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double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
March 10 2012 03:32 GMT
#101
On March 10 2012 06:40 zefreak wrote:
It is really sad that MMA dominated so hard to be taken out by... Puma..

Not saying Puma is bad obviously but the games were pretty poor and it was a waste of a till-then 14-0 map score

Wish he could have played TvZ till the finals..



Puma did that to Mc in the past and he just did it to MMA. Skillwise I believe Puma is behind the two, but his mind game is just too much sometimes.
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
March 10 2012 03:34 GMT
#102
On March 10 2012 07:16 GodOfWar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 07:00 SeaSwift wrote:
On March 10 2012 06:40 zefreak wrote:
It is really sad that MMA dominated so hard to be taken out by... Puma..

Not saying Puma is bad obviously but the games were pretty poor and it was a waste of a till-then 14-0 map score

Wish he could have played TvZ till the finals..


If you have only 1 really good matchup, it's fine for you to be punished by that. He should just count himself lucky no other really good Protoss players turned up apart from JYP/MC, and that JYP is so awful at PvT.


agreed, would have liked to see other Terran talent like Polt and aLive or MKP there.

aLive Superstrong vs T and Z

Polt Superstrong bascally vs all Races


Final might have looked different, but MC sure stands a chance against any Terran


Image if DRG was here, not sure if Puma could still be in the final or not....
Disengaged
Profile Joined July 2010
United States6994 Posts
March 10 2012 03:34 GMT
#103
Least Feast got what he wanted. A rematch with MMA
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
March 10 2012 03:37 GMT
#104
On March 10 2012 09:11 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 08:55 Seraphone wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:44 Kznn wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:39 Sea_aeS wrote:
I really its time for Puma to be considered as a real top Korean !!!


he's not considered top top korean cause of hes "week" tvz


Is there a Korean Terran who's not weak in at least one matchup?

MKP - TvT
MMA - TvP
MVP - TvP
Puma - TvZ
Ryung - TvP
Ganzi - TvP
Bomber - TvZ
Polt - TvZ

Not to mention they can all beat each in TvT on the right day anyway.

Polt's TvZ is his weak matchup?

wow...



It is kind of like you are saying zvt is Nestea' weak mu and pvp is Mc's.
Mkengyn
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada66 Posts
March 10 2012 03:42 GMT
#105
I'm not sure how polt is weak TvZ, when he just recently beat stephano 4-1 at assembly.
xSixMkengyn
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
March 10 2012 03:48 GMT
#106
On March 10 2012 12:32 VashTS wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 12:21 double620 wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:39 Sea_aeS wrote:
I really its time for Puma to be considered as a real top Korean !!!



A real top Korean would not lose to Stephano 0-3.

So if PuMa shuts MC out, he's not good enough to be a Top Korean?

Edit: Holy fuck kid, did you just quadruple post?



He shut Mc down due to game imbalance and maps in the past. And yes, if he can do it this time, I will agree that he is a top terran.
Only noobs would agree he is a top terran by watching him 111 toss at all time. And losing to foreign zergs time after time.
Exactable
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia263 Posts
March 10 2012 03:48 GMT
#107
Bo5 a little disappointing
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
March 10 2012 03:52 GMT
#108
On March 10 2012 12:48 double620 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 12:32 VashTS wrote:
On March 10 2012 12:21 double620 wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:39 Sea_aeS wrote:
I really its time for Puma to be considered as a real top Korean !!!



A real top Korean would not lose to Stephano 0-3.

So if PuMa shuts MC out, he's not good enough to be a Top Korean?

Edit: Holy fuck kid, did you just quadruple post?



He shut Mc down due to game imbalance and maps in the past. And yes, if he can do it this time, I will agree that he is a top terran.
Only noobs would agree he is a top terran by watching him 111 toss at all time. And losing to foreign zergs time after time.


only noobs will say that puma only knows how to 111 toss.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
March 10 2012 04:04 GMT
#109
I'm a terran player, and puma is pretty much the most boring player out there imo. MC isn't much better though. Both are known for doing all ins on a regular basis and it's just not fun to watch :/
teacash
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada494 Posts
March 10 2012 04:07 GMT
#110
bo5 for 35k ?

gadddammmit IEM, just make it a bo7 next time
jkang
Profile Joined May 2011
United States404 Posts
March 10 2012 04:11 GMT
#111
On March 10 2012 09:33 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 09:30 Benjamin80 wrote:
On March 10 2012 09:26 Seraphone wrote:
On March 10 2012 09:23 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On March 10 2012 08:55 Seraphone wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:44 Kznn wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:39 Sea_aeS wrote:
I really its time for Puma to be considered as a real top Korean !!!


he's not considered top top korean cause of hes "week" tvz


Is there a Korean Terran who's not weak in at least one matchup?

MKP - TvT
MMA - TvP
MVP - TvP
Puma - TvZ
Ryung - TvP
Ganzi - TvP
Bomber - TvZ
Polt - TvZ

Not to mention they can all beat each in TvT on the right day anyway.


MKP is not weak in TvT anymore.
MMA is not weak in TvP anymore.
Mvp was never weak in TvP.
Polt is not weak in TvZ anymore.


Evidence for MMA not being weak TvP?

MKP won two best of 3s in the Group Stages and suddenly he's got great TvT again?

Polt's almost never beaten a good ZvT player in Korean. I don't care if he beat Stephano, Stephano's ZvT is nothing special.

MVP's TvP landed him in Code A once upon a time, clearly his TvP is not the best and if you watch him play I think the only good, super solid TvP series I've seen from him was vs Huk and even then he 1-1-1'd him twice.


You just talking out you ass as allways. Polt recent wins over a 3month period include Losira Zenio, Nestea and Stephano so yea he is bad in TvZ

His stats and matchups are public you know not hard to go read them




Losira and Zenio are notoriously bad ZvT. Losira is so bad at ZvT he's dropped entirely off the radar because of it.

Stephano is bad ZvT at Code S level.

Nestea was a best of one. Anyone can win a best of one. It's not evidence of anything.
Zenio notoriously bad at ZvT? Even Mvp said he had one of the best ZvT in the world. He may not be playing that greatly lately, but still, he's not known for being terrible at that matchup. Just pointing that out, i somewhat agree with everything else you said there.
89andy
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada192 Posts
March 10 2012 04:15 GMT
#112
On March 10 2012 13:04 IMoperator wrote:
I'm a terran player, and puma is pretty much the most boring player out there imo. MC isn't much better though. Both are known for doing all ins on a regular basis and it's just not fun to watch :/


huh? They are way more interesting than players who only ever aim for macro games or only stick to one same build in a BO5. Variety is spice of life.

Watching Kas go triple cc every single damn game is called boring.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
March 10 2012 04:15 GMT
#113
Min Chul fighting!
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
March 10 2012 05:05 GMT
#114
Feast can still salvage a respectable showing for foreigners if he beats MMA in the bronze match. I'm sure he wouldn't mind the extra $4,800 in prize money either.

And go MC! Prove you're still the President Toss.
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
March 10 2012 05:08 GMT
#115
Can some1 tell what time it starts today? Like local time in Hanover, if not tell me Australian time haha...
below66
Profile Joined October 2009
United States1761 Posts
March 10 2012 06:05 GMT
#116
How come I don't see it in the upcoming matches list in the calender.
Netsky
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia1155 Posts
March 10 2012 06:06 GMT
#117
PuMa > MC
MMA > Feast

This needs to be added to the TL calender (and streams added correctly).
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 10 2012 06:08 GMT
#118
On March 10 2012 15:05 below66 wrote:
How come I don't see it in the upcoming matches list in the calender.

IEM didn't put it on the calendar. Same reason it hasn't been on there the past 2 days.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 10 2012 06:10 GMT
#119
On March 10 2012 12:48 double620 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 12:32 VashTS wrote:
On March 10 2012 12:21 double620 wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:39 Sea_aeS wrote:
I really its time for Puma to be considered as a real top Korean !!!



A real top Korean would not lose to Stephano 0-3.

So if PuMa shuts MC out, he's not good enough to be a Top Korean?

Edit: Holy fuck kid, did you just quadruple post?



He shut Mc down due to game imbalance and maps in the past. And yes, if he can do it this time, I will agree that he is a top terran.
Only noobs would agree he is a top terran by watching him 111 toss at all time. And losing to foreign zergs time after time.

lmao did you even watch the Puma vs MC games? NASL season 1, Puma played macro games every game and beat MC. In IEM Cologne he 1/1/1'd twice and beat MC in a straight up match as well.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
double620
Profile Joined July 2011
China804 Posts
March 10 2012 06:33 GMT
#120
On March 10 2012 15:10 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 12:48 double620 wrote:
On March 10 2012 12:32 VashTS wrote:
On March 10 2012 12:21 double620 wrote:
On March 10 2012 04:39 Sea_aeS wrote:
I really its time for Puma to be considered as a real top Korean !!!



A real top Korean would not lose to Stephano 0-3.

So if PuMa shuts MC out, he's not good enough to be a Top Korean?

Edit: Holy fuck kid, did you just quadruple post?



He shut Mc down due to game imbalance and maps in the past. And yes, if he can do it this time, I will agree that he is a top terran.
Only noobs would agree he is a top terran by watching him 111 toss at all time. And losing to foreign zergs time after time.

lmao did you even watch the Puma vs MC games? NASL season 1, Puma played macro games every game and beat MC. In IEM Cologne he 1/1/1'd twice and beat MC in a straight up match as well.


I watched them all and you could not deny that maps play a huge factor there for Mc's loss.
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