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IGN Pro League is thrilled to be able to bring you another unique StarCraft II tournament! This one is called Tournament of Champions, and is a 16-man, double elimination tournament for a $12,000 prize pool! Each team from the IPL Team Arena Challenge was asked to pick one player from their roster to represent them in this global tournament, that will span the month of March. The WINNER of the Tournament of Champions will receive a spot in our live, open qualifier at IPL4 at the Cosmopolitan of Las Vegas, Official Home of the IPL as well as an all expenses paid flight and hotel stay for the event!
The time has come for our first Winners Round 1 match of the IGN Pro League Tournament of Champions!
When: Wednesday, Mar 14 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Wednesday, Mar 14 5:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Format
This double-elimination tournament features 16 players from around the world and is an best of 5 format. This match is being played for Winners Round 1. The winning player will move on in the Winners Bracket, and the loser will drop into the Losers Bracket. Keep in mind that the top 8 spots receive prize money!
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/222.jpg)   Liquid`HerO vs  Artist ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2744.jpg) Poll: Who Will Win?!Liquid`HerO (120) 89% Artist (15) 11% 135 total votes Your vote: Who Will Win?! (Vote): Liquid`HerO
(Vote): Artist
Results+ Show Spoiler [HerO vs Artist] +HerO < Atlantis Spaceship > Artist
HerO < Shattered Temple > Artist
HerO < Calm Before the Storm > Artist
HerO < Shakuras Plateau > Artist
HerO wins 3-1 and moves into WR2! Artist falls to LR1! The YouTube VODs for this series are now up! Liquid`HerO vs Artist bo5
![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/26.jpg) oGs.SuperNoVa vs  ZeNEX.Life ![[image loading]](http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/images/players/2747.jpg) Poll: Who Will Win?!oGs.SuperNoVa (67) 61% ZeNEX.Life (43) 39% 110 total votes Your vote: Who Will Win?! (Vote): oGs.SuperNoVa
(Vote): ZeNEX.Life
Results+ Show Spoiler [SuperNoVa vs Life] +SuperNoVa < Atlantis Spaceship > Life
SuperNoVa < Antiga Shipyard > Life
SuperNoVa < Tal'Darim Altar > Life
SuperNoVa < Cloud Kingdom > Life
SuperNoVa < Daybreak > Life
SuperNoVa wins 3-2 and moves on to WR2 while Life falls to LR1! YouTube playlist link: SuperNoVa vs Life bo5
The First Game for this match of IPL Tournament of Champions is on Wednesday, Mar 14 12:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Wednesday, Mar 14 4:30pm GMT (GMT+00:00))
Map List
IPLMap Sanshorn Mists AE
IPLMap Atlantis Spaceship
IPLMap Antiga Shipyard
IPLMap Daybreak
IPLMap Tal'Darim Altar LE
IPLMap Cloud Kingdom
IPLMap Metropolis
All the maps can be found on NA, EU, or KR by searching for IPLMap!
The first map will be on a set rotation, and then it is loser's pick.
Casters
This week's games will be commentated by CatsPajamas and Doa!
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Hey. Besides the obvious 'thank you for putting so much work into leagues / tournaments' I'd love if you could actually announce it a bit earlier. For us Europeans your announcement come very short before the match actually starts. Obviously the same goes for people from the US, but Europeans would most likely either be asleep or would go offline because they have nothing to look forward to.
I'm at work having a nightshift so I can watch it, but if I'd actually be at home I'd be asleep by now. My point is if you could just host the thread earlier so people from Europe can actually see there's a big match coming up (or people in the US even) you can gain a lot more viewers. Let the people know a day or even two before that there is something coming up, because you'll hype the match and profit from the word spreading.
Just my 2 cents :-)!
other than that.. my predictions:
Liquid`HerO 3-1 Artist
oGs.SuperNoVa 1-3 ZeNEX_Life
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Awesome! Two questions, this is starting in 20 minutes, right (it's not on the calendar)? Will both those series be played tonight? Both of them being in the OP suggests they will, but you also wrote that 'the first game' will be played tonight.
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On March 13 2012 09:41 Type|NarutO wrote:
Hey. Besides the obvious 'thank you for putting so much work into leagues / tournaments' I'd love if you could actually announce it a bit earlier. For us Europeans your announcement come very short before the match actually starts. Obviously the same goes for people from the US, but Europeans would most likely either be asleep or would go offline because they have nothing to look forward to.
I'm at work having a nightshift so I can watch it, but if I'd actually be at home I'd be asleep by now. My point is if you could just host the thread earlier so people from Europe can actually see there's a big match coming up (or people in the US even) you can gain a lot more viewers. Let the people know a day or even two before that there is something coming up, because you'll hype the match and profit from the word spreading.
Just my 2 cents :-)!
other than that.. my predictions:
Liquid`HerO 3-1 Artist
oGs.SuperNoVa 1-3 ZeNEX_Life
Announcement thread where you can see the initial matchups and much more!: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=318304 
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holy smokes 12 terrans in a 16 man tournament thats crazy
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This could be Creator's tournament to shine, so many Terrans!
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On March 13 2012 09:43 Alex.IGN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:41 Type|NarutO wrote:
Hey. Besides the obvious 'thank you for putting so much work into leagues / tournaments' I'd love if you could actually announce it a bit earlier. For us Europeans your announcement come very short before the match actually starts. Obviously the same goes for people from the US, but Europeans would most likely either be asleep or would go offline because they have nothing to look forward to.
I'm at work having a nightshift so I can watch it, but if I'd actually be at home I'd be asleep by now. My point is if you could just host the thread earlier so people from Europe can actually see there's a big match coming up (or people in the US even) you can gain a lot more viewers. Let the people know a day or even two before that there is something coming up, because you'll hype the match and profit from the word spreading.
Just my 2 cents :-)!
other than that.. my predictions:
Liquid`HerO 3-1 Artist
oGs.SuperNoVa 1-3 ZeNEX_Life Announcement thread where you can see the initial matchups and much more!: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=318304
Completely missed by me. Shame on me. Continue the good work :-D! Also Happy Birthday :-)!
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On March 13 2012 09:43 Alex.IGN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:41 Type|NarutO wrote:
Hey. Besides the obvious 'thank you for putting so much work into leagues / tournaments' I'd love if you could actually announce it a bit earlier. For us Europeans your announcement come very short before the match actually starts. Obviously the same goes for people from the US, but Europeans would most likely either be asleep or would go offline because they have nothing to look forward to.
I'm at work having a nightshift so I can watch it, but if I'd actually be at home I'd be asleep by now. My point is if you could just host the thread earlier so people from Europe can actually see there's a big match coming up (or people in the US even) you can gain a lot more viewers. Let the people know a day or even two before that there is something coming up, because you'll hype the match and profit from the word spreading.
Just my 2 cents :-)!
other than that.. my predictions:
Liquid`HerO 3-1 Artist
oGs.SuperNoVa 1-3 ZeNEX_Life Announcement thread where you can see the initial matchups and much more!: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=318304
It seems like it's someone's special birthday today :O
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I hope this will be Life's breakout tournament, he could get a lot of fans with a good run here. I'd favor him against SuperNoVa, and HerO will beat Artist, too.
Nevertheless, it would be better for us Europeans if you posted the threads earlier. There's a big difference whether I want to stay up for e.g. Gumiho vs Apocalypse or Kas vs Jjakji.
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I'm thinking Hero and Life. I think Life is def able to take down Supernova. Im not sure how much of a challenge Artist is going to be for Hero
I guess the problem people might be happening is while you did announce the matchups and the tournament a week ago, it does not say which order the first round games will be played. It just says
First round games:
GuMiho vs Apocalypse
ThorZaIN vs NaDa
Jjakji vs Kas
Polt vs Squirtle
HerO vs Artist
SuperNova vs Life
PuMa vs SeleCT
Creator vs Rain
but obviously HerO vs Artist and SuperNova vs Life are being played on the first day, not GuMiho vs Apocalypse and ThorZaIN vs NaDa as you might assume from the game list. Is it possible to maybe update the announcement thread so we know which nights these games are on or is it a decision made too close to the broadcast day to announce beforehand?
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On March 13 2012 09:52 StarVe wrote:
I hope this will be Life's breakout tournament, he could get a lot of fans with a good run here. I'd favor him against SuperNoVa, and HerO will beat Artist, too.
Nevertheless, it would be better for us Europeans if you posted the threads earlier. There's a big difference whether I want to stay up for e.g. Gumiho vs Apocalypse or Kas vs Jjakji.
You realize these games are being broadcast on Tuesday (Wednesday A.M. for Europeans) and not tonight (Tuesday A.M.), right? =P
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On March 13 2012 10:05 IGNProLeague wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:52 StarVe wrote:
I hope this will be Life's breakout tournament, he could get a lot of fans with a good run here. I'd favor him against SuperNoVa, and HerO will beat Artist, too.
Nevertheless, it would be better for us Europeans if you posted the threads earlier. There's a big difference whether I want to stay up for e.g. Gumiho vs Apocalypse or Kas vs Jjakji. You realize these games are being broadcast on Tuesday (Wednesday A.M. for Europeans) and not tonight (Tuesday A.M.), right? =P
well the thread says monday right now...
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On March 13 2012 10:05 IGNProLeague wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:52 StarVe wrote:
I hope this will be Life's breakout tournament, he could get a lot of fans with a good run here. I'd favor him against SuperNoVa, and HerO will beat Artist, too.
Nevertheless, it would be better for us Europeans if you posted the threads earlier. There's a big difference whether I want to stay up for e.g. Gumiho vs Apocalypse or Kas vs Jjakji. You realize these games are being broadcast on Tuesday (Wednesday A.M. for Europeans) and not tonight (Tuesday A.M.), right? =P
I'm seeing:
When: Tuesday, Mar 13 1:00am GMT (GMT+00:00) i.e. seven minutes ago
You need to change the OP.
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On March 13 2012 10:05 IGNProLeague wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:52 StarVe wrote:
I hope this will be Life's breakout tournament, he could get a lot of fans with a good run here. I'd favor him against SuperNoVa, and HerO will beat Artist, too.
Nevertheless, it would be better for us Europeans if you posted the threads earlier. There's a big difference whether I want to stay up for e.g. Gumiho vs Apocalypse or Kas vs Jjakji. You realize these games are being broadcast on Tuesday (Wednesday A.M. for Europeans) and not tonight (Tuesday A.M.), right? =P
The First Game for this match of IPL Tournament of Champions is on Tuesday, Mar 13 2:00am CET (GMT+01:00) (we will also have a European re-broadcast as usual at Tuesday, Mar 13 6:30pm CET (GMT+01:00))
This would be 7 minutes ago? :o
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Yea I just clicked on the stream and it's still showing IPL top 5 plays
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On March 13 2012 10:05 IGNProLeague wrote:Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 09:52 StarVe wrote:
I hope this will be Life's breakout tournament, he could get a lot of fans with a good run here. I'd favor him against SuperNoVa, and HerO will beat Artist, too.
Nevertheless, it would be better for us Europeans if you posted the threads earlier. There's a big difference whether I want to stay up for e.g. Gumiho vs Apocalypse or Kas vs Jjakji. You realize these games are being broadcast on Tuesday (Wednesday A.M. for Europeans) and not tonight (Tuesday A.M.), right? =P
then the date in the OP is wrong. We already have Tuesday 13th 2am 
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People are underestimating Life a bit. Supernova is awesome, but Life is no pushover!
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Artist representing ReIGN ;;
I actually think he has a good shot at HerO. Artist is an aggressive player who has a pretty solid midgame, and just excellent control vs late game Protoss armies.
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Life so lucky, doesn't have to worry about ZvZ for the whole tourny.
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Oh. Well then yes, I can see how that would be confusing, hehe. Fixed the OP!
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SuperNova seems to be the kind of player who shines for a week before going back to messing his way out of games. I can see Life taking him down handily if he plays at his best.
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lol this entire tourney is terran -.-
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We're excited for our first games this evening and hope that you are too!
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whooaaaw look at all the terrans :o
goooo hero! win win win sir!
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On March 13 2012 10:33 Eschaton wrote:
Life so lucky, doesn't have to worry about ZvZ for the whole tourny.
That's his best matchup. XD
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Kind of cheering for life to do well this tourney even though I don't typically root for many zergs. This guy is really good but can't seem to make it into the gsl. Hope he has a strong breakout performance here. I want either him or creator to take it all since I <3 prime
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Just about four more hours until this kicks off!
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Looks like you wanted to get the non-TvTs out of the way first, huh ? :D
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Tonight will be good then its TvT all the way 
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Kicking off in one minute! Looking so forward to great casting and great casts. You are once again saving my nightshift, thank you so much :-)!
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I always have trouble gauging how good Hero is because he kills his opponents so quickly sometimes.
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Artist going for stargate! ive been playing Terran wrong i guess 
Go hero :D i wanna see stargate work for once in TvP!
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Whats this... =.= This is a very strange game.
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Iam mad @ IGN...
Yeah!
I have a ton of work to do and IGN won't let me!
They keep throwing exciting matches on air just because...
hahahaha!
of course I'm kidding
Thanks IGN! <3
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LOL, I love Doas bad jokes.
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Damn you IPL ! I want to sleep. T_T
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Only 6k for Hero vs Artist?
I don't get it...
And there's Supernova vs Life right after...
yeah... weird
EDIT: Went to the bathroom and when I came back ... 6 slots bunker?
what the hell is that?
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Hmm, broadcasting 2/4 of the non-TvT's on the first day? Might want to have spread those out a bit more...
That said, at least JYP is not in this
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On March 14 2012 09:35 leandroqm wrote:
Only 6k for Hero vs Artist?
I don't get it...
And there's Supernova vs Life right after...
yeah... weird
I wasn't aware Artist had that much viewer pull...
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Come on, the guy is good
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Man, those chargelots are unkillable lategame against Terran...
I wonder if a new revolutionary Terran player will ever incorporate lategame BF Hellions into play, to counter the bane of lategame TvP that are chargelots. Hellion+Marauder+Ghost+Viking lategame comp maybe?
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Is the time wrong in the OP? It says it doesnt start for 14 min but it's already 2-1
When: Tuesday, Mar 13 9:00pm EDT
Current time: 8:47 P.M.
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On March 14 2012 09:46 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Is the time wrong in the OP? It says it doesnt start for 14 min but it's already 2-1
Yes. I didn't look at it beforehand but it should be 1AM CET.
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On March 14 2012 09:35 leandroqm wrote:
Only 6k for Hero vs Artist?
I don't get it...
And there's Supernova vs Life right after...
yeah... weird
EDIT: Went to the bathroom and when I came back ... 6 slots bunker?
what the hell is that?
You don't get it? How about this - only popular Live events like MLG and the Live portion of IPL would be able to get huge numbers of viewers for this level of name recognition at this stage in the brackets. HerO is well-known, Supernova okay, but Artist isn't, and neither is Life. None of these players are able to bring in the numbers by themselves, being neither trendy foreigners or tip top Koreans, the two groups that are able to draw in viewers to online tourneys.
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On March 14 2012 09:41 nokz88 wrote:
Man, those chargelots are unkillable lategame against Terran...
I wonder if a new revolutionary Terran player will ever incorporate lategame BF Hellions into play, to counter the bane of lategame TvP that are chargelots. Hellion+Marauder+Ghost+Viking lategame comp maybe?
The reason might be that they were 2-2 against 1-0 bio. The fact that hero was ahead in supply might also have something to do with the way that the zealots smashed their way through everything.
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On March 14 2012 09:49 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:35 leandroqm wrote:
Only 6k for Hero vs Artist?
I don't get it...
And there's Supernova vs Life right after...
yeah... weird
EDIT: Went to the bathroom and when I came back ... 6 slots bunker?
what the hell is that? You don't get it? How about this - only popular Live events like MLG and the off-line portion of IPL would be able to get huge numbers of viewers for this level of name recognition at this stage in the brackets. HerO is well-known, Supernova okay, but Artist isn't, and neither is Life. None of these players are able to bring in the numbers by themselves, being neither well-known foreigners or tip top Koreans, the two groups that are able to draw in viewers to online tourneys.
Its a shame that Life isn't as known. Both SuperNoVa and Life are insanely good... should have more viewers ;-)!
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On March 14 2012 09:49 Azarkon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:35 leandroqm wrote:
Only 6k for Hero vs Artist?
I don't get it...
And there's Supernova vs Life right after...
yeah... weird
EDIT: Went to the bathroom and when I came back ... 6 slots bunker?
what the hell is that? You don't get it? How about this - only popular Live events like MLG and the Live portion of IPL would be able to get huge numbers of viewers for this level of name recognition at this stage in the brackets. HerO is well-known, Supernova okay, but Artist isn't, and neither is Life. None of these players are able to bring in the numbers by themselves, being neither well-known foreigners or tip top Koreans, the two groups that are able to draw in viewers to online tourneys.
Disagree.
I am having tons of fun watching those games, but I could not remember that today ToC was going to take place.
I am watching based on pure luck, so I guess this applies to other people too
And yeah... almost 9k now
That's what I'm talking about \o/
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Suprised still that shattered temple is in the map pool, it's not even on the ladder anymore. That doesn't probably say so much but I'm sure that neither GSL or MLG uses that map more either. =D
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Another botched all in :\
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Dat hero Immortal on the high ground!
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On March 14 2012 09:54 eYeball wrote:
Suprised still that shattered temple is in the map pool, it's not even on the ladder anymore. That doesn't probably say so much but I'm sure that neither GSL or MLG uses that map more either. =D
Shattered temple is still in the map pool? :o
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If artist just killed his nexus instead of push the ramp a bit I think he could have won (edit not one).
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Hero is so good, those were awesome games. Good job Hero!
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Life is a pushover.
Supernova 3-0.
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On March 13 2012 09:41 Type|NarutO wrote:
Liquid`HerO 3-1 Artist
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On March 14 2012 09:56 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:54 eYeball wrote:
Suprised still that shattered temple is in the map pool, it's not even on the ladder anymore. That doesn't probably say so much but I'm sure that neither GSL or MLG uses that map more either. =D Shattered temple is still in the map pool? :o
They played the TAC2 map pool accidentally. x.x
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On March 14 2012 09:57 IGNProLeague wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 09:56 Type|NarutO wrote:On March 14 2012 09:54 eYeball wrote:
Suprised still that shattered temple is in the map pool, it's not even on the ladder anymore. That doesn't probably say so much but I'm sure that neither GSL or MLG uses that map more either. =D Shattered temple is still in the map pool? :o They played the TAC2 map pool accidentally. x.x
I meant to say its still in the ladder map pool^_^;
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Imagine this introduction video with the voice of Peter Cullen (Optimus Prime) ... it would be absolutely perfect.
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Phew almost missed Life's games. Good luck and win 3-0 ^^
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On March 14 2012 09:57 Leifish wrote:
Life is a pushover.
Supernova 3-0.
Definitely not.
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Life might be overmaking ultras
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CatsPajamas and Doa are a really good casting duo, but...some diversity with PainUser and HD would be really nice. Fight Club, TAC and now ToC has really burned me out on the two.
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Definitely hope Life can do well. Zenex needs all the good results that it can get.
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On March 14 2012 10:21 Aulisemia wrote:
CatsPajamas and Doa are a really good casting duo, but...some diversity with PainUser and HD would be really nice. Fight Club, TAC and now ToC has really burned me out on the two.
They got a lot of flak last time for using those two, they're not as good as Cats/Doa
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On March 14 2012 10:22 Bagration wrote:
Definitely hope Life can do well. Zenex needs all the good results that it can get.
I just hope that if he does well here he doesnt just get snatched up by another team like all the other top players on Zenex in the past
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Good play by Life there. I thought he did very well to deal with many of Supernova's multi-pronged attacks.
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I really don't want to sound biased, but is it just me that gets the impression that SuperNoVa is playing a lot better, yet losing? I know its very hard to play against this style of Zerg ands its easier to play than other Zerg styles so a player like Life who's already insanely good will be even better.
I am well aware how well Life is playing as well, but yet it feels like SuperNoVa with his constant drops that by the way deal damage as well and don't just get shut down is doing the better job. I mean, yes he was (very) late on his upgrades and his third base but he decided to apply pressure at the cost of sacrificing upgrade timing and third base.
Polt usually pressures a bit earlier but gets a 3rd base at the cost of upgrades and has to be a bit more defensive after that... so am I the only one getting that impression :/?
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Man I really don't like fungal growth. It's like "Micro? Fuck you!"
Seeing an entire marine/medivac army fungaled to death gets boring after the umpteenth time.
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On March 14 2012 10:24 Type|NarutO wrote:
I really don't want to sound biased, but is it just me that gets the impression that SuperNoVa is playing a lot better, yet losing? I know its very hard to play against this style of Zerg ands its easier to play than other Zerg styles so a player like Life who's already insanely good will be even better.
I am well aware how well Life is playing as well, but yet it feels like SuperNoVa with his constant drops that by the way deal damage as well and don't just get shut down is doing the better job. I mean, yes he was (very) late on his upgrades and his third base but he decided to apply pressure at the cost of sacrificing upgrade timing and third base.
Polt usually pressures a bit earlier but gets a 3rd base at the cost of upgrades and has to be a bit more defensive after that... so am I the only one getting that impression :/?
I hope you were aware of the fact that Life outupgraded SuperNova all game long and of course his job was to defend drops and he did well. I was rooting for Life and at one point where SuperNova almost caught up to the upgrades. However, he never had marauders? No ?
After he took down the 3rd of Life with the drop, he could've sat back and defended his 3rd, instead he overextened himself into the 4th of Life. And that was the game ending imo.
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I'm crazy or game sounds are really loud ?
Edit: Or casters too quiet : )
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On March 14 2012 10:32 Lennient wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:24 Type|NarutO wrote:
I really don't want to sound biased, but is it just me that gets the impression that SuperNoVa is playing a lot better, yet losing? I know its very hard to play against this style of Zerg ands its easier to play than other Zerg styles so a player like Life who's already insanely good will be even better.
I am well aware how well Life is playing as well, but yet it feels like SuperNoVa with his constant drops that by the way deal damage as well and don't just get shut down is doing the better job. I mean, yes he was (very) late on his upgrades and his third base but he decided to apply pressure at the cost of sacrificing upgrade timing and third base.
Polt usually pressures a bit earlier but gets a 3rd base at the cost of upgrades and has to be a bit more defensive after that... so am I the only one getting that impression :/? I hope you were aware of the fact that Life outupgraded SuperNova all game long and of course his job was to defend drops and he did well. I was rooting for Life and at one point where SuperNova almost caught up to the upgrades. However, he never had marauders? No ? After he took down the 3rd of Life with the drop, he could've sat back and defended his 3rd, instead he overextened himself into the 4th of Life. And that was the game ending imo.
I am very well aware of it, thats what I said. He sacrificed his upgrades / expansion timing for the pressure. Usually Zerg would be on 3 bases and you can pressure him so he doesn't take that 4th so easily, but Life managed to do so. Even if you kill the third base of Zerg, it doesn't really mean much to a Zerg since he didn't kill drones to be honest. A few here and there, but never a "damaging" amount. If he sits back on 3 base against this style, he'll get utterly destroyed later on because
- his upgrades are later and will be later, the ultra-timing will be earlier since you won't apply pressure
- drops can be shut down a lot more effective as you can prepare with spinecrawlers and get your infestor count up
If he doesn't go ultras but went broodlords instead, you are fucked again if you tried to blindcounter it with marauders so.. yeah. This style just leaves the impression that its easy to execute. I know thats only half-true, but most Zergs I talk to even agree on that. (i.e MorroW's post comparing that style to muta/ling/bane). I'm not saying its imbalanced, just very hard to face.
And a Zerg out-upgrading you is nothing you can really do about if you play standard Terran. Double ebay early on is nothing but a sacrifice of tech and allows Zerg to get a lot of infestors easily as you do not have a tankstack build up. Being even on upgrades with the Zerg but sacrificing tank count for it is worthless, as fungal doesn't care about upgrades.
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To all the coaches that picked a T player to represent them: This is why we can't have nice things.
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Life will be on Slayers by April.
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Such a relief even the pro Terrans like SuperNoVa struggle against this style.
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yay Life!
Keep the tournament interesting and save us from the terrans!
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Life looks like a future champion doesn't he?
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God fucking damnit. Tuned in to every stream with terran progamers I've been able to just to watch how they counter this style ._. It's not working well for me.
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On March 14 2012 10:40 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
yay Life!
Keep the tournament interesting and save us from the terrans!
Sad thing is, if Life wins this, he will be matched against Hero next round. There aren't enough Zergs and Protosses in this tournament already, yet they are killing each other.
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On March 14 2012 10:42 Flightan wrote:
Life looks like a future champion doesn't he?
More like a future member of Slayers as Fionn said above me >_>
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NO he will stick with ZeNEX I hope!!
Anyway I predicted 3-2 supernova but it looks like life could take this. He 3-0d keen for the iron squid right?
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Cloaked banshees fuk yeah
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Gogo Life!! It would be so amazing if he takes this tournament!
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On March 14 2012 10:50 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
NO he will stick with ZeNEX I hope!!
Anyway I predicted 3-2 supernova but it looks like life could take this. He 3-0d keen for the iron squid right?
2-0, he also beat Bomber 2-1 in that same qualifier. Link to bracket
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The cloak banshees he's using are mainly for the later stages of the game as an investment against this infestor / ling style, because it takes either a lot of energy and effort to kill cloak banshees with infestors, not to cause a lot of damage to Zerg early. If you still can deal damage - good - if not, you have a tool against infestors.
Like that play from SuperNoVa.
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On March 14 2012 10:38 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 10:32 Lennient wrote:On March 14 2012 10:24 Type|NarutO wrote:
I really don't want to sound biased, but is it just me that gets the impression that SuperNoVa is playing a lot better, yet losing? I know its very hard to play against this style of Zerg ands its easier to play than other Zerg styles so a player like Life who's already insanely good will be even better.
I am well aware how well Life is playing as well, but yet it feels like SuperNoVa with his constant drops that by the way deal damage as well and don't just get shut down is doing the better job. I mean, yes he was (very) late on his upgrades and his third base but he decided to apply pressure at the cost of sacrificing upgrade timing and third base.
Polt usually pressures a bit earlier but gets a 3rd base at the cost of upgrades and has to be a bit more defensive after that... so am I the only one getting that impression :/? I hope you were aware of the fact that Life outupgraded SuperNova all game long and of course his job was to defend drops and he did well. I was rooting for Life and at one point where SuperNova almost caught up to the upgrades. However, he never had marauders? No ? After he took down the 3rd of Life with the drop, he could've sat back and defended his 3rd, instead he overextened himself into the 4th of Life. And that was the game ending imo. I am very well aware of it, thats what I said. He sacrificed his upgrades / expansion timing for the pressure. Usually Zerg would be on 3 bases and you can pressure him so he doesn't take that 4th so easily, but Life managed to do so. Even if you kill the third base of Zerg, it doesn't really mean much to a Zerg since he didn't kill drones to be honest. A few here and there, but never a "damaging" amount. If he sits back on 3 base against this style, he'll get utterly destroyed later on because - his upgrades are later and will be later, the ultra-timing will be earlier since you won't apply pressure - drops can be shut down a lot more effective as you can prepare with spinecrawlers and get your infestor count up If he doesn't go ultras but went broodlords instead, you are fucked again if you tried to blindcounter it with marauders so.. yeah. This style just leaves the impression that its easy to execute. I know thats only half-true, but most Zergs I talk to even agree on that. (i.e MorroW's post comparing that style to muta/ling/bane). I'm not saying its imbalanced, just very hard to face. And a Zerg out-upgrading you is nothing you can really do about if you play standard Terran. Double ebay early on is nothing but a sacrifice of tech and allows Zerg to get a lot of infestors easily as you do not have a tankstack build up. Being even on upgrades with the Zerg but sacrificing tank count for it is worthless, as fungal doesn't care about upgrades.
I only just started watching and didn't see the game, but I assume you're talking about the ling (roach) infestor 14ish minute hive style that's becoming more and more popular? That really is very easy to pull off now unfortunately, result of the ghost change that means you don't need to get an advantage midgame as Z to be able to go straight into broodlord infestor corruptor (or ultras).
It's really sad since it's changing what used to be an extremely dynamic matchup into a race for Z to get to lategame.
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OMG that was scary from life!
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HOLY SHIT
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HAHAHAHAHAH
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Haha this is why I watch starcraft!
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such a sick game holy crap :DDDDDDDDDDDDD
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Wow, Life completely failed at that game. That was just so frustrating to watch. Ugh! How could he not win that game?!
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DAMNNNNNN!
What a crazy game. How did Supernova win that? :O
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that was..pretty entertaining :D
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Holy shit how did SuperNoVa pull that off?
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Life's gonna play so badly next game lol... I'd be surprised if he wasn't a little broken after that
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Aaaaand terran wins another basetrade with 1/5 the supply of the opponent... -_-
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well now we know life doesnt function well under pressure and suprnova does lol
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one of the most interesting games i have ever seen
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Banshees are pretty good.
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wtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwtfwt
Mind = Blown.
Wow. Just wow. Holy hell.
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What in the...how long did it take for that Corruptor to come and attack the Banshees?
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That was terrible by Life. Where was the overseer and corruptor when you first saw the banshees?
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WOW. That is so insane comeback, rofl. I bet Life is pissed that Terran buildings can fly.
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*sigh* zvt so good, but 1 zerg in tournament. He might go out next game too :/
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Good decision making by Supernova
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Damn that was frustrating to watch as a Life fan, but gotta handle it to supernova. Fighting spirit!
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That shirt catspajamas is using looks exactly the same as one of my grandmother's night dress..
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banshees are good but i feel like supernova should have gotten 1 or 2 vikings first to take out that 1 corruptor and then snipe every overlord/overseer/broodlord. Still, pretty hilarious.
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HOLY CRAP!! Best basetrade ive ever seen. Nailbiting for the last 10 mins.
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he made some big mistakes not defending his ONLY structures in the game. gotta leave some units behind
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...fuck Banshees. 
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not often you see a korean rage quit lol
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On March 14 2012 11:28 K3Nyy wrote:
WOW. That is so insane comeback, rofl. I bet Life is pissed that Terran buildings can fly.
Supernova should be even more pissed since he had to resort to such tactics, because "he" had no answer to broodlords, despite being up in workers, upgrades and bases.
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Uhhh why is the game designed so this can happen ? I do not know.
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I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air...
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And that is what happens when your single corruptor take a coffee break... I'm sure that Life panicked and was unable to find his corruptor and overseer. Pretty funny game :D
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On March 14 2012 11:30 betaman wrote:
not often you see a korean rage quit lol
No building left. Since its a replay it just shows 'Life has left the game' while it actually was 'Life was eliminated' so no rage quit there
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Games like these keep reminding me why sc2 is a great game to watch and a horrible one to play.
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On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air...
i never knew that queens are tier 3 units, thanks for the information.
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Pretty sure it was not a ragequit btw, but rather that he lost his last building and was ejected from the game.
At least that was what it looked like. Of course, seeing that insanity was manifested anything goes.
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wtf. 12 terrans, 3 protoss and 1 zerg. they should call it tournament of terrans.
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On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air...
Yeah, let's disregard the fact that Life made some questionable decisions in the late-game. Everything happened that way because the game is broken.
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On March 14 2012 11:34 MaNaVoId wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air... i never knew that queens are tier 3 units, thanks for the information.
You are welcome. Whats the point when 1 banshee > 1 queen?
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On March 14 2012 11:32 Type|NarutO wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 11:30 betaman wrote:
not often you see a korean rage quit lol No building left. Since its a replay it just shows 'Life has left the game' while it actually was 'Life was eliminated' so no rage quit there
Oh right, thought he had another extractor left but knew he didnt have the dps to take out the banshees
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On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg?
You mean whenever Infestor/Broodlords comes out? :p
Game is fine, different races have points where they are stronger during a game, etc. etc.
Game was amazing, stop whining.
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Did the HD streams for IPL 4 goes up on sale yet?
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On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air...
If he actually had his infestor, queens and his corrupter sitting at his base, he would have been fine. (+ overseer obviously) There was no reason for him to move around the map as there was no mining for SuperNoVa. Just sit there and run around with lings scouting.
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Talk about clutch save. But I doubt it will last.
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Sick(!) hold by Life there.
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On March 14 2012 11:35 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 11:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air... i never knew that queens are tier 3 units, thanks for the information. You are welcome. Whats the point when 1 banshee > 1 queen?
Whereas 1 Stalker > 1 Banshee? Or 1 Marine > 1 Banshee?
What was kind of disgusting was that the Overseer and Corrupter were lacksadaisically doing naught and nil while unprotected, cloaked Banshees won the game. But the suspense and the hilarity of the situation was quite epic indeed.
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What a hold! What a series!
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On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air...
You do realize that if Life played somewhat decently in that situation he should have scouted the banshees, right? The only hope Supernova had at winning the game was that his banshees would go unscouted, and if it wasn't for this, Life was the one in an unlosable position, despite getting to such position just because he made broodlords, to which supernova, despite being ahead in everything, had no immediate answer, as he was maxed.
Also, this :
If he actually had his infestor, queens and his corrupter sitting at his base, he would have been fine. (+ overseer obviously) There was no reason for him to move around the map as there was no mining for SuperNoVa. Just sit there and run around with lings scouting.
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You are welcome. Whats the point when 1 banshee > 1 queen?
How about make 2 queens? queen = 150 min and banshee = 150 min 100 gas. Sure, 1 queen should kill 1 banshee...
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life is just terrible at dealing with drops.
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Ranged T1 is pretty good.
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fuck terran
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SuperNoVa played brilliantly on Daybreak. Absolute perfection there. Slipping on macro a bit right now, but at this point it doesn't matter much anymore, at least doesn't change the outcome.
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United States97276 Posts
damn didnt think supernova would comeback from 2-0. what a baller
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On March 14 2012 11:43 xHerodotusx wrote:
fuck terran
whine more
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On March 14 2012 11:35 Jago wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 11:34 MaNaVoId wrote:On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air... i never knew that queens are tier 3 units, thanks for the information. You are welcome. Whats the point when 1 banshee > 1 queen?
whats the point of making banshee if 1 queen(150min)>1 banshee(150min100gas)?
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Thanks IGN for this awesome tournament and thanks DoA + Catspajamas for their great casting :-)!
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There goes the only Zerg in the whole tournament.
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On March 14 2012 11:44 MaNaVoId wrote:whine more
i will...
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On March 14 2012 11:43 xHerodotusx wrote:
fuck terran
You are gonna hate the rest of this tournament then lol
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hah.. sweet games.. great job everyone.
but I'm still confused why life didn't have the corruptor up by the banshees immediately.. less marines then and could of transfused.. I have no clue.. haha.. that was wikkid though.
XD
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Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ToT
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the first and last zerg has fallen.
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On March 14 2012 11:47 TeamZeNEX wrote:
Life!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ToT
T_T; he played a very good series and is a very strong player. His time will come and he will shine. ZeNEX fighting!!
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so are these starting at 8pm eastern time from now on? OP stated 9pm but it started at 8. just want to make sure
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United States23455 Posts
Anyone know the games for tomorrow?
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On March 14 2012 11:31 Jago wrote:
I genuinely don't understand what was so "amazing" to the finish of that game according to the casters. That was goddamn disgusting. Why can't terran or protoss ever find themselves in the same unwinnable situation vs zerg? Oh yeah, because their basic tier1 units can shoot air...
Lolz youre acting like it was the zerg races fault and not Life's. Life had EVERY opportunity to win that game.
Stop making us zergs look bad. We bitch way too much.
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On March 14 2012 11:46 WigglingSquid wrote:There goes the only Zerg in the whole tournament.
He's not out, as it is double elimination.
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On March 14 2012 11:49 Fionn wrote:
Anyone know the games for tomorrow?
I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas.
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On March 14 2012 12:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas.
You just made Fionn's day. Or night.
Well, you made Fionn very happy.
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On March 14 2012 12:02 Porcelina wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 12:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On March 14 2012 11:49 Fionn wrote:
Anyone know the games for tomorrow? I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas. You just made Fionn's day. Or night. Well, you made Fionn very happy.
But what is Polt loses?
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On March 14 2012 12:03 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 12:02 Porcelina wrote:On March 14 2012 12:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On March 14 2012 11:49 Fionn wrote:
Anyone know the games for tomorrow? I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas. You just made Fionn's day. Or night. Well, you made Fionn very happy. But what is Polt loses?
Don't dare say such falsehoods.
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On March 14 2012 12:04 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 12:03 Bagration wrote:On March 14 2012 12:02 Porcelina wrote:On March 14 2012 12:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On March 14 2012 11:49 Fionn wrote:
Anyone know the games for tomorrow? I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas. You just made Fionn's day. Or night. Well, you made Fionn very happy. But what is Polt loses? Don't dare say such falsehoods.
Beware the forked tongued stranger indeed.
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On March 14 2012 12:03 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 12:02 Porcelina wrote:On March 14 2012 12:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On March 14 2012 11:49 Fionn wrote:
Anyone know the games for tomorrow? I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas. You just made Fionn's day. Or night. Well, you made Fionn very happy. But what is Polt loses?
What if the world ends tmr?
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On March 14 2012 10:01 catplanetcatplanet wrote:
SuperNoVa 3-2 Life
I got it but I wanted life to win so badly T.T
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Wow zerg was so over powered in game 4 destroying that terran army like it was nothing with infestors and the only way terran stood a chance was to base race /sarcasm
Why do people balance whine it's so stupid -.-' most of the people who do it aren't even in a position to understand what balance even is.
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On March 14 2012 12:08 Porcelina wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 12:04 Fionn wrote:On March 14 2012 12:03 Bagration wrote:On March 14 2012 12:02 Porcelina wrote:On March 14 2012 12:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On March 14 2012 11:49 Fionn wrote:
Anyone know the games for tomorrow? I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas. You just made Fionn's day. Or night. Well, you made Fionn very happy. But what is Polt loses? Don't dare say such falsehoods. Beware the forked tongued stranger indeed.
Forked tongue? How did you know about my tongue condition?
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On March 14 2012 12:16 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 12:08 Porcelina wrote:On March 14 2012 12:04 Fionn wrote:On March 14 2012 12:03 Bagration wrote:On March 14 2012 12:02 Porcelina wrote:On March 14 2012 12:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On March 14 2012 11:49 Fionn wrote:
Anyone know the games for tomorrow? I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas. You just made Fionn's day. Or night. Well, you made Fionn very happy. But what is Polt loses? Don't dare say such falsehoods. Beware the forked tongued stranger indeed. Forked tongue? How did you know about my tongue condition?
I am quite the specialist in tongue ailments and related malaise.
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On March 14 2012 12:04 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 12:03 Bagration wrote:On March 14 2012 12:02 Porcelina wrote:On March 14 2012 12:01 CosmicSpiral wrote:On March 14 2012 11:49 Fionn wrote:
Anyone know the games for tomorrow? I think Polt vs Squirtle and Jjakji vs Kas. You just made Fionn's day. Or night. Well, you made Fionn very happy. But what is Polt loses? Don't dare say such falsehoods.
Squirtle top 1. Thank you for cheering for Polt, makes Squirtle's chances even better. =O
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Goddamn SuperNova played so brilliantly. Gotta hand it to him though, macro and harassing all game long, very good decision making and come back.
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On March 14 2012 11:30 betaman wrote:
not often you see a korean rage quit lol
It wasn't a rage quit. When you lose all your buildings, you automatically get booted from the game.
EDIT: Sniped.
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On March 14 2012 14:27 Kuja wrote:
Banshees good unit haha
Broodlords good unit haha
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On March 14 2012 15:07 MaNaVoId wrote:Broodlords good unit haha Probes good unit haha
...what? Ridiculous to sink to his level, man.
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On March 14 2012 14:56 JudicatorHammurabi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2012 11:30 betaman wrote:
not often you see a korean rage quit lol It wasn't a rage quit. When you lose all your buildings, you automatically get booted from the game. EDIT: Sniped.
I feel like this needs to be a public service announcement of some sort. So annoying to hear kids (casters even, which REALLY makes me cringe) crying about BM because a player was forced to leave the game.
Can't believe how poorly Life played out that game 4 though.
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This is why everyone (not just Zerg) shouldn't 1a.
Keeping all those lings and ultras on one hotkey. Goddamn that was stupid.
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United Kingdom38256 Posts
nyuuuuu Life so close T_T
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wow supernova O; craaazy good
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On March 14 2012 12:13 Forbidden17 wrote:
Wow zerg was so over powered in game 4 destroying that terran army like it was nothing with infestors and the only way terran stood a chance was to base race /sarcasm
Why do people balance whine it's so stupid -.-' most of the people who do it aren't even in a position to understand what balance even is.
Well... obviously in the case of this tourney, I guess it has something to do with the fact there are 12t, 3p and 1z, and that only 1 non-terran (EDIT: I mean currently, as there is still 1 non-TvT match left for WB R1) has been able to make it to R2 of WB...
I mean it's not even balance whine, it's more being fed up of seeing terrans everywhere on every game...
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