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On February 26 2012 11:10 Wegandi wrote:
MKP vs PartinG more interesting imho. Let's go MKP!
Oooh fair enough, I'll check that out too.
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On February 26 2012 11:06 StimMarine wrote:
Not balance whining, but how hard/easy is it to FF like naniwa did? Doesn't look hard to me, but the casters praise it a lot. I'm guessing it takes a fair bit of skill to make a good FF wall?
Vs speedbanes on creep, it is difficult if you are macroing while you micro your army. Sure, if you are just microing, it isn't that hard. Nani was really good about using hallucinated phoenix to scout Leenock's army that game. Beyond his FFing, he generally did a lot of small things to make sure he knew what Leenock's comp was and where it was. Part of FFing is having this more general awareness. The wall itself is not as impressive as the reaction time and the game sense.
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On February 26 2012 11:10 ComplexConf wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:09 hysterial wrote:On February 26 2012 11:07 Juvant wrote:
Nani played amazingly otherwise, but hyping forcefields is so freaking dumb.
F+click isn't that hard, I have pro FFs in plat :/ No you dont. Second that. He don't.. xD
Thirded, you don't,
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On February 26 2012 11:09 Cainam wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:07 IntoTheheart wrote:
How are the casters holding up in terms of their voices? Haven't they been casting for 7 flat hours? Surprisingly Tasteless doesn't sound like his throat is going to fall off. Very rare indeed.
probably quit smoking. lol
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On February 26 2012 11:08 tree.hugger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:07 Lupita wrote:On February 26 2012 11:06 StimMarine wrote:
Not balance whining, but how hard/easy is it to FF like naniwa did? Doesn't look hard to me, but the casters praise it a lot. I'm guessing it takes a fair bit of skill to make a good FF wall? It's difficult to get them up accurately (i.e. not overlapping and in the correct spot) AND quickly. Or, I'm insane? Apparently everyone saw perfect forcefields, but I saw like eight thrown in the same area? Am I insane?
Ya he used a few too many when he blinked onto the high ground, but the fact that he had just blinked up and was able to snap a line of them up so quickly underpressure with no holes was brilliant. He might have intentionally overlapped them because he saw the banes.
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On February 26 2012 11:10 Sokar85 wrote:
the fun thing is, if Naniwa manages to win this.. its against DRG next.. like all the best zergs in a row
Was almost the same thing at providence. Nestea followed by DRG and Leenock, with Huk thrown in the mix.
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On February 26 2012 11:04 Billd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 10:59 Swede wrote:On February 26 2012 10:57 MattyClutch wrote:On February 26 2012 10:53 Swede wrote:On February 26 2012 10:51 MattyClutch wrote:On February 26 2012 10:44 Swede wrote:On February 26 2012 10:40 MattyClutch wrote:On February 26 2012 10:38 Myles wrote:On February 26 2012 10:36 MattyClutch wrote:On February 26 2012 10:34 magnaflow wrote:
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Because they are giving you the exact same thing without having to pay for it. I have every right to be pissed off.
No some people found a way to exploit the system. MLG didn't 'give' them that. I highly doubt someone at MLG is going "YES THEY FOUND THE SECRET LOOPHOLE I LEFT FOR THEM!". Much more likely they are working to shut it down now. Do you also get mad at game developers because people pirate games that you payed for? Or movie producers because people BitTorrent movies? There's no exploit, unless you consider opening the stream like any other an exploit. I'm not even using adblock. ... I think it is very obvious MLG didn't intend for everyone to be able to view it for free. It was obviously an oversight. With a quick search I can find most any software, music, or video product I want for free. It originally came from the developer, that doesn't mean that is how they wanted it to be offered. How are you still defending them? It doesn't matter that it was an oversight. If you pay for a product then you have every right to expect that oversights of this degree won't happen. It would be considerably better if an exploit was required on the viewers side, but there isn't. Tell me, how hard could MLG have worked to prevent people from freely accessing the stream if people with no Adblock, no exploit - nothing at all - can open a regular browser and view the stream at no charge? If you want to be mad that you got exactly what you payed for, go crazy. I can still think you are silly. I have pointed out what an absurd argument this is, you can reread my other posts on the matter if you want. I am content to let angry people be angry as they just ignore all logic in the first place. Don't expect to get your money back. "I got exactly what I payed for, now give me my money back" is not a logical argument. But you didn't get exactly what you paid for. Like it or not, getting what you paid for is reliant on other people not getting what they didn't pay for. Not only that, MLG made it very clear that this was to be a PPV only event. It's ridiculous that a person with no workaround at all and a completely regular browser can just open the stream and get it for free. As I mentioned several times before - in the world of entertainment EVERYONE GETS THINGS YOU PAYED FOR WITHOUT PAYING. If you buy video games, people already pirated those. If you watch TV or movies or sporting events - people pirated those. If you buy software - tons of people get that for free via piracy. If you buy a car or a house, several people probably got much better deals that you did. In none of those situations is it logical to demand your money back. A service was offered and you thought it was at a fair price and bought it. They delivered on their promise to you. I really cannot fathom how this isn't understandable  Do you guys just not buy anything digital (or can be made digital) at all? Sigh. I'll respond to you one last time. Pirating video games isn't the same. What it is the same as is Ubisoft selling Crysis in stores but also offering a free download of the game on their official website which they didn't tell you about. If you don't understand that difference then there's no point talking to you. But that would have to involve Ubisoft offering it for free on purpose? Your logic is...well non existent. MLG doesn't want it to be out there for free and is probably working on stopping it right now. MLGLee was actively hunting down restreamers last night.
Ok. My analogy wasn't perfect. I'll admit that. But I'll modify it.
Ubisoft attempts to sell Crysis online but hires the worst website designer in history to implement the online buying system. It ends up that people with completely regular and expected set ups can get the game for free without using ANY exploits or any work arounds.
I don't think you understand how stupid this is. The people getting it for free are just regular users using regular browsers. If your code can't stop those people from getting it for free then you fucked up pretty badly.
The people who paid have every right to be mad and should be. You can't just let things like this slide.
User was warned for this post
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On February 26 2012 11:10 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:09 Bagration wrote:On February 26 2012 11:06 wklbishop wrote:On February 26 2012 11:04 Bagration wrote:
Finish off the Ewok, Naniwa! I can't tell if you complimented Leenock or you're being an insulting dick. hmmm. It's not to be seen as an insult, man. There was a post with Leenock as an Ewok and Naniwa photoshopped on Bruno (the movie character), and I found it hilarious. I found it hilarious and Leenock will now forever be seen as the Ewok-Zerg to me. LOLs. The thing is that I love ewoks, but some people use it as an insult. =[
Who the hell calls someone an Ewok as an insult?
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Daum.. Demu losing first game vs Violet.. Thought he would 2-0..
( I don't give violet a lot of credit but I see him as a bit sloppy 2nd tier zerg, not that demu is a 1st rank terran, but he's kinda been playing like one this MLG )
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On February 26 2012 11:11 Flanq wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:10 ComplexConf wrote:On February 26 2012 11:09 hysterial wrote:On February 26 2012 11:07 Juvant wrote:
Nani played amazingly otherwise, but hyping forcefields is so freaking dumb.
F+click isn't that hard, I have pro FFs in plat :/ No you dont. Second that. He don't.. xD Thirded, you don't,
Fourth that, you don't.
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artosis licking ass 
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naniwa games = entertaining games
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On February 26 2012 11:11 skatbone wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:06 StimMarine wrote:
Not balance whining, but how hard/easy is it to FF like naniwa did? Doesn't look hard to me, but the casters praise it a lot. I'm guessing it takes a fair bit of skill to make a good FF wall? Vs speedbanes on creep, it is difficult if you are macroing while you micro your army. Sure, if you are just microing, it isn't that hard. Nani was really good about using hallucinated phoenix to scout Leenock's army that game. Beyond his FFing, he generally did a lot of small things to make sure he knew what Leenock's comp was and where it was. Part of FFing is having this more general awareness. The wall itself is not as impressive as the reaction time and the game sense.
Thanks, that was a good explanation.
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Is nexus first vs pool first a build order loss?
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On February 26 2012 11:11 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:10 wklbishop wrote:On February 26 2012 11:09 Bagration wrote:On February 26 2012 11:06 wklbishop wrote:On February 26 2012 11:04 Bagration wrote:
Finish off the Ewok, Naniwa! I can't tell if you complimented Leenock or you're being an insulting dick. hmmm. It's not to be seen as an insult, man. There was a post with Leenock as an Ewok and Naniwa photoshopped on Bruno (the movie character), and I found it hilarious. I found it hilarious and Leenock will now forever be seen as the Ewok-Zerg to me. LOLs. The thing is that I love ewoks, but some people use it as an insult. =[ Who the hell calls someone an Ewok as an insult?
stormtroopers and widows of stormtroopers
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MKP handled that BEAUTIFULLY.
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nani always go nexus 1st
that is BALL
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On February 26 2012 11:11 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2012 11:04 Billd wrote:On February 26 2012 10:59 Swede wrote:On February 26 2012 10:57 MattyClutch wrote:On February 26 2012 10:53 Swede wrote:On February 26 2012 10:51 MattyClutch wrote:On February 26 2012 10:44 Swede wrote:On February 26 2012 10:40 MattyClutch wrote:On February 26 2012 10:38 Myles wrote:On February 26 2012 10:36 MattyClutch wrote:
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No some people found a way to exploit the system. MLG didn't 'give' them that. I highly doubt someone at MLG is going "YES THEY FOUND THE SECRET LOOPHOLE I LEFT FOR THEM!". Much more likely they are working to shut it down now. Do you also get mad at game developers because people pirate games that you payed for? Or movie producers because people BitTorrent movies? There's no exploit, unless you consider opening the stream like any other an exploit. I'm not even using adblock. ... I think it is very obvious MLG didn't intend for everyone to be able to view it for free. It was obviously an oversight. With a quick search I can find most any software, music, or video product I want for free. It originally came from the developer, that doesn't mean that is how they wanted it to be offered. How are you still defending them? It doesn't matter that it was an oversight. If you pay for a product then you have every right to expect that oversights of this degree won't happen. It would be considerably better if an exploit was required on the viewers side, but there isn't. Tell me, how hard could MLG have worked to prevent people from freely accessing the stream if people with no Adblock, no exploit - nothing at all - can open a regular browser and view the stream at no charge? If you want to be mad that you got exactly what you payed for, go crazy. I can still think you are silly. I have pointed out what an absurd argument this is, you can reread my other posts on the matter if you want. I am content to let angry people be angry as they just ignore all logic in the first place. Don't expect to get your money back. "I got exactly what I payed for, now give me my money back" is not a logical argument. But you didn't get exactly what you paid for. Like it or not, getting what you paid for is reliant on other people not getting what they didn't pay for. Not only that, MLG made it very clear that this was to be a PPV only event. It's ridiculous that a person with no workaround at all and a completely regular browser can just open the stream and get it for free. As I mentioned several times before - in the world of entertainment EVERYONE GETS THINGS YOU PAYED FOR WITHOUT PAYING. If you buy video games, people already pirated those. If you watch TV or movies or sporting events - people pirated those. If you buy software - tons of people get that for free via piracy. If you buy a car or a house, several people probably got much better deals that you did. In none of those situations is it logical to demand your money back. A service was offered and you thought it was at a fair price and bought it. They delivered on their promise to you. I really cannot fathom how this isn't understandable Do you guys just not buy anything digital (or can be made digital) at all? Sigh. I'll respond to you one last time. Pirating video games isn't the same. What it is the same as is Ubisoft selling Crysis in stores but also offering a free download of the game on their official website which they didn't tell you about. If you don't understand that difference then there's no point talking to you. But that would have to involve Ubisoft offering it for free on purpose? Your logic is...well non existent. MLG doesn't want it to be out there for free and is probably working on stopping it right now. MLGLee was actively hunting down restreamers last night. Ok. My analogy wasn't perfect. I'll admit that. But I'll modify it. Ubisoft attempts to sell Crysis online but hires the worst website designer in history to implement the online buying system. It ends up that people with completely regular and expected set ups can get the game for free without using ANY exploits or any work arounds. I don't think you understand how stupid this is. The people getting it for free are just regular users using regular browsers. If your code can't stop those people from getting it for free then you fucked up pretty badly. The people who paid have every right to be mad and should be. You can't just let things like this slide.
Holy shit let this die, if you're unhappy, complain to mlg, if you're happy, enjoy the show, but don't fill the LR with this crap.
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