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Apparently some people are dumb enough to STILL be asking for it, so let's make things clear:

Do NOT ask for re-streams, and do NOT post re-streams.

Do not come here and muddle the thread by bitching about PPV.
alpsi
Profile Joined April 2009
Finland437 Posts
February 26 2012 02:12 GMT
#3781
On February 26 2012 11:12 dragonborn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 11:11 Flanq wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:10 ComplexConf wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:09 hysterial wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:07 Juvant wrote:
Nani played amazingly otherwise, but hyping forcefields is so freaking dumb.

F+click isn't that hard, I have pro FFs in plat :/


No you dont.


Second that. He don't.. xD

Thirded, you don't,

Fourth that, you don't.

im sure he can pull it off
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
February 26 2012 02:12 GMT
#3782
Please Leenock, dont do a ling/roach all-in
skatbone
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1005 Posts
February 26 2012 02:13 GMT
#3783
Funny how Tastosis was pussyfooting around the opening of Game 3, just waiting for Nani or Leenock to do something unorthodox.
Mercurial#1193
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-26 02:13:29
February 26 2012 02:13 GMT
#3784
On February 26 2012 11:11 ComplexConf wrote:
Daum.. Demu losing first game vs Violet.. Thought he would 2-0..

( I don't give violet a lot of credit but I see him as a bit sloppy 2nd tier zerg, not that demu is a 1st rank terran, but he's kinda been playing like one this MLG )


Violet did win IEM Sao Paulo over Supernova, and he was a former Code S player.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
February 26 2012 02:13 GMT
#3785
On February 26 2012 11:12 esaul17 wrote:
Is nexus first vs pool first a build order loss?

BO loss for Leenock if he can't punish it.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 26 2012 02:13 GMT
#3786
On February 26 2012 11:10 Flanq wrote:
It's one thing to split an army/donut behind an army, but to wall tight to your own army, without accidentally pushing your own units onto the wrong side, at that speed, without wasting many/any, is unbelievably difficult.

Not only it isn't easy to have the precision/no overlap (Parting does this like no one for instance), but also you have to do it FAST. Really, casters screaming "beautiful forcefields" are more correct than when they yell "beautiful fungal" for instance =)
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
February 26 2012 02:13 GMT
#3787
Leenock sent a drone scout to check for proxy gates! He learned.
Heimatloser
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany1494 Posts
February 26 2012 02:13 GMT
#3788
just realized: only tosses left on the road to another silver for marineking. i think he has this"
All what KT currently needs is a Zerg and a second Terran
ODKStevez
Profile Joined February 2011
Ireland1225 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3789
On February 26 2012 11:12 StimMarine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 11:11 skatbone wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:06 StimMarine wrote:
Not balance whining, but how hard/easy is it to FF like naniwa did? Doesn't look hard to me, but the casters praise it a lot. I'm guessing it takes a fair bit of skill to make a good FF wall?


Vs speedbanes on creep, it is difficult if you are macroing while you micro your army. Sure, if you are just microing, it isn't that hard. Nani was really good about using hallucinated phoenix to scout Leenock's army that game. Beyond his FFing, he generally did a lot of small things to make sure he knew what Leenock's comp was and where it was. Part of FFing is having this more general awareness. The wall itself is not as impressive as the reaction time and the game sense.


Thanks, that was a good explanation.


Yeah that FF when he blinked into the main.. that reaction time was so awesome and the positioning was almost perfect apart from the 3 stalkers. ^_^
Luppa <3
Ovreel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States206 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3790
...Did he just say DRJew?
Keo.837 Twitch.tv/Ovreel
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3791
On February 26 2012 11:13 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 11:11 ComplexConf wrote:
Daum.. Demu losing first game vs Violet.. Thought he would 2-0..

( I don't give violet a lot of credit but I see him as a bit sloppy 2nd tier zerg, not that demu is a 1st rank terran, but he's kinda been playing like one this MLG )


Violet did win IEM Sao Paulo over Supernova, and he was a former Code S player.

And over Demuslim too =)
esaul17
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada547 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3792
On February 26 2012 11:13 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 11:12 esaul17 wrote:
Is nexus first vs pool first a build order loss?

BO loss for Leenock if he can't punish it.

Double expand count as punishing?
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3793
1 gas in main? wg all in.
ComplexConf
Profile Joined September 2011
Ireland161 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3794
On February 26 2012 11:13 Bagration wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 11:11 ComplexConf wrote:
Daum.. Demu losing first game vs Violet.. Thought he would 2-0..

( I don't give violet a lot of credit but I see him as a bit sloppy 2nd tier zerg, not that demu is a 1st rank terran, but he's kinda been playing like one this MLG )


Violet did win IEM Sao Paulo over Supernova, and he was a former Code S player.


Ah didnt know he won IEM, well done..
"Carrier has arrived" "GTFO OR DIE!"
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3795
MKP THE TVP GOD. FUCKING AMAZING OMG
mango_destroyer
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3914 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3796
MKP on fire today.
Swede
Profile Joined June 2010
New Zealand853 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3797
On February 26 2012 11:12 Flanq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 11:11 Swede wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:04 Billd wrote:
On February 26 2012 10:59 Swede wrote:
On February 26 2012 10:57 MattyClutch wrote:
On February 26 2012 10:53 Swede wrote:
On February 26 2012 10:51 MattyClutch wrote:
On February 26 2012 10:44 Swede wrote:
On February 26 2012 10:40 MattyClutch wrote:
On February 26 2012 10:38 Myles wrote:
[quote]
There's no exploit, unless you consider opening the stream like any other an exploit. I'm not even using adblock.


... I think it is very obvious MLG didn't intend for everyone to be able to view it for free. It was obviously an oversight. With a quick search I can find most any software, music, or video product I want for free. It originally came from the developer, that doesn't mean that is how they wanted it to be offered.


How are you still defending them? It doesn't matter that it was an oversight. If you pay for a product then you have every right to expect that oversights of this degree won't happen. It would be considerably better if an exploit was required on the viewers side, but there isn't.

Tell me, how hard could MLG have worked to prevent people from freely accessing the stream if people with no Adblock, no exploit - nothing at all - can open a regular browser and view the stream at no charge?


If you want to be mad that you got exactly what you payed for, go crazy. I can still think you are silly. I have pointed out what an absurd argument this is, you can reread my other posts on the matter if you want. I am content to let angry people be angry as they just ignore all logic in the first place.

Don't expect to get your money back. "I got exactly what I payed for, now give me my money back" is not a logical argument.


But you didn't get exactly what you paid for. Like it or not, getting what you paid for is reliant on other people not getting what they didn't pay for.

Not only that, MLG made it very clear that this was to be a PPV only event. It's ridiculous that a person with no workaround at all and a completely regular browser can just open the stream and get it for free.


As I mentioned several times before - in the world of entertainment EVERYONE GETS THINGS YOU PAYED FOR WITHOUT PAYING. If you buy video games, people already pirated those. If you watch TV or movies or sporting events - people pirated those. If you buy software - tons of people get that for free via piracy. If you buy a car or a house, several people probably got much better deals that you did.

In none of those situations is it logical to demand your money back. A service was offered and you thought it was at a fair price and bought it. They delivered on their promise to you. I really cannot fathom how this isn't understandable Do you guys just not buy anything digital (or can be made digital) at all?


Sigh. I'll respond to you one last time. Pirating video games isn't the same. What it is the same as is Ubisoft selling Crysis in stores but also offering a free download of the game on their official website which they didn't tell you about. If you don't understand that difference then there's no point talking to you.


But that would have to involve Ubisoft offering it for free on purpose? Your logic is...well non existent. MLG doesn't want it to be out there for free and is probably working on stopping it right now. MLGLee was actively hunting down restreamers last night.


Ok. My analogy wasn't perfect. I'll admit that. But I'll modify it.

Ubisoft attempts to sell Crysis online but hires the worst website designer in history to implement the online buying system. It ends up that people with completely regular and expected set ups can get the game for free without using ANY exploits or any work arounds.

I don't think you understand how stupid this is. The people getting it for free are just regular users using regular browsers. If your code can't stop those people from getting it for free then you fucked up pretty badly.

The people who paid have every right to be mad and should be. You can't just let things like this slide.

Holy shit let this die, if you're unhappy, complain to mlg, if you're happy, enjoy the show, but don't fill the LR with this crap.


You're right. Consider it dead.
Juvant
Profile Joined April 2011
United States723 Posts
February 26 2012 02:14 GMT
#3798
On February 26 2012 11:12 alpsi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 26 2012 11:12 dragonborn wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:11 Flanq wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:10 ComplexConf wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:09 hysterial wrote:
On February 26 2012 11:07 Juvant wrote:
Nani played amazingly otherwise, but hyping forcefields is so freaking dumb.

F+click isn't that hard, I have pro FFs in plat :/


No you dont.


Second that. He don't.. xD

Thirded, you don't,

Fourth that, you don't.

im sure he can pull it off


Hyperbole aside, it's not worthy of that kind of praise.

It's not apm intensive, and it's not that hard to be accurate.
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
February 26 2012 02:15 GMT
#3799
but no plus 1, either mistake or not all in hmm
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
February 26 2012 02:15 GMT
#3800
Holy crap, disgustingly good play by MKP.
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