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This is not the place to talk about LoL viewership.
This is also not a place to caster bash/balance whine/flame, etc.
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On April 07 2012 16:26 Faranth wrote:
These results are depressing.
The only foreigners remaining are those who were invited straight into pools. Of them, two are already virtually guaranteed to be knocked out on the second day. I realize that this is the most stacked bracket yet to be seen, but the chance of foreigners remaining competitive into the future seemingly dims, especially with the impending BW switch, should those players integrate with the current scene in any capacity...
Hah, nevermind the fact that not a single Liquid member made it... blah.
Realistically what else is to be expected?
It's already well known that there are only a very small handful of foreigners that can compete with top level Koreans and the pools in this tournament are STACKED with Code S GSL players.
Stephano still has a shot though, both JYP and Curious are players I can realistically see him taking a series from.
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On April 07 2012 16:33 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:31 tdt wrote:On April 07 2012 16:26 Hall0wed wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Fragile51 wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Hall0wed wrote:On April 07 2012 16:21 Poopi wrote:
What happened to Byun? Is he badly jetlagged? How can he lose to Squirtle t.t.
Prime players are doing poorly in the open bracket, it worries me so much because MKP will have to carry his team if Byun/Maru/Creator play worse than usual.
Sad for ToD hoped he could beat July :/ Squirtle is the #1 Protoss in the world so not really surprising. ^_^ Lol, now that's just overdoing it a tad :p Okok I don't actually think there is a #1 Protoss right now but I have hope... Squirtle is top 5 though with no clear order within that 5. lolz you cant be serious. MC is not only most winningst of all time he is last 4 months too. Fighters make fights just so happens Polt has his number I'd put him against any other terran or zerg as a favorite. Protoss who knows. Against MarineKing? Highly doubt he's favoured there lol.
Yeah I like them both a lot. My sig has not changed in a year and they trade pretty well since forever. I just feel it's MC's turn should they face.
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On April 07 2012 16:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:25 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Ancient-Hunter wrote:
Neither JYP or Curious is Terran, Stephanos best match up.
Look for an all Korean championship tourny MKP is also happy JYP and Curious aren't Terran :D I think MKP's TvT is underestimated by some. The common view is that its poor because of what MVP and MMA have done to him in the past, but the most recent TvT MKP has played at Code S level was round one in S1 where he beat Happy and aLive (who was red hot in that matchup) comfortably. I'm not saying its as red hot at his other 2 matchups, but I'd wager he'd be close to best TvT in the world.
It's not because he got stomped by Mvp, most terrans in the past have, but there was a long stretch where his tvt was just horrible, gimmicky and he lost so many tvts during that time. He's really improved it now though, it's very solid for sure.
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On April 07 2012 16:36 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:25 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Ancient-Hunter wrote:
Neither JYP or Curious is Terran, Stephanos best match up.
Look for an all Korean championship tourny MKP is also happy JYP and Curious aren't Terran :D I think MKP's TvT is underestimated by some. The common view is that its poor because of what MVP and MMA have done to him in the past, but the most recent TvT MKP has played at Code S level was round one in S1 where he beat Happy and aLive (who was red hot in that matchup) comfortably. I'm not saying its as red hot at his other 2 matchups, but I'd wager he'd be close to best TvT in the world. Very true, except the MMA part, they have a pretty even record, it's only MVP that dominated MKP in TvT.
You're probably right. I seem to remember a few TvT's in which MMA made MKP look pretty average, but over the long haul even is probably about right.
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On April 07 2012 16:37 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:26 Faranth wrote:
These results are depressing.
The only foreigners remaining are those who were invited straight into pools. Of them, two are already virtually guaranteed to be knocked out on the second day. I realize that this is the most stacked bracket yet to be seen, but the chance of foreigners remaining competitive into the future seemingly dims, especially with the impending BW switch, should those players integrate with the current scene in any capacity...
Hah, nevermind the fact that not a single Liquid member made it... blah. Realistically what else is to be expected? It's already well known that there are only a very small handful of foreigners that can compete with top level Koreans and the pools in this tournament are STACKED with Code S GSL players. Stephano still has a shot though, both JYP and Curious are players I can realistically see him taking a series from.
Yeah I can see MKP/Stephano getting out of the group as #1 and #2. But I can also see MKP/Curious.
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On April 07 2012 16:34 Lunares wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:26 valaki wrote:
Haha just saw the results. And yesterday there was a topic that if the gap between koreans and foreigners shirnked. Admittedly look at the brackets though. You had plenty of great koreans being beat by foreigners. You had Scarlett take down TeriousPrime, plus take a game off of Oz and play a close series that she had a chance of winning. A no name person without a team who is a ladder person did this. Illusion beat Zenio, Ryung and Oz. Huk beat Ryung, and Virus. Sase beat golden, Heart, almost beat parting. They show that the foreigners can at least compete. As more and more koreans go to foreign teams, the foreign teams get to train with them and get better. It takes a long time to make those kind of improvements, like a year. But I at least have some hope for foreigners in the future of SC2. American players on the other hand....that might take a miracle. Being from the US I really want more players to root for than Idra.
Heart is Korean, just btw.
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On April 07 2012 16:38 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:36 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:25 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Ancient-Hunter wrote:
Neither JYP or Curious is Terran, Stephanos best match up.
Look for an all Korean championship tourny MKP is also happy JYP and Curious aren't Terran :D I think MKP's TvT is underestimated by some. The common view is that its poor because of what MVP and MMA have done to him in the past, but the most recent TvT MKP has played at Code S level was round one in S1 where he beat Happy and aLive (who was red hot in that matchup) comfortably. I'm not saying its as red hot at his other 2 matchups, but I'd wager he'd be close to best TvT in the world. Very true, except the MMA part, they have a pretty even record, it's only MVP that dominated MKP in TvT. You're probably right. I seem to remember a few TvT's in which MMA made MKP look pretty average, but over the long haul even is probably about right.
MKP 2-1 MMA in Up and Downs, MMA 3-2 MKP in Super Tourney, and MKP 3-0 MMA in Arena of Legends ^^
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Group D makes my heart hurt. Can't believe its between Bomber/MMA/Jjakji/Byun 
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I don't know of people just don't remember but there was indeed a big stretch when MKP absolutely sucked at TvT. Thats when he fell really hard out of Code S.(Coincidentally it was the time of hardcore GomTvT)
During the 1st seasons he indeed had a good enough TvT but he started to suck a lot on TvT.
Now he is pretty solid in all MUs.
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On April 07 2012 16:38 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:33 AxionSteel wrote:On April 07 2012 16:31 tdt wrote:On April 07 2012 16:26 Hall0wed wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Fragile51 wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Hall0wed wrote:On April 07 2012 16:21 Poopi wrote:
What happened to Byun? Is he badly jetlagged? How can he lose to Squirtle t.t.
Prime players are doing poorly in the open bracket, it worries me so much because MKP will have to carry his team if Byun/Maru/Creator play worse than usual.
Sad for ToD hoped he could beat July :/ Squirtle is the #1 Protoss in the world so not really surprising. ^_^ Lol, now that's just overdoing it a tad :p Okok I don't actually think there is a #1 Protoss right now but I have hope... Squirtle is top 5 though with no clear order within that 5. lolz you cant be serious. MC is not only most winningst of all time he is last 4 months too. Fighters make fights just so happens Polt has his number I'd put him against any other terran or zerg as a favorite. Protoss who knows. Against MarineKing? Highly doubt he's favoured there lol. Yeah I like them both a lot. My sig has not changed in a year and they trade pretty well since forever. I just feel it's MC's turn should they face.
I'm a big MC fan too, but I think it'd be a big ask. I'm not saying MC isn't capable, but MKP's TvP is just... wow.
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On April 07 2012 16:39 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:38 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:36 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:25 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Ancient-Hunter wrote:
Neither JYP or Curious is Terran, Stephanos best match up.
Look for an all Korean championship tourny MKP is also happy JYP and Curious aren't Terran :D I think MKP's TvT is underestimated by some. The common view is that its poor because of what MVP and MMA have done to him in the past, but the most recent TvT MKP has played at Code S level was round one in S1 where he beat Happy and aLive (who was red hot in that matchup) comfortably. I'm not saying its as red hot at his other 2 matchups, but I'd wager he'd be close to best TvT in the world. Very true, except the MMA part, they have a pretty even record, it's only MVP that dominated MKP in TvT. You're probably right. I seem to remember a few TvT's in which MMA made MKP look pretty average, but over the long haul even is probably about right. MKP 2-1 MMA in Up and Downs, MMA 3-2 MKP in Super Tourney, and MKP 3-0 MMA in Arena of Legends ^^
I remember watching the Super Tournament series, that was heart breaking ;_;
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On April 07 2012 16:39 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:34 Lunares wrote:On April 07 2012 16:26 valaki wrote:
Haha just saw the results. And yesterday there was a topic that if the gap between koreans and foreigners shirnked. Admittedly look at the brackets though. You had plenty of great koreans being beat by foreigners. You had Scarlett take down TeriousPrime, plus take a game off of Oz and play a close series that she had a chance of winning. A no name person without a team who is a ladder person did this. Illusion beat Zenio, Ryung and Oz. Huk beat Ryung, and Virus. Sase beat golden, Heart, almost beat parting. They show that the foreigners can at least compete. As more and more koreans go to foreign teams, the foreign teams get to train with them and get better. It takes a long time to make those kind of improvements, like a year. But I at least have some hope for foreigners in the future of SC2. American players on the other hand....that might take a miracle. Being from the US I really want more players to root for than Idra. Heart is Korean, just btw.
I believe he knows that, which is why he he brought up Sase taking him out, foreigner vs Korean
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On April 07 2012 16:43 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:39 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:38 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:36 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:25 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Ancient-Hunter wrote:
Neither JYP or Curious is Terran, Stephanos best match up.
Look for an all Korean championship tourny MKP is also happy JYP and Curious aren't Terran :D I think MKP's TvT is underestimated by some. The common view is that its poor because of what MVP and MMA have done to him in the past, but the most recent TvT MKP has played at Code S level was round one in S1 where he beat Happy and aLive (who was red hot in that matchup) comfortably. I'm not saying its as red hot at his other 2 matchups, but I'd wager he'd be close to best TvT in the world. Very true, except the MMA part, they have a pretty even record, it's only MVP that dominated MKP in TvT. You're probably right. I seem to remember a few TvT's in which MMA made MKP look pretty average, but over the long haul even is probably about right. MKP 2-1 MMA in Up and Downs, MMA 3-2 MKP in Super Tourney, and MKP 3-0 MMA in Arena of Legends ^^ I remember watching the Super Tournament series, that was heart breaking ;_;
Yup, that was the old, choking MKP, but MKP is different now 
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On April 07 2012 16:40 Baffels wrote:Group D makes my heart hurt. Can't believe its between Bomber/MMA/Jjakji/Byun
Look on the bright side, at least we know that two of them will DEFINITELY advance to the championship bracket with a high seed.
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On April 07 2012 16:31 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:26 Hall0wed wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Fragile51 wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Hall0wed wrote:On April 07 2012 16:21 Poopi wrote:
What happened to Byun? Is he badly jetlagged? How can he lose to Squirtle t.t.
Prime players are doing poorly in the open bracket, it worries me so much because MKP will have to carry his team if Byun/Maru/Creator play worse than usual.
Sad for ToD hoped he could beat July :/ Squirtle is the #1 Protoss in the world so not really surprising. ^_^ Lol, now that's just overdoing it a tad :p Okok I don't actually think there is a #1 Protoss right now but I have hope... Squirtle is top 5 though with no clear order within that 5. lolz you cant be serious. MC is not only most winningst of all time he is last 4 months too. Fighters make fights just so happens Polt has his number I'd put him against any other terran or zerg as a favorite. Protoss who knows.
1. 4 months ago doesn't matter
2. Thats why MC owned Polt at MLG
3. Thats why MC lost to Thorzain and Ganzi at MLG
MC is good but anyone who claims that he is the best Protoss is just a fool. Sometimes he is made to look invincible while other times he breaks in 2. There is no best at the moment.
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can someone please link me the vods?
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On April 07 2012 16:44 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:39 Vindicare605 wrote:On April 07 2012 16:34 Lunares wrote:On April 07 2012 16:26 valaki wrote:
Haha just saw the results. And yesterday there was a topic that if the gap between koreans and foreigners shirnked. Admittedly look at the brackets though. You had plenty of great koreans being beat by foreigners. You had Scarlett take down TeriousPrime, plus take a game off of Oz and play a close series that she had a chance of winning. A no name person without a team who is a ladder person did this. Illusion beat Zenio, Ryung and Oz. Huk beat Ryung, and Virus. Sase beat golden, Heart, almost beat parting. They show that the foreigners can at least compete. As more and more koreans go to foreign teams, the foreign teams get to train with them and get better. It takes a long time to make those kind of improvements, like a year. But I at least have some hope for foreigners in the future of SC2. American players on the other hand....that might take a miracle. Being from the US I really want more players to root for than Idra. Heart is Korean, just btw. I believe he knows that, which is why he he brought up Sase taking him out, foreigner vs Korean
Oh i read that wrong. I thought he was saying Heart almost beat Parting as if that was another example of a foreigner overcoming a Korean. Obviously I need to double check the bracket results.
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On April 07 2012 16:44 vndods wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 16:43 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:39 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:38 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:36 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:34 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:On April 07 2012 16:25 vndods wrote:On April 07 2012 16:24 Ancient-Hunter wrote:
Neither JYP or Curious is Terran, Stephanos best match up.
Look for an all Korean championship tourny MKP is also happy JYP and Curious aren't Terran :D I think MKP's TvT is underestimated by some. The common view is that its poor because of what MVP and MMA have done to him in the past, but the most recent TvT MKP has played at Code S level was round one in S1 where he beat Happy and aLive (who was red hot in that matchup) comfortably. I'm not saying its as red hot at his other 2 matchups, but I'd wager he'd be close to best TvT in the world. Very true, except the MMA part, they have a pretty even record, it's only MVP that dominated MKP in TvT. You're probably right. I seem to remember a few TvT's in which MMA made MKP look pretty average, but over the long haul even is probably about right. MKP 2-1 MMA in Up and Downs, MMA 3-2 MKP in Super Tourney, and MKP 3-0 MMA in Arena of Legends ^^ I remember watching the Super Tournament series, that was heart breaking ;_; Yup, that was the old, choking MKP, but MKP is different now
MKP went to see Eldar Kai and had his hidden powers unleashed.
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On April 07 2012 16:41 windsupernova wrote:
I don't know of people just don't remember but there was indeed a big stretch when MKP absolutely sucked at TvT. Thats when he fell really hard out of Code S.(Coincidentally it was the time of hardcore GomTvT)
During the 1st seasons he indeed had a good enough TvT but he started to suck a lot on TvT.
Now he is pretty solid in all MUs.
He was bad at mech. It was the era when mech was imba in tvt allowing players such as TOP to reach the final lol.
MarineKing worst TvT condition was in the Up&Down in which he lost to every terran.
Anyways MKP is the hottest TvT player right now but TvT results are so random these days :/
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On April 07 2012 16:40 Baffels wrote:Group D makes my heart hurt. Can't believe its between Bomber/MMA/Jjakji/Byun
and idra
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