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MosART
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1899 Posts
March 09 2012 04:39 GMT
#581
Byun, you must love turrets like Flash!
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
March 09 2012 04:39 GMT
#582
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote:
So beasting Jjakji

Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?


Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Misoza
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia571 Posts
March 09 2012 04:40 GMT
#583
You need ravens with PDD with mech vs marauder balls.
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
March 09 2012 04:42 GMT
#584
On March 09 2012 13:39 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote:
So beasting Jjakji

Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?


Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.


So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 09 2012 04:42 GMT
#585
On March 09 2012 13:39 Badfatpanda wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote:
So beasting Jjakji

Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?


Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.


I definitely don't want to get into a huge, drawn out argument on whether mech or bio is superior, but I don't think we can say whether bio or mech is superior to one or the other. There are unique circumstances when one style is superior over another, and it also depends on the map (bigger the map, the more bio-favored).
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 09 2012 04:43 GMT
#586
On March 09 2012 13:42 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:39 Badfatpanda wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote:
So beasting Jjakji

Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?


Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.


So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?


I'm pretty sure i read Polt write somewhere he know Mech could be better, but he prefer and will play Bio the longer he can.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
March 09 2012 04:43 GMT
#587
LOL at them saying mirrin
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 09 2012 04:43 GMT
#588
I want to see that sick Creator macro. Two awesome macro players right now for the second time tonight :D
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
March 09 2012 04:44 GMT
#589
On March 09 2012 13:43 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:42 Dakkas wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:39 Badfatpanda wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote:
So beasting Jjakji

Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?


Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.


So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?


I'm pretty sure i read Polt write somewhere he know Mech could be better, but he prefer and will play Bio the longer he can.


I'll direct you to what Bagration said. My point is that saying Mech is superior is like saying Robo-tech is better than Templar-tech
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 09 2012 04:45 GMT
#590
Byun also didn't really contest the 4th, 5th and 6th with hellions... Even if it was a base trade scenario, Jjajki had enough infrastructure/mining outside his main/nat/3rd with which to reproduce from. But for Byun, once his main was breached, it is gg.
GP
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1056 Posts
March 09 2012 04:45 GMT
#591
On March 09 2012 13:42 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:39 Badfatpanda wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote:
So beasting Jjakji

Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?


Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.


So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?

I think if anything the way MMA dismantled MVP, think bio into biomech depending on the map is much better. SC2 is just too fast paced for slow immobile mech. But really it's map dependent. I'm no pro, but that's the way it seems.
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
March 09 2012 04:46 GMT
#592
On March 09 2012 13:42 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:39 Badfatpanda wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote:
So beasting Jjakji

Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?


Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.


So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?


MKP meched TvP against Genius in a tournament match. Is his play wrong? No, because it worked once. There is nobody capable of playing mech at a high level aside from Happy, MVP, and aLive of late. No one strategy is right or wrong, and I cannot honestly believe that you'd play this game and still make a comment like that. If you want to actually discuss this PM me, I don't want to derail the thread.

Keep in mind Polt recognized that Mech was superior to bio in an interview too.
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-09 04:48:08
March 09 2012 04:46 GMT
#593
Looks like Jjakji picked the right build Wanted to see a long game, though

nvm
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
March 09 2012 04:48 GMT
#594
Well, we have to remember maps are also getting bigger (likely in response to PvT 1-1-1 more than bio vs mech). Mech is great when there is one main path to attack. You can get turrets and move out. But with multiple paths, bio/bio mech's mobility becomes very advantageous. You NEED to do well with helion harrass to make Mech work (see GuMiho and Alive)
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
March 09 2012 04:49 GMT
#595
This game's gonna be painfull to watch as a Terran player now.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
March 09 2012 04:49 GMT
#596
Looking bad for Jjakji now that his attack was repulsed
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
March 09 2012 04:51 GMT
#597
On March 09 2012 13:42 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2012 13:39 Badfatpanda wrote:
On March 09 2012 13:36 Dakkas wrote:
So beasting Jjakji

Yo Artosis, mech is superior right?


Mech is superior, you just need to play it right, Byun didn't have enough defense in his main, even after he cut off Jjakji's army so that he needed either engage Byun straight up or base trade. It's not just the strategy, it's how you execute it.


So Polt, MMA and MKP are wrong in their TvT then?


aLive sure isnt wrong going Mech ^^
Mvp Moon Squirtle
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
March 09 2012 04:52 GMT
#598
It's about to be 2-2 vs 0-0 in upgrades
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TL+ Member
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
March 09 2012 04:53 GMT
#599
Ok, I'm derailing the thread but I need to clear it up what I meant so no-one else asks

Mech is not superior. Bio is not superior

It was a jab at Artosis who ALWAYS says mech is better in TvT
Badfatpanda
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States9719 Posts
March 09 2012 04:54 GMT
#600
Jjakji needs to take a risk at this point, just max out to the ideal comp as fast as possible and pull some scvs to buffer zealot damage or doom drop Creator's main or something. He cannot win this straight up
Music is a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy. -Beethoven | Mech isn't a build, it's a way of life. -MajOr | Charlie.Sheen: "What is sarcastic, kids who have no courage to fight?" | #TerranPride #yolo #swag -Naama after 2-0'ing MC at HSC VI
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