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Vehemus
Profile Joined November 2010
United States586 Posts
March 13 2012 20:34 GMT
#1101
I fell asleep during the games so what the hell is with the 100% recommended GanZi / Sniper match?
This space for rent.
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
March 13 2012 20:37 GMT
#1102
On March 14 2012 05:34 Vehemus wrote:
I fell asleep during the games so what the hell is with the 100% recommended GanZi / Sniper match?

Because it is a really good TvZ
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
March 13 2012 20:56 GMT
#1103
On March 14 2012 05:16 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 05:01 ZasZ. wrote:
On March 14 2012 04:11 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On March 14 2012 03:52 ZasZ. wrote:
InCa managing to cling to Code S despite having atrocious PvZ and relying on DTs in every match up. I still don't know why players don't just metagame the shit out of him and make detection every single time regardless of what they scout.


Because he will then expand twice off 1 gate and outmacro you.


Not sure if you're serious but...

Expanding twice off of 1 Gate is asking to be killed. I wasn't suggesting his opponents not scout him, but that regardless of what they see they should probably assume he has a Dark Shrine proxied somewhere on the map and prepare accordingly.

Last I checked, throwing up a Spore/Turret at each base does not restrict you from crossing the map and killing an extremely greedy player.

I'll give him credit for his clever build on Crossfire, making the best out of a crappy map situation. Beating Ace in PvP and GanZi in PvT, though...not so impressive. Unless he sees a wealth of Protoss players (and they have to be bad at PvP too, his PvP isn't so dominant lately), I see him dropping out of Code S quite quickly.

lol say that to Bomber, he 1 gate x2 expo to kick Bomber to code A easily. InCa is legit, keep on hating if you want. The guy know how to metagame the fuck outta everyone to win. That's the sign of good player who knows to utilize his advantages.


Yeah I watched that Bomber game too. He played like shit. All I was saying is that if you're scouting properly, you can squash a 1 Gate 2 expansion build easily as any race. Just because his opponents don't know how to scout doesn't make him a good player.

He certainly knows how to utilize his advantages, that's how he's stayed in the GSL for so long with gimmicky play at best. That and having an Up/Down group with only one good player in it.

He manages to win and show an occasionally good PvT/PvP, I'll give him that. But holy gimmicks.
ZasZ.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States2911 Posts
March 13 2012 21:02 GMT
#1104
On March 14 2012 05:19 tuho12345 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 21:46 RPR_Tempest wrote:
On March 13 2012 21:44 Rinnegan5 wrote:
Inca kind off reminds me of Rain. Everyone thinks he sucks and doesnt belong into code S and still makes it.

People hated Rain because he cheesed NesTea out ONE TIME. People hate InCa because he goes DTs almost every single game. I was in utter shock when he didn't go DTs today.

Well, people don't really hate InCa. He and his constant DT usage have essentially turned him into a joke kind of like BitByBit.

The fuck is wrong with DTs lol, it's like going cloak banshee and Terran like MVP does it most of the time as well. May be DTs is more risky but they all have the same purpose of harassing or killing opponent when they have a chance lol.


Nothing is wrong with DTs, except for the fact that if your opponent doesn't prepare for them, they do a ton of damage, and if your opponent prepares for them, they do no damage. It's essentially flipping a coin, and we know what kind of demonstration of skill flipping a coin is.

They're great in a BoX to keep your opponent honest and on their toes, but when you do it almost every game (he didn't today, but has in the past) you're just relying on your opponent's mistakes instead of capitalizing on them. There's a huge difference.

The best case scenario of going DT's against an opponent who prepares and gets (static) detection is you have map control but are still way behind. Doesn't sound like solid play to me.

The difference between Cloakshees and DTs is that with good micro you can still do damage with Banshees, even if he has detection. And the greater mobility and map control they bring.

Like I said, I'll give him credit for the clever build on Crossfire that made the best out of a Z-favored map. But winning a PvP against Ace and a PvT against GanZi isn't so impressive. We'll see how he does in Code S.
crawlingchaos
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada2025 Posts
March 13 2012 21:56 GMT
#1105
HAHAHA, Inca never disappoints! I love that he comes with his own set of mind games.
They say that life's a carousel, spinning fast you've gotta ride it well, the world is full of kings and queens who blind your eyes and steal your dreams, it's heaven and hell, oh well.
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12886 Posts
March 13 2012 21:58 GMT
#1106
Are the people pretending that InCa is good serious?
o_o
WriterMaru
ragnorr
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark6097 Posts
March 13 2012 21:59 GMT
#1107
On March 14 2012 06:58 Poopi wrote:
Are the people pretending that InCa is good serious?
o_o

He qualified for code S 2 times in a row now, hes alot better than people give him credit for
Sc2Null
Profile Joined April 2011
United States3754 Posts
March 13 2012 22:11 GMT
#1108
I don't understand how inca always manages to win..but I forsee him getting knocked out in the ro32
The great Spaghetti vs Screwdriver debacle of June '12" - Porcelina
Uncultured
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1340 Posts
March 13 2012 23:57 GMT
#1109
On March 14 2012 06:58 Poopi wrote:
Are the people pretending that InCa is Bad serious?
o_o



Seriously? I don't understand the hate he gets at all. He's a very intelligent player.
Don't you rage when you lose too? -FruitDealer
samurai80
Profile Joined November 2011
Japan4225 Posts
March 14 2012 04:27 GMT
#1110
On March 14 2012 08:57 Uncultured wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 06:58 Poopi wrote:
Are the people pretending that InCa is Bad serious?
o_o



Seriously? I don't understand the hate he gets at all. He's a very intelligent player.

Well bashing protoss players seems pretty common here, but in the case of InCa I suppose he is hated just as dts are. But I agree, arguing about InCa's level when his results are what they are is just nonsense to me.
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-14 04:43:22
March 14 2012 04:42 GMT
#1111
On March 14 2012 08:57 Uncultured wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2012 06:58 Poopi wrote:
Are the people pretending that InCa is Bad serious?
o_o



Seriously? I don't understand the hate he gets at all. He's a very intelligent player.


My theory is that many people think DTs are cheesy (which is not always the case. DT rushes are quite cheesy, but late game DTs are quite smart), and because Inca is perceived as a player that always goes DTs, people think he is just a cheesy Protoss player, which is clearly not the case.

I don't think Inca is necessarily Code S level, but he definitely earned that Code S spot today, so I'm definitely not complaining about him making it in. Congrats Inca.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
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