of the moment, I exaggerated, but I think the my main point is still valid.


Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-09 21:20:26
April 09 2012 21:08 GMT
#99
I'm 100% behind TotalBiscuit and dApollo on this. This is concerning and it deserved to be addressed - it was. We'll see if there are any fallouts from this (probably none at all - which is perfectly fine), but TB and Apollo did their job.

Honestly I don't want to speculate too much. Hopefully Hasu explains himself. Maybe he was sick, maybe he was not on his normal setup.
Bromazepam
Profile Joined August 2011
820 Posts
April 09 2012 21:13 GMT
#100
On April 10 2012 06:00 Serinox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 10 2012 05:57 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On April 10 2012 05:55 Wanna_be wrote:
They kept going on about how the admins have to decide how to act with players who throw games, that's as good as saying he threw the games.
I'm sorry, but they were going on about it for some minutes, I can't just overhear that.


Because if we'd just ignored it we'd have got called out for not addressing the concerns. Damned if we do, damned if we don't. We did NOT at any point say he DID throw the games, we said "if" and "might". The possibility is there. You suggesting we just ignore that?


Well, why didn't you say in the broadcast of Group C that it is possible that Stephano threw his games against MMA on purpose, because he knew he had no chance to advance?


I assume you mean against Jjakji, since he straight out forfeited against MMA?
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