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purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
February 16 2012 07:27 GMT
#101
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
February 16 2012 07:29 GMT
#102
On February 16 2012 16:11 Megabuster123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:10 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game three: Daybreak.
Axslav blocks Destiny's natural, so Destiny takes his third and then natural.
Axslav FFEs and goes stargate- voidray into 4 phoenixes.
Destiny makes a ton of spores, so he doesn't take much damage. It gives Axslav time to get his third up though.
Spire vs. colossus and blink transitions are the next stages.
Mutalisks come out but can't do much damage.
By 14 minutes, templar archives has finished because Destiny's muta ball is getting scary. Destiny takes a fourth while he still has map control (via mutas).
About 170 supply for both players at the 17 minute mark. Axslav takes a fourth in the middle, rather than his side... and he made like twenty cannons in front of that base and zero behind the nexus lol.
There are so many cannons and spine crawlers everywhere that no one can do much yet... (@ 23 minutes). Just a lot of flying and running around.
Mothership and broodlords finally at 25 minutes. End game incoming.
Both players on 5 bases. Axslav sacrificing more units unfavorably... but he recalls past 50 spines and takes out Zerg tech. (@ 30 min)
But! Destiny responds by countering with his air fleet lol.
They both have very low income. Mutas are flying around so easily, sniping nexuses, but Axslav's army is still a lot bigger.
At this point it's 35 minutes into the game, and the onus is on Destiny to move forward because Axslav has control of the middle. But he's just sitting there. Destiny has almost no income at all. Sitting on his 3 mined out bases with tons of spine crawlers, brood lords, and mutas.
Axslav shouldn't engage at all; he should mine out both of the middle bases and the bases on his side. And that's what he's doing.
30 broodlords for Destiny. lol. He's sacrificing drones.
Finally Destiny a-moves everything. He didn't spread his units at all.
Double vortex with perfect unit composition. Axslav deserved to win this game. "lol" from Destiny.

2-1 Axslav


Protoss bias....>_>


You can't spread your broodlords at that point. Double vortex makes it fruitless.


His first vortex completely missed the broodlords in that game His second one managed to get them all. He knew there was a mothership, and he saw it coming. And he knows the game is over if all his units get sucked in at once. ::shrugs:: Just saying.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
February 16 2012 07:30 GMT
#103
EG should've sent Axslav to Korea
The doctors gave me 9 months to live, ]BIG[ gave me a life time.
LimeNade
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2125 Posts
February 16 2012 07:31 GMT
#104
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


You must be young because you have no idea how much it costs to run a business. Let alone a business in a small market like esports. Much less possibility of making money. Has nothing to do with skills. Players need to have value in order for the business or team to make back their money and pay the players. It's not that shocking that incontrol has a higher value for EG.
JD, need I say more? :D
Vash_SC2
Profile Joined January 2012
United States122 Posts
February 16 2012 07:36 GMT
#105
On February 16 2012 16:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game four: Shakuras Plateau. Axslav top right; Destiny bottom left.

Axslav FFEs, pylon blocks (+ fake cannon) Destiny's natural, but Destiny expands there after the pylon dies anyway.
Bobby Lee from MadTV thinks Gretorp is Mexican. (I don't know either but that's what Gretorp is saying.)
@ 8 minutes: Destiny takes a fast third and a double roach warren. Axslav goes stargate.
@ 10 minutes: sling/ roach with fast upgrades barely holds off a big zealot/ void push. Spores are pretty good against void rays. Axslav ahead though.
@ 12 minutes: Axslav takes pocket expansion. He has like a million sentries. Immortal coming out because he saw the mass roaches, but mainly mass gateways. Blink tech too.
@ 14:30- A void ray killed an infestor, and the casters went crazy.
@17:00- 150 supply each. Colossus tech and storm going down for Axslav. Burrow and hive and fourth being taken (top left). Fourth immediately picked off by Axslav warping in a round of zealots.
@18:00- Spire going down, colossus and high templar out. Both players pretty much maxed. Axslav with the better unit composition by far. Axslav has the top middle base well defended.
@20:00- Axslav pushes, engages better, rolls Destiny. "g" from Destiny.

Final score: 3-1 Axslav. Congratulations!!!

Keep playing Protoss......silly biased man!
"Own-ed" - CatZ
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
February 16 2012 07:37 GMT
#106
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


I think it's because there are more important qualities in a team and a pro-gamer than one showmatch against one player. I may be wrong though.
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
SgtCoDFish
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United Kingdom1520 Posts
February 16 2012 07:43 GMT
#107
On February 16 2012 16:36 The_Stampede wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:26 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Game four: Shakuras Plateau. Axslav top right; Destiny bottom left.

Axslav FFEs, pylon blocks (+ fake cannon) Destiny's natural, but Destiny expands there after the pylon dies anyway.
Bobby Lee from MadTV thinks Gretorp is Mexican. (I don't know either but that's what Gretorp is saying.)
@ 8 minutes: Destiny takes a fast third and a double roach warren. Axslav goes stargate.
@ 10 minutes: sling/ roach with fast upgrades barely holds off a big zealot/ void push. Spores are pretty good against void rays. Axslav ahead though.
@ 12 minutes: Axslav takes pocket expansion. He has like a million sentries. Immortal coming out because he saw the mass roaches, but mainly mass gateways. Blink tech too.
@ 14:30- A void ray killed an infestor, and the casters went crazy.
@17:00- 150 supply each. Colossus tech and storm going down for Axslav. Burrow and hive and fourth being taken (top left). Fourth immediately picked off by Axslav warping in a round of zealots.
@18:00- Spire going down, colossus and high templar out. Both players pretty much maxed. Axslav with the better unit composition by far. Axslav has the top middle base well defended.
@20:00- Axslav pushes, engages better, rolls Destiny. "g" from Destiny.

Final score: 3-1 Axslav. Congratulations!!!

Keep playing Protoss......silly biased man!


??? Are you trying to say Axslav didn't play better? Destiny made two roach warrens off 1 gas and spent forever not using them. Axslav was the better player by FAR and pointing that out isn't bias.

Calling DarkPlasmaBall silly for LRing is beyond childish. If you think he's not doing a good job, take the time to do your own "unbiased" LR instead of shitting on his hard work.

(I say this as a Zerg who likes both players)
Gretorp
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States586 Posts
February 16 2012 07:45 GMT
#108
thanks everyone for tuning in. was a blast the crowd was awesome :-)
I am Unheard Change
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
February 16 2012 07:46 GMT
#109
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!

At least iNcontroL can go 3-2...LzGaMeR is still on the team, for poop's sake :-/
DarkPlasmaBall
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States44107 Posts
February 16 2012 07:47 GMT
#110
On February 16 2012 16:45 Gretorp wrote:
thanks everyone for tuning in. was a blast the crowd was awesome :-)


Thank you for casting! Sorry to hear about Bobby Lee ^^
"There is nothing more satisfying than looking at a crowd of people and helping them get what I love." ~Day[9] Daily #100
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
February 16 2012 07:52 GMT
#111
On February 16 2012 16:31 BloodThirsty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


You must be young because you have no idea how much it costs to run a business. Let alone a business in a small market like esports. Much less possibility of making money. Has nothing to do with skills. Players need to have value in order for the business or team to make back their money and pay the players. It's not that shocking that incontrol has a higher value for EG.


Sarcasm does not seem to work out to well here. I know why Incontrol will never be cut from EG. I just think its funny when he has that position considering how bad he is. Sad for a guy like Axslav but hey, life will never be fair.
FrooK
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden28 Posts
February 16 2012 07:59 GMT
#112
On February 16 2012 16:52 purpose wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:31 BloodThirsty wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


You must be young because you have no idea how much it costs to run a business. Let alone a business in a small market like esports. Much less possibility of making money. Has nothing to do with skills. Players need to have value in order for the business or team to make back their money and pay the players. It's not that shocking that incontrol has a higher value for EG.


Sarcasm does not seem to work out to well here. I know why Incontrol will never be cut from EG. I just think its funny when he has that position considering how bad he is. Sad for a guy like Axslav but hey, life will never be fair.


Was the official word for Axlav leaving EG really that he was bad? Just asking!
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
February 16 2012 08:02 GMT
#113
On February 16 2012 16:59 FrooK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:52 purpose wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:31 BloodThirsty wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


You must be young because you have no idea how much it costs to run a business. Let alone a business in a small market like esports. Much less possibility of making money. Has nothing to do with skills. Players need to have value in order for the business or team to make back their money and pay the players. It's not that shocking that incontrol has a higher value for EG.


Sarcasm does not seem to work out to well here. I know why Incontrol will never be cut from EG. I just think its funny when he has that position considering how bad he is. Sad for a guy like Axslav but hey, life will never be fair.


Was the official word for Axlav leaving EG really that he was bad? Just asking!

They didn't get enough ROI on him. Which is stupid seeming as they never sent him to events to find out...there was ESWC and he made it out of his group and lost to Stephano who went on to win the whole thing, and that was it :-/
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
February 16 2012 08:10 GMT
#114
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!

your assuming axslav got kicked from EG. ever think Reign just made a better offer?


On February 16 2012 17:02 Ruscour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:59 FrooK wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:52 purpose wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:31 BloodThirsty wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


You must be young because you have no idea how much it costs to run a business. Let alone a business in a small market like esports. Much less possibility of making money. Has nothing to do with skills. Players need to have value in order for the business or team to make back their money and pay the players. It's not that shocking that incontrol has a higher value for EG.


Sarcasm does not seem to work out to well here. I know why Incontrol will never be cut from EG. I just think its funny when he has that position considering how bad he is. Sad for a guy like Axslav but hey, life will never be fair.


Was the official word for Axlav leaving EG really that he was bad? Just asking!

They didn't get enough ROI on him. Which is stupid seeming as they never sent him to events to find out...there was ESWC and he made it out of his group and lost to Stephano who went on to win the whole thing, and that was it :-/

they sent him to multiple MLGs and every tournament he qualified for.

I like Axslav, I think he is a very good player and will surprise people this year. I also think that EG wanted to keep him, but didnt make as good as an offer as Reign. Also I believe Axslav used to live in San Jose before he moved into the EG Lair. The Reign house is very close to San Jose.
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Pokebunny
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States10654 Posts
February 16 2012 14:19 GMT
#115
On February 16 2012 17:10 jmbthirteen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!

your assuming axslav got kicked from EG. ever think Reign just made a better offer?


Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 17:02 Ruscour wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:59 FrooK wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:52 purpose wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:31 BloodThirsty wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


You must be young because you have no idea how much it costs to run a business. Let alone a business in a small market like esports. Much less possibility of making money. Has nothing to do with skills. Players need to have value in order for the business or team to make back their money and pay the players. It's not that shocking that incontrol has a higher value for EG.


Sarcasm does not seem to work out to well here. I know why Incontrol will never be cut from EG. I just think its funny when he has that position considering how bad he is. Sad for a guy like Axslav but hey, life will never be fair.


Was the official word for Axlav leaving EG really that he was bad? Just asking!

They didn't get enough ROI on him. Which is stupid seeming as they never sent him to events to find out...there was ESWC and he made it out of his group and lost to Stephano who went on to win the whole thing, and that was it :-/

they sent him to multiple MLGs and every tournament he qualified for.

I like Axslav, I think he is a very good player and will surprise people this year. I also think that EG wanted to keep him, but didnt make as good as an offer as Reign. Also I believe Axslav used to live in San Jose before he moved into the EG Lair. The Reign house is very close to San Jose.

Axslav's parting with EG was decided before any offer from ReIGN. And EG did send him to events - he went to at least three or four MLGs as well as IEM NY for EG. EG is a team based on big name individuals and building those as a team, and Axslav is much more suited for ReIGN which gives him a solid practce environment with good players and gives him plenty of room to build up his skill and popularity.
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hmunkey
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom1973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 14:51:51
February 16 2012 14:51 GMT
#116
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!

Yeah, exactly.
Part of being a successful team is having money, and getting money is entirely dependent on sponsorships. Popularity sells.

This should be pretty obvious unless you live in a dream world.
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
February 16 2012 15:10 GMT
#117
Wow, my prediction was 100% accurate! (Axslav 3-1 Destiny)

And about Axslav leaving EG instead of iNcontroL....there's more to it than just that incontrol is "funny" and that's honestly a pretty stupid thing to say...

Really, even though Axslav is probably better than incontrol, they basically had similar results, according to their Liquipedia results pages. (In every tournament they entered, they were around the top 20-30). Except for MLG, which I don't think counts, since incontrol was seeded into the champ bracket automatically and Axslav had to go through the open.

And if you check out interviews FROM EG's management, for example, an interview with SirScoots, he even says: "There's no harder worker for EG than Geoff, not only to make himself great, but to make everybody else great." There's more to getting a player than if he is good or not, it's also about what he can do for the team. If you check out the EG practice that is streamed very frequently, you can see how much all of the other players improve and appreciate his comments. If anything, they'll "promote" him to team coach or something.

And while I agree they're not keeping him on for the results, to say that he's just "funny" is retarded. He's a guy who represents the team well, and he's a great asset to the players, both gameplay wise and yes, being funny to keep their spirits up.

While I love both Axslav and iNcontroL, I have to say that Axslav leaving EG was probably a good thing for him. He will have way more exposure on RGN, which is still a growing team that hasn't really made their mark yet. Yes, you might say KiWiKaKi is on the team, and that makes the team already popular, but it's more like Kiwi is the only reason that most people even know the team exists at all.

tl;dr: I agree Axslav is probably better than iNcontroL but there's more to this business than just signing the best players always and people can contribute in different ways. Axslav is probably better off in RGN and will get more exposure anyways.
Done with Team Liquid for a while. Don't expect to find me here.
KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 15:26:59
February 16 2012 15:22 GMT
#118
edit: gjgj Axslav <3
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KicKDoG
Profile Joined December 2003
Sweden765 Posts
February 16 2012 15:26 GMT
#119
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


I don't think you know anything about EG do you? That's not how it works dude.
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ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 15:29:14
February 16 2012 15:28 GMT
#120
+ Show Spoiler +
gogo axslav
so glad he put that 'pro' gamer in his place!!!


On February 17 2012 00:26 KicKDoG wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2012 16:27 purpose wrote:
So Axslav beat destiny easy 3-1, but Incontrol lost 3-2. Why was axslav kicked from EG when incontrol is still there? Ahh yea thats right, incontrol is funny......or somehing!


I don't think you know anything about EG do you? That's not how it works dude.

its not just EG he doesnt know about. He obviously has no idea how any business works
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