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On February 09 2012 15:21 RaiKageRyu wrote:
There is still some Life left in ZeNEX.
not last long for sure haha poor Zenex
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Were any of the games good? Surely Kiwikaki put up a fight, right?
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On February 09 2012 22:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Were any of the games good? Surely Kiwikaki put up a fight, right?
Went FFE, life tried to roach bust. Gap in the wall. You can guess what happens next
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On February 09 2012 17:15 lichter wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 12:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On February 09 2012 11:58 lichter wrote:On February 09 2012 11:53 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:51 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:38 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:33 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:25 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:22 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:
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He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." yeah Abver is best ZvT in eu. What? That has nothing to do with what anyone was talking about and it's not true. But in NASTL Abver did so well against Artist as known as #1 ELO TvZer  ReIGN looking bad,i dont like it. You're trying to be funny and inflammatory, but you're just looking like an idiot, which is all I really expect from your posts. Winning a Bo1 doesn't mean that you suddenly are the "best in a match-up." However, holding a >85% win rate in a match-up over the course of almost 50 games does speak to how good he is at the match-up. Even if he's playing foreigners, winning that high of a percentage of games is ridiculous Artist TLPDOn February 09 2012 11:36 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:17 sitromit wrote:On February 09 2012 11:14 turamn wrote:
Not to take anything away from Life here, but hes not exactly beating anyone special. Its not even middling code a/b players. Take a look at the list of players he took out in the Iron Squid qualifiers last weekend. He also beat Jjakji last year when he won the Korean Weekly. He's very young, and very inconsistent, but when he plays well, he's an extremely entertaining player to watch and clearly has great potential. He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." cmon this Artist dude is mediocre at best. Im not hating but he rather showed it. I fail to see why you hype him so hard everytime Just look at his record? People hype up Inori because he went 5-3 at IPL. Personally, I find consistency to be a lot more impressive than a one time flash in the pan. yeah man 90% of the games, he beat slivkowho, tefelwho, ilovesmilewho and lotta [insert random]zerg. He also managed to snatch games from Check. violet zomg. Thats gosuness imo And talking about consistency, I think no one can beat this guy for his 0-0 record in kr. So infinitely consistent Artist is good TvZ man,he beat DIMAGA,viOlet,Lucky and SymboL... don't underestimate him. Beating those players makes him decent at TvZ. Lucky is barely Code S, now back down to Code A. Good at TvZ means beating code S zergs like Curious Great at TvZ means beating DRG or Leenock and other top tier zergs. Foreigner win rate is a weak argument =/ ah so being good at matchup is only when you win vP vs MC, vT when you win vs MVP, MMA and vs Z when you win vs Nestea and DRG, otherwise you suck, oke got it. Exactly. Also, <3 PS. Didn't say one sucks unless he beats those guys, but one needs to prove himself against highly rated opponents consistently before being labeled good compared to other professionals.
The guy has wins over Lucky, NeeL (TSL Symbol), DIMAGA, Nerchio, etc. What more do you want? And he has a >85% win rate after that. THAT'S CONSISTENTLY BEATING HIGH RATED OPPONENTS! He is good at TvZ, people who say otherwise are ignorant.
On February 09 2012 11:51 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 11:38 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:33 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:25 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:22 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:17 sitromit wrote:On February 09 2012 11:14 turamn wrote:
Not to take anything away from Life here, but hes not exactly beating anyone special. Its not even middling code a/b players. Take a look at the list of players he took out in the Iron Squid qualifiers last weekend. He also beat Jjakji last year when he won the Korean Weekly. He's very young, and very inconsistent, but when he plays well, he's an extremely entertaining player to watch and clearly has great potential. He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." yeah Abver is best ZvT in eu. What? That has nothing to do with what anyone was talking about and it's not true. But in NASTL Abver did so well against Artist as known as #1 ELO TvZer ReIGN looking bad,i dont like it. You're trying to be funny and inflammatory, but you're just looking like an idiot, which is all I really expect from your posts. Winning a Bo1 doesn't mean that you suddenly are the "best in a match-up." However, holding a >85% win rate in a match-up over the course of almost 50 games does speak to how good he is at the match-up. Even if he's playing foreigners, winning that high of a percentage of games is ridiculous Artist TLPDOn February 09 2012 11:36 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:17 sitromit wrote:On February 09 2012 11:14 turamn wrote:
Not to take anything away from Life here, but hes not exactly beating anyone special. Its not even middling code a/b players. Take a look at the list of players he took out in the Iron Squid qualifiers last weekend. He also beat Jjakji last year when he won the Korean Weekly. He's very young, and very inconsistent, but when he plays well, he's an extremely entertaining player to watch and clearly has great potential. He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." cmon this Artist dude is mediocre at best. Im not hating but he rather showed it. I fail to see why you hype him so hard everytime Just look at his record? People hype up Inori because he went 5-3 at IPL. Personally, I find consistency to be a lot more impressive than a one time flash in the pan. yeah man 90% of the games, he beat slivkowho, tefelwho, ilovesmilewho and lotta [insert random]zerg. He also managed to snatch games from Check. violet zomg. Thats gosuness imo And talking about consistency, I think no one can beat this guy for his 0-0 record in kr. So infinitely consistent
Everybody's record in the foreign community is littered with random people they've played, but you'd be hard pressed to find a record that good over that many games that isn't considered a top tier player. Also your definition of a good player is stupid, to say the least. I'm not saying that Artist is Code S quality, I'm saying that his TvZ alone could compete at a Code A level.
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On February 09 2012 22:57 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Were any of the games good? Surely Kiwikaki put up a fight, right?
Sadly, that was probably the worst game of the set.
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On February 10 2012 09:45 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 17:15 lichter wrote:On February 09 2012 12:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On February 09 2012 11:58 lichter wrote:On February 09 2012 11:53 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:51 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:38 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:33 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:25 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:22 dragonborn wrote:
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yeah Abver is best ZvT in eu. What? That has nothing to do with what anyone was talking about and it's not true. But in NASTL Abver did so well against Artist as known as #1 ELO TvZer ReIGN looking bad,i dont like it. You're trying to be funny and inflammatory, but you're just looking like an idiot, which is all I really expect from your posts. Winning a Bo1 doesn't mean that you suddenly are the "best in a match-up." However, holding a >85% win rate in a match-up over the course of almost 50 games does speak to how good he is at the match-up. Even if he's playing foreigners, winning that high of a percentage of games is ridiculous Artist TLPDOn February 09 2012 11:36 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:17 sitromit wrote:
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Take a look at the list of players he took out in the Iron Squid qualifiers last weekend. He also beat Jjakji last year when he won the Korean Weekly. He's very young, and very inconsistent, but when he plays well, he's an extremely entertaining player to watch and clearly has great potential. He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." cmon this Artist dude is mediocre at best. Im not hating but he rather showed it. I fail to see why you hype him so hard everytime Just look at his record? People hype up Inori because he went 5-3 at IPL. Personally, I find consistency to be a lot more impressive than a one time flash in the pan. yeah man 90% of the games, he beat slivkowho, tefelwho, ilovesmilewho and lotta [insert random]zerg. He also managed to snatch games from Check. violet zomg. Thats gosuness imo And talking about consistency, I think no one can beat this guy for his 0-0 record in kr. So infinitely consistent Artist is good TvZ man,he beat DIMAGA,viOlet,Lucky and SymboL... don't underestimate him. Beating those players makes him decent at TvZ. Lucky is barely Code S, now back down to Code A. Good at TvZ means beating code S zergs like Curious Great at TvZ means beating DRG or Leenock and other top tier zergs. Foreigner win rate is a weak argument =/ ah so being good at matchup is only when you win vP vs MC, vT when you win vs MVP, MMA and vs Z when you win vs Nestea and DRG, otherwise you suck, oke got it. Exactly. Also, <3 PS. Didn't say one sucks unless he beats those guys, but one needs to prove himself against highly rated opponents consistently before being labeled good compared to other professionals. The guy has wins over Lucky, NeeL (TSL Symbol), DIMAGA, Nerchio, etc. What more do you want? And he has a >85% win rate after that. THAT'S CONSISTENTLY BEATING HIGH RATED OPPONENTS! He is good at TvZ, people who say otherwise are ignorant. Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 11:51 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:38 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:33 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:25 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:22 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:17 sitromit wrote:On February 09 2012 11:14 turamn wrote:
Not to take anything away from Life here, but hes not exactly beating anyone special. Its not even middling code a/b players. Take a look at the list of players he took out in the Iron Squid qualifiers last weekend. He also beat Jjakji last year when he won the Korean Weekly. He's very young, and very inconsistent, but when he plays well, he's an extremely entertaining player to watch and clearly has great potential. He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." yeah Abver is best ZvT in eu. What? That has nothing to do with what anyone was talking about and it's not true. But in NASTL Abver did so well against Artist as known as #1 ELO TvZer ReIGN looking bad,i dont like it. You're trying to be funny and inflammatory, but you're just looking like an idiot, which is all I really expect from your posts. Winning a Bo1 doesn't mean that you suddenly are the "best in a match-up." However, holding a >85% win rate in a match-up over the course of almost 50 games does speak to how good he is at the match-up. Even if he's playing foreigners, winning that high of a percentage of games is ridiculous Artist TLPDOn February 09 2012 11:36 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:17 sitromit wrote:On February 09 2012 11:14 turamn wrote:
Not to take anything away from Life here, but hes not exactly beating anyone special. Its not even middling code a/b players. Take a look at the list of players he took out in the Iron Squid qualifiers last weekend. He also beat Jjakji last year when he won the Korean Weekly. He's very young, and very inconsistent, but when he plays well, he's an extremely entertaining player to watch and clearly has great potential. He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." cmon this Artist dude is mediocre at best. Im not hating but he rather showed it. I fail to see why you hype him so hard everytime Just look at his record? People hype up Inori because he went 5-3 at IPL. Personally, I find consistency to be a lot more impressive than a one time flash in the pan. yeah man 90% of the games, he beat slivkowho, tefelwho, ilovesmilewho and lotta [insert random]zerg. He also managed to snatch games from Check. violet zomg. Thats gosuness imo And talking about consistency, I think no one can beat this guy for his 0-0 record in kr. So infinitely consistent Everybody's record in the foreign community is littered with random people they've played, but you'd be hard pressed to find a record that good over that many games that isn't considered a top tier player. Also your definition of a good player is stupid, to say the least. I'm not saying that Artist is Code S quality, I'm saying that his TvZ alone could compete at a Code A level.
true bro,i think he can compete in code S to with his TvZ.
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On February 10 2012 12:48 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 09:45 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 17:15 lichter wrote:On February 09 2012 12:03 Empire.Beastyqt wrote:On February 09 2012 11:58 lichter wrote:On February 09 2012 11:53 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:51 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:38 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:33 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:25 The Final Boss wrote:
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What? That has nothing to do with what anyone was talking about and it's not true. But in NASTL Abver did so well against Artist as known as #1 ELO TvZer ReIGN looking bad,i dont like it. You're trying to be funny and inflammatory, but you're just looking like an idiot, which is all I really expect from your posts. Winning a Bo1 doesn't mean that you suddenly are the "best in a match-up." However, holding a >85% win rate in a match-up over the course of almost 50 games does speak to how good he is at the match-up. Even if he's playing foreigners, winning that high of a percentage of games is ridiculous Artist TLPDOn February 09 2012 11:36 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:
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He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." cmon this Artist dude is mediocre at best. Im not hating but he rather showed it. I fail to see why you hype him so hard everytime Just look at his record? People hype up Inori because he went 5-3 at IPL. Personally, I find consistency to be a lot more impressive than a one time flash in the pan. yeah man 90% of the games, he beat slivkowho, tefelwho, ilovesmilewho and lotta [insert random]zerg. He also managed to snatch games from Check. violet zomg. Thats gosuness imo And talking about consistency, I think no one can beat this guy for his 0-0 record in kr. So infinitely consistent Artist is good TvZ man,he beat DIMAGA,viOlet,Lucky and SymboL... don't underestimate him. Beating those players makes him decent at TvZ. Lucky is barely Code S, now back down to Code A. Good at TvZ means beating code S zergs like Curious Great at TvZ means beating DRG or Leenock and other top tier zergs. Foreigner win rate is a weak argument =/ ah so being good at matchup is only when you win vP vs MC, vT when you win vs MVP, MMA and vs Z when you win vs Nestea and DRG, otherwise you suck, oke got it. Exactly. Also, <3 PS. Didn't say one sucks unless he beats those guys, but one needs to prove himself against highly rated opponents consistently before being labeled good compared to other professionals. The guy has wins over Lucky, NeeL (TSL Symbol), DIMAGA, Nerchio, etc. What more do you want? And he has a >85% win rate after that. THAT'S CONSISTENTLY BEATING HIGH RATED OPPONENTS! He is good at TvZ, people who say otherwise are ignorant. On February 09 2012 11:51 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:38 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:33 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:25 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:22 dragonborn wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:17 sitromit wrote:On February 09 2012 11:14 turamn wrote:
Not to take anything away from Life here, but hes not exactly beating anyone special. Its not even middling code a/b players. Take a look at the list of players he took out in the Iron Squid qualifiers last weekend. He also beat Jjakji last year when he won the Korean Weekly. He's very young, and very inconsistent, but when he plays well, he's an extremely entertaining player to watch and clearly has great potential. He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." yeah Abver is best ZvT in eu. What? That has nothing to do with what anyone was talking about and it's not true. But in NASTL Abver did so well against Artist as known as #1 ELO TvZer ReIGN looking bad,i dont like it. You're trying to be funny and inflammatory, but you're just looking like an idiot, which is all I really expect from your posts. Winning a Bo1 doesn't mean that you suddenly are the "best in a match-up." However, holding a >85% win rate in a match-up over the course of almost 50 games does speak to how good he is at the match-up. Even if he's playing foreigners, winning that high of a percentage of games is ridiculous Artist TLPDOn February 09 2012 11:36 Arceus wrote:On February 09 2012 11:20 The Final Boss wrote:On February 09 2012 11:17 sitromit wrote:On February 09 2012 11:14 turamn wrote:
Not to take anything away from Life here, but hes not exactly beating anyone special. Its not even middling code a/b players. Take a look at the list of players he took out in the Iron Squid qualifiers last weekend. He also beat Jjakji last year when he won the Korean Weekly. He's very young, and very inconsistent, but when he plays well, he's an extremely entertaining player to watch and clearly has great potential. He was pretty clearly talking about this specific match. No one is going to try to deny that Life is really good (well nobody who knows anything about SC2). Beating Artist would certainly be beating someone "special." cmon this Artist dude is mediocre at best. Im not hating but he rather showed it. I fail to see why you hype him so hard everytime Just look at his record? People hype up Inori because he went 5-3 at IPL. Personally, I find consistency to be a lot more impressive than a one time flash in the pan. yeah man 90% of the games, he beat slivkowho, tefelwho, ilovesmilewho and lotta [insert random]zerg. He also managed to snatch games from Check. violet zomg. Thats gosuness imo And talking about consistency, I think no one can beat this guy for his 0-0 record in kr. So infinitely consistent Everybody's record in the foreign community is littered with random people they've played, but you'd be hard pressed to find a record that good over that many games that isn't considered a top tier player. Also your definition of a good player is stupid, to say the least. I'm not saying that Artist is Code S quality, I'm saying that his TvZ alone could compete at a Code A level. true bro,i think he can compete in code S to with his TvZ.
Not enough Zergs left in Code S. And the fires of competition have purged the weak.
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On February 10 2012 09:45 The Final Boss wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 17:15 lichter wrote:
Exactly.
Also, <3
PS. Didn't say one sucks unless he beats those guys, but one needs to prove himself against highly rated opponents consistently before being labeled good compared to other professionals. The guy has wins over Lucky, NeeL (TSL Symbol), DIMAGA, Nerchio, etc. What more do you want? And he has a >85% win rate after that. THAT'S CONSISTENTLY BEATING HIGH RATED OPPONENTS! He is good at TvZ, people who say otherwise are ignorant.
Man that (the nested quotes that were so long) was so difficult to shorten.
Anyway
Didn't say he's bad at it. But there are only so many levels of goodness (decent -> good -> great -> godly?) when it comes to pros. Obviously godly means being the best TvZer in the world. Great is Code S. Good is Code A. Decent is beating the best foreigners / Code B contender. See, I am not insulting him when I say his TvZ is decent, in fact it means he's probably one of the best in the foreign scene.
For reference, at masters my ZvT is atrocious.
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