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Welcome to the Korean StarCraft II League Daily! The KSL is sponsored by own3d.tv and can be viewed as an European event series that features the Korean Pro-Teams. The KSL is a series of daily matches between top Korean players from the teams Prime, oGs, NSHoSeo, MVP, ZeNEX, StarTale, Incredible Miracle, and FXOpen. Today's Line-Up! Sunday, 29th January! 14:00 GMT (+00:00):http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Korean_StarCraft_II_League_Daily/2012/Team_League_-_JanuarySEMIFINALS (Winner will versus HoSeo) Prime vs. MvPMatch 1:BBoongBBoong < Dual Sight > finale+ Show Spoiler [Match 2 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 3 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 4 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 5 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 6 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 7 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 8 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 9 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 10 Players] ++ Show Spoiler [Match 11 Players] +http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Korean_StarCraft_II_League_Daily/2012/Team_League_-_January+ Show Spoiler [Today's Overall Results] +Matches will be broadcast by a variety of commentators including KatuStarcraft (English), Khaldor (English), TheKSL (Korean), GoodGameRU (Russian) , sc2tv.ru (Russian) as well as a German commentator. Banners by shiroiusagi Template by VirgilSC2
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Woa, BBB vs Finale right for the start, sick :D MVP should win this, but we never know.
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Gogogo Prime! I hope that we will see a lot of MarineKing games
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Could be epic, is Katu casting today?
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On January 29 2012 22:54 Full.tilt wrote: Could be epic, is Katu casting today?
looks like it! Khaldor or Katu I cannot choose o.O
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Well I don't want to start and caster nonsense (honest) but I am happy
Hopefully Maru get's a game this time!
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Khaldor <3
MvP Fighting MvP Easy win
MvP 6-3 Prime
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Hahaha, the show is already on !
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Hmm, this is the same way (1 cannon + chrono zealot) MC held it off when Leenock did it, isn't it?
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lol what a start Proxy hatch into expand? Prefer Spanishiwa's proxy evolution chamber + lings personally.
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Just tuned in. Did Bboongbboong hatch first at Finales's natural?
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yep, let it finish even though a cannon had already hit it half a dozen times.
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Finale canceled his observer. He is quite dead, I fear. Edit: er, proved wrong within seconds... but I blame that terrible army control!
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Wow BBB handled that pretty badly TT
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On January 29 2012 23:16 MrCon wrote: Wow BBB handled that pretty badly TT
He wanted to do a mass-Muta switch, I guess, so he had to sacrifice some part of his army. Not that bad trading inefficiently if you're ahead in economy and doing so will keep your opponent's army low.
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BBoongBBoong with his usual good ZvP, but Dual Sight is very good for zerg so this was expected. Go Prime :D
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On January 29 2012 23:17 Inflicted_ wrote:He wanted to do a mass-Muta switch, I guess, so he had to sacrifice some part of his army. Yeah but he could have bee nway more cost effective with his sacrifice :D With the infestors alone he could have done more damage that he did with infestor + army.
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On January 29 2012 23:18 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:17 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 29 2012 23:16 MrCon wrote: Wow BBB handled that pretty badly TT He wanted to do a mass-Muta switch, I guess, so he had to sacrifice some part of his army. Yeah but he could have bee nway more cost effective with his sacrifice :D With the infestors alone he could have done more damage that he did with infestor + army.
Yeah. Even with that trade, if he had just saved the infestors, it would've still been a good trade imo.
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This tournament and Katu needs a lot more love. This is as good as GSTL for me
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Always nice to see a zerg keep up the constant pressure and really swarm an opponent. gg BBBB
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On January 29 2012 23:21 frucisky wrote: This tournament and Katu needs a lot more love. This is as good as GSTL for me
for reals.. what is up with 300~ ish viewers..
some of these games are pretty darn entertaining
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The game lags
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On this map Dream will probably win. I want BBoongBBoong to win for Prime but I don't want to see the terran lose either t;t
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On January 29 2012 23:29 gideel wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:21 frucisky wrote: This tournament and Katu needs a lot more love. This is as good as GSTL for me for reals.. what is up with 300~ ish viewers.. some of these games are pretty darn entertaining
Over 3k on Khaldor's stream, which is what I'm watching, nearly 4k total between all three. But yeah, there are usually some pretty good games, too bad more people don't watch KSL.
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BBB is morphing everything to BL TT
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This map is ridiculous. So hard ZvT I feel Zergs should just cheese terrans on this map
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Impressive defense from Dream
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Dream has so many medivacs
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Nice game by Dream, showing how to play standard tvz
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That's why i just LOVE Antiga for TvZ. Peoeple and caster keep saying it's a zerg favored map, but once terran etablish the 4th on the middle base with a planetary and control the watch tower, it's just so easy to deny zerg 4th again and again.
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Nice game from Dream, though I didn't see the point with the fast Greater Spire when Bboong understood that Dream had gone dual expand; you'll have to max on tier2 anyway to deal with the Terran near-max push, so you won't be able to have Broodlords much earlier than “regular” timings. Besides, he stopped producing Mutas to transition to Hive, so his small fleet couldn't really threaten anything.
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On January 29 2012 23:46 Noocta wrote: That's why i just LOVE Antiga for TvZ. Peoeple and caster keep saying it's a zerg favored map, but once terran etablish the 4th on the middle base with a planetary and control the watch tower, it's just so easy to deny zerg 4th again and again.
I don't know many people who think it's a zerg map, I think you're spot on with your opinion of the map.
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On January 29 2012 23:46 Noocta wrote: That's why i just LOVE Antiga for TvZ. Peoeple and caster keep saying it's a zerg favored map, but once terran etablish the 4th on the middle base with a planetary and control the watch tower, it's just so easy to deny zerg 4th again and again.
Yeah very surprised TvZ is only 40% according to liquipedia, I'd imagine it was the other way round judging from the majority of games I've seen on it.
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On January 29 2012 23:48 milesfacade wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2012 23:46 Noocta wrote: That's why i just LOVE Antiga for TvZ. Peoeple and caster keep saying it's a zerg favored map, but once terran etablish the 4th on the middle base with a planetary and control the watch tower, it's just so easy to deny zerg 4th again and again. I don't know many people who think it's a zerg map, I think you're spot on with your opinion of the map.
It's because of DRG and a few other zergs who play a specific style tailored for the map, where they constantly destroy any push the Terran makes while expanding at the sides which is easy to defend if you've got the Terran contained. If you can do this style properly, it makes you look in control of the game and so dominant in the match-up.
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Jesus that was awesome, keeping the sentries occupied, mass EMP then backing into the choke.
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Dream is really good! Got into a lead and was so methodical and active that he totally shut out classic attempts to get back into the game.
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Creator? But maybe save him for sC
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I wouldn't manner MULE... 18 minuts to kill a Protoss who lost his Nexus to a bunker rush out of 1 rax... :x
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Not the best way to put ur name out there
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wtf why would he pull out just before killing the first bunker. why would he attack the bunker and ignore the repariing scv
I get so annoyed when I see a pro player lose to bunker rushes like this ><
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prime clearly doesn't know how to deal with bunker rushes.
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Seriously how does Prime fall to bunker rushes when they train with MKP
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On January 30 2012 00:08 frucisky wrote: wtf why would he pull out. I get so annoyed when I see a pro player lose to bunker rushes like this ><
Lol, you should've watched MKP vs Line. He had terrible defence and lost to a proxy-2rax... two games in a row.
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On January 30 2012 00:09 Zeroxk wrote: Seriously how does Prime fall to bunker rushes when they train with MKP I don't think it's useful to practice against MKP's 2rax since he can beat any zerg with it multiple times in a row. You'll just get frustrated
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On January 30 2012 00:09 Zeroxk wrote: Seriously how does Prime fall to bunker rushes when they train with MKP
cuz they cant stop it when MKP does it and get into depression mode probably...
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On January 30 2012 00:09 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:08 frucisky wrote: wtf why would he pull out. I get so annoyed when I see a pro player lose to bunker rushes like this >< Lol, you should've watched MKP vs Line. He had terrible defence and lost to a proxy-2rax... twice in a row. You should've watched boxer vs yellow
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YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream.
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I always ask myself why Engi bay can't lift off like they did in BW.
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On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. What's the naama wall-in? Wasn't paying attention to the game
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On January 30 2012 00:16 Noocta wrote: I always ask myself why Engi bay can't lift off like they did in BW. I always ask myself why bunkers can salvage, unlike BW
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On January 30 2012 00:17 frucisky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:16 Noocta wrote: I always ask myself why Engi bay can't lift off like they did in BW. I always ask myself why bunkers can salvage, unlike BW
Touche!
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This is so painful to watch.
Bring out Creator plz >_<
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On January 30 2012 00:17 frucisky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:16 Noocta wrote: I always ask myself why Engi bay can't lift off like they did in BW. I always ask myself why bunkers can salvage, unlike BW
Haha, you win here. :d
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MVP seem to have a different player each week that demolishes the team they're facing.
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On January 30 2012 00:21 Asha` wrote: MVP seem to have a different player each week that demolishes the team they're facing. Edit: Nvm I must be thinking of another player. Anyway it's nice seeing him doing so well since he's really young(15).
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Pretty easy win for Dream there. All kill incomming?
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On January 30 2012 00:21 Asha` wrote: MVP seem to have a different player each week that demolishes the team they're facing. Why mvp will win the GSTL. Strongest and most versatile team!
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On January 30 2012 00:21 Asha` wrote: MVP seem to have a different player each week that demolishes the team they're facing.
mvp best team league team !!
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Looks this this is turning into a...
*puts on sunglasses*
...Nightmare.
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On January 30 2012 00:16 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. What's the naama wall-in? Wasn't paying attention to the game
Getting a second supply depot to wall your main in before you get an Orbital so that you can deny scouting. Delays mining from MULEs and your gases but I reckon it's really worth it because Protoss is forced to guess what you are doing and has to go with a really safe build or go all-in (either 1gate Nexus into Robo or some all-in). That restricts your opponents options and you can take advantage of it.
Basically, I love the Naama wall-in, but hardly any TvP players do it.
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On January 30 2012 00:23 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:16 dmnum wrote:On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. What's the naama wall-in? Wasn't paying attention to the game Getting a second supply depot to wall your main in before you get an Orbital so that you can deny scouting. Delays mining from MULEs and your gases but I reckon it's really worth it because Protoss is forced to guess what you are doing and has to go with a really safe build or go all-in (either 1gate Nexus into Robo or some all-in). That restricts your opponents options and you can take advantage of it. Basically, I love the Naama wall-in, but hardly any TvP players do it. Oh, I see. Thanks.
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On January 30 2012 00:23 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:16 dmnum wrote:On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. What's the naama wall-in? Wasn't paying attention to the game Getting a second supply depot to wall your main in before you get an Orbital so that you can deny scouting. Delays mining from MULEs and your gases but I reckon it's really worth it because Protoss is forced to guess what you are doing and has to go with a really safe build or go all-in (either 1gate Nexus into Robo or some all-in). That restricts your opponents options and you can take advantage of it. Basically, I love the Naama wall-in, but hardly any TvP players do it. Meh, I don't think it's a big deal at all. You really don't have to react with anything in particular since if you're gonna go 15 nexus, you're gonna do it before you scout anyway. I mean, gas or no gas 1 gate expand is fine. And there's definitely FE builds that work off gas. Mine 50 gas, let them scout, reactor barracks, expand.
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On January 30 2012 00:23 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:16 dmnum wrote:On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. What's the naama wall-in? Wasn't paying attention to the game Getting a second supply depot to wall your main in before you get an Orbital so that you can deny scouting. Delays mining from MULEs and your gases but I reckon it's really worth it because Protoss is forced to guess what you are doing and has to go with a really safe build or go all-in (either 1gate Nexus into Robo or some all-in). That restricts your opponents options and you can take advantage of it. Basically, I love the Naama wall-in, but hardly any TvP players do it.
That only delays OC if you get 13 gas, right? At least that's my experience, but I'm not good at optimizing mining.
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Amusing fact marineking is the only terran dream has beaten according to his TLPD.
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On January 30 2012 00:23 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:16 dmnum wrote:On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. What's the naama wall-in? Wasn't paying attention to the game Getting a second supply depot to wall your main in before you get an Orbital so that you can deny scouting. Delays mining from MULEs and your gases but I reckon it's really worth it because Protoss is forced to guess what you are doing and has to go with a really safe build or go all-in (either 1gate Nexus into Robo or some all-in). That restricts your opponents options and you can take advantage of it. Basically, I love the Naama wall-in, but hardly any TvP players do it. Oh interesting, I've been doing this sometimes. Didn't know it had a name :D
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dream is seriously the king of team leagues, he always ends up taking out at LEAST 2 players, it's such a shame that he falls short of qualifying for GSL iirc
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mvp is so sick good
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On January 30 2012 00:26 Fusilero wrote: Amusing fact marineking is the only terran dream has beaten according to his TLPD. Haha :D MKP is good again anyway, I hope he'll do well and continue his hot streak.
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On January 30 2012 00:26 Fusilero wrote: Amusing fact marineking is the only terran dream has beaten according to his TLPD. He beat Hack and some others as well in special leagues. MKP so ez
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Siege tanks in unsieged mode still has so much dps.
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If they send DRG I'll love MVP forever for giving us such a matchup
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Well I guess Byun or creator are their last hope now, puppy terran reversal incoming. Oh my I'm derp I swore that MKP had lost it lol.
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On January 30 2012 00:33 Inflicted_ wrote: Siege tanks in unsieged mode still has so much dps. Yeah, it has more dps unsieged iirc, unless you compare it with a sieged shoot that splash on a lot of targets.
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I'm hoping this goes late and mvp has to bring out the big guns. I'd love to see genius or drg play, preview of group D. But I doubt they'd do it and reveal their gsl strats
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On January 30 2012 00:34 MrCon wrote:If the send DRG I'll love MVP forever for giving us such a matchup It's too risky to send DRG because if he loses they won't have anybody strong enough to take both MKP and Creator. They will try to snipe MKP with other players and then send out DRG as the ace
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On January 30 2012 00:34 MrCon wrote:If the send DRG I'll love MVP forever for giving us such a matchup
Why MVP?
Oh the team... *facepalm*
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On January 30 2012 00:34 MrCon wrote:If the send DRG I'll love MVP forever for giving us such a matchup Only if it turns out to be a good game
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On January 30 2012 00:35 Pandain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:34 MrCon wrote:If the send DRG I'll love MVP forever for giving us such a matchup Why MVP? MVP, the team ^^ Yeah I doubt they'd send DRG too, but that would be amazing to have such a matchup in an impromptu fashion, even for a bo1 only.
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The KSL stream in korean has the best observing, I'm watching it now.
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On January 30 2012 00:26 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:23 SeaSwift wrote:On January 30 2012 00:16 dmnum wrote:On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. What's the naama wall-in? Wasn't paying attention to the game Getting a second supply depot to wall your main in before you get an Orbital so that you can deny scouting. Delays mining from MULEs and your gases but I reckon it's really worth it because Protoss is forced to guess what you are doing and has to go with a really safe build or go all-in (either 1gate Nexus into Robo or some all-in). That restricts your opponents options and you can take advantage of it. Basically, I love the Naama wall-in, but hardly any TvP players do it. Meh, I don't think it's a big deal at all. You really don't have to react with anything in particular since if you're gonna go 15 nexus, you're gonna do it before you scout anyway. I mean, gas or no gas 1 gate expand is fine. And there's definitely FE builds that work off gas. Mine 50 gas, let them scout, reactor barracks, expand.
Yeah, if you are going for a 15 Nexus then you can't really scout before you put down the Nexus anyway, but it does allow you to put up about 4 Barracks behind your wall-off really quickly and then counter his Nexus first (assuming you scouted it), and your opponent will have no idea it is coming. See Puma vs Hero DHW Finals Game 4: Hero went Nexus first, but scouted Puma last so didn't see Puma putting up 4 Barracks and going all-in. Imagine that happening every PvT: Nexus first would become basically unviable in PvT.
The point is that you can do pretty much anything behind the wall-off, and your opponent doesn't even get his probe scout in. That means they have to either prepare for every eventuality, guess what you are doing or go for a super fast Robo/Stargate/Hallu, none of which are particularly viable opening builds unless you are proxying the Stargate for an all-in.
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On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. Exactly why do you call this “Naama wall-in”? Second Depot to wall before the Probe enters your base seems like a common trick to me.
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On January 30 2012 00:39 TheDwf wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:14 SeaSwift wrote: YEAAAAAAH was that a Naama wall-in? Good boy Dream. Exactly why do you call this “Naama wall-in”? Second Depot to wall before the Probe enters your base seems like a common trick to me.
Naama showed it in the first Dreamhack Winter, similar to a Maka-rax or the "Stephano build". None of them are particularly unique to their players any more, but all were showed/popularized by their respective player.
Naama still does it in his TvP, AFAIK. He showed it at HSC4.
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lol. no anti air
seriously terrible.
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lol, the HongUn build.
Go for colossus, but make no stalkers >_<
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Marine King always hits the best timings...
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Mkp has an awesome unit control...
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I blinked. What happened?
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Hahahaha. MVP will need to send out their big boys I guess :D. Gogo MarineKing crush them all
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lol roflstomped. Those hyper passive games that end in a single fight are the bane of sc2. But Vampire could have done way better ><
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those zealots melted like butter on fire, lol
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On January 30 2012 00:48 frucisky wrote: I blinked. What happened?
Colossus aren't so good when 4 vikings can just wander over and kill them untouched.
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MKP was way ahead in supply I dont think Vampire showed good macro there.
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So who is the last player Prime will send out?
Creator?
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On January 30 2012 00:50 Pandain wrote: So who is the last player Prime will send out?
Creator? Prime has no one left but MKP. Mvp has 2 more left EDIT: my bad, thought this was BO9, but yeah Prime still don't need to send a last player if MKP keeps winning
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On January 30 2012 00:50 secretary bird wrote: MKP was way ahead in supply I dont think Vampire showed good macro there. He invested a lot in his upgrades, and protoss always have less supply, that's how the race works. He displayed an unsafe unit-composition and he was too hurry/greedy with his forcefields (4 forcefields for one marine sup?)
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On January 30 2012 00:51 spacer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:50 Pandain wrote: So who is the last player Prime will send out?
Creator? Prime has no one left but MKP. Mvp has 2 more left
This is bo11
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On January 30 2012 00:51 spacer wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:50 Pandain wrote: So who is the last player Prime will send out?
Creator? Prime has no one left but MKP. Mvp has 2 more left
It's a bo11 so Prime has 1 player left. I'd guess Creator too (Byun would be okay too, but dunno if he's allowed to compete again)
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Poor khaldor waiting all the time , bet on keen
EDIT: damn it, I was too late!
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On January 30 2012 00:52 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:51 spacer wrote:On January 30 2012 00:50 Pandain wrote: So who is the last player Prime will send out?
Creator? Prime has no one left but MKP. Mvp has 2 more left It's a bo11 so Prime has 1 player left. I'd guess Creator too (Byun would be okay too, but dunno if he's allowed to compete again) Byun competed in some teamleague recently - I can remember which though
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Hope MVP can get revenge against Keen for the GSTL finals
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Noo, Khaldor! Always-on healthbars are terrible on stream. Don't listen to the masses! Forgive them for they do not know what they do!
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haha i dont kiss and tell i fuck and brag
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Mmmmm... Hilltop Hoods. Also, let's go MVP!!
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On January 30 2012 00:51 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:50 secretary bird wrote: MKP was way ahead in supply I dont think Vampire showed good macro there. He invested a lot in his upgrades, and protoss always have less supply, that's how the race works. He displayed an unsafe unit-composition and he was too hurry/greedy with his forcefields (4 forcefields for one marine sup?) yeah, I don't really like colossus tech with upgrades that early...
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On January 30 2012 00:54 rpgalon wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:51 Poopi wrote:On January 30 2012 00:50 secretary bird wrote: MKP was way ahead in supply I dont think Vampire showed good macro there. He invested a lot in his upgrades, and protoss always have less supply, that's how the race works. He displayed an unsafe unit-composition and he was too hurry/greedy with his forcefields (4 forcefields for one marine sup?) yeah, I don't really like colossus tech with upgrades that early...
double forge with twilight tech then a colossus with later seems better and safer indeed.
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Thought I'd give a shout out too Khaldor for his great solo-casting. Informative, intelligent, and funny. Been awhile since I noticed good casting.
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On January 30 2012 00:51 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:50 secretary bird wrote: MKP was way ahead in supply I dont think Vampire showed good macro there. He invested a lot in his upgrades, and protoss always have less supply, that's how the race works. He displayed an unsafe unit-composition and he was too hurry/greedy with his forcefields (4 forcefields for one marine sup?)
I know but not by that much. Against Dream MKP was ahead for no reason as well I dont think these guys are on his level.
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On January 30 2012 00:57 secretary bird wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:51 Poopi wrote:On January 30 2012 00:50 secretary bird wrote: MKP was way ahead in supply I dont think Vampire showed good macro there. He invested a lot in his upgrades, and protoss always have less supply, that's how the race works. He displayed an unsafe unit-composition and he was too hurry/greedy with his forcefields (4 forcefields for one marine sup?) I know but not by that much. Against Dream MKP was ahead for no reason as well I dont think these guys are on his level. Of course they are not on his level :x. Only the top stars like DRG & Genius are in the same league as MarineKing. KeeN was able to look good against him in the past in the mech-era when MKP had his worst TvT but now it will be difficult
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On January 30 2012 00:58 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 00:57 secretary bird wrote:On January 30 2012 00:51 Poopi wrote:On January 30 2012 00:50 secretary bird wrote: MKP was way ahead in supply I dont think Vampire showed good macro there. He invested a lot in his upgrades, and protoss always have less supply, that's how the race works. He displayed an unsafe unit-composition and he was too hurry/greedy with his forcefields (4 forcefields for one marine sup?) I know but not by that much. Against Dream MKP was ahead for no reason as well I dont think these guys are on his level. Of course they are not on his level :x. Only the top stars like DRG & Genius are in the same league as MarineKing. KeeN was able to look good against him in the past in the mech-era when MKP had his worst TvT but now it will be difficult
True that was stating the obvious but he showed his superior macro in those games is all I meant to say.
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Marineking is on FIRE !!!!!!!!!
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MKP looks like he's decided to become good again, just in time for GSL.
Interesting. Don't think you can count anyone out in his Ro16 group.
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Just don't get the build from Keen? marauder/hellion with fairly late stim is never going to do much against any kind of marine/tank push? =/
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On January 30 2012 01:04 Asha` wrote: Just don't get the build from Keen? marauder/hellion with late stim is never going to do much against any kind of marine/tank push? =/ Korean metagame is evolving fast, and MKP ladders a lot so KeeN may have overthought
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MKP floating 1k minerals & 700 gas, must be thinking he won this already lol.
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I'm just impressed he's held off again and again...
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MarineKing in shape OR WHAT? YAYYY
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On January 30 2012 01:06 Poilon wrote: what a GG timing ! :p
It's not over until the last barracks dies!
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LOL "Sometimes the best strategy is to just fucking kill him" Does MKP watch Day9?
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Keen plays pretty well after he's already lost the game lol.
I want to know what that build was supposed to do.
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On January 30 2012 01:07 Drazerk wrote:It's not over until the last barracks dies!
Keen only made one fatal mistake:
No Raven.
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That's almost unfair !
Foxer is so good
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Genius next and then DRG?
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On January 30 2012 01:08 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:07 Drazerk wrote:On January 30 2012 01:06 Poilon wrote: what a GG timing ! :p
It's not over until the last barracks dies! Keen only made one fatal mistake: No Raven.
A safe raven build would of probably worked better for him to be fair
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HERE COMES GENIUS!!!
err… 'tis monster
hoping for genius after that!
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Gogogogo Genius or DRG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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MONSTER
Prepare for the wall-off (or not).
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On January 30 2012 01:09 hyptonic wrote: Genius next and then DRG?
Doubt they take this tournament serious enough to send out all their best players.
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why would you not send genius or drg :|
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Monster genius and drg are left for mvp i think and MKP and creator left for prime.
PRIME GOT THIS.
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On January 30 2012 01:11 ShakkaFL wrote: why would you not send genius or drg :|
Don't want to reveal their strats before Ro16.
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I guess they don't want to play Genius or DRG as they're in the same GSL group.
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send genius, I need at least one protoss to win today!!!
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On January 30 2012 01:11 ShakkaFL wrote: why would you not send genius or drg :| Maybe they want to give their lesser known players some playing time/oportunity to boost their confidence))
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On January 30 2012 01:11 RealQ wrote:Doubt they take this tournament serious enough to send out all their best players.
IM did send out LosirA/Mvp/NesTea against StarTale last time. I'm pretty sure it's worth sending out a player to win $100(not sure on prize) if they win two games.
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On January 30 2012 01:11 RealQ wrote:Doubt they take this tournament serious enough to send out all their best players.
Hmm? Most teams send there best players in KSL. We've seen MKP MC bomber DRG Supernova Jjaki leenock MVP and NesTea....
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In KSL at first they didn't send out their best players, but as it's got bigger/older more teams are going for the win rather than just messing around. That's how it seems to me, anyway.
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On January 30 2012 01:10 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:08 SeaSwift wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Drazerk wrote:On January 30 2012 01:06 Poilon wrote: what a GG timing ! :p
It's not over until the last barracks dies! Keen only made one fatal mistake: No Raven. A safe raven build would of probably worked better for him to be fair
Then he will be far behind in econ since MKP did not go for banshees. A raven cost more than an cc.
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On January 30 2012 01:12 Talionis wrote: I guess they don't want to play Genius or DRG as they're in the same GSL group.
Exactly, i thought the same thing. especially Genius : MKP is their first match-up in Ro16 of GSL code S
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On January 30 2012 01:15 bearhug wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:10 Drazerk wrote:On January 30 2012 01:08 SeaSwift wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Drazerk wrote:On January 30 2012 01:06 Poilon wrote: what a GG timing ! :p
It's not over until the last barracks dies! Keen only made one fatal mistake: No Raven. A safe raven build would of probably worked better for him to be fair Then he will be far behind in econ since MKP did not go for banshees. A raven cost more than an cc.
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It was a joke.
Also, I'm pretty sure going for a fast Raven would have worked out better than that Marauder/Hellion push...
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Monster has fuck all in the way of Overlords around the map...
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Really liking this 4 Queen build from Monster. No map control, but who cares when you have that creep spread/saturation?
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On January 30 2012 01:16 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:15 bearhug wrote:On January 30 2012 01:10 Drazerk wrote:On January 30 2012 01:08 SeaSwift wrote:On January 30 2012 01:07 Drazerk wrote:On January 30 2012 01:06 Poilon wrote: what a GG timing ! :p
It's not over until the last barracks dies! Keen only made one fatal mistake: No Raven. A safe raven build would of probably worked better for him to be fair Then he will be far behind in econ since MKP did not go for banshees. A raven cost more than an cc. ... It was a joke. Also, I'm pretty sure going for a fast Raven would have worked out better than that Marauder/Hellion push...
That's because M/H push is the worst against quick siege tank push. Pretty much every other build is better.
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On January 30 2012 01:17 SeaSwift wrote: Monster has fuck all in the way of Overlords around the map...
He learns from DRG. DRG himself even said that he thought Monster's ZvT was around the same skill-level as his own (this was said in the middle of last year though).
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Standing with his Drones under the Banshee's fire while his Overseer was morphing was unbelievably stupid.
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good old marineking no walls tvz :/ so silly
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On January 30 2012 01:22 alepoff wrote: good old marineking no walls tvz :/ so silly
He has a Starport - double supply depo wall, but didn't lift it up in time.
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On January 30 2012 01:11 SeaSwift wrote: MONSTER
Prepare for the wall-off (or not).
Sigh....
He walled off the main at least... but just left it down
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This is so over for MarineKing, he has no marines and no stim to stop mutas.
Monster should just win by getting banelings and rolling him with bling+muta.
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Yeah, typical MKP. Doesn't have a wall, or doesn't raise Depots when he has one...
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I wish that GOM would let the casters slip a curseword now and then. I can't believe how much more passionate Khaldor sounds during this cast than he does in GOM. Or maybe this just interests him more. Either way, it's a lot more fun to watch. Also, is it me, or does an MKP almost-all-kill seem pretty reasonable right now?
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MKP floating about 700 minerals, just put down about 3 Barracks MKP...
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MKP still has this I think.
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I want his micro... splitting against banes without stim *jealous*
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Monster isn't keeping enough mutas alive, he needs a bigger flock
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Well, taking gases 5 & 6 @ the 16 min mark... Monster droned his third way too late.
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On January 30 2012 01:25 Nocteo wrote: MKP still has this I think.
Yep. Don't even know what Monster is doing anymore, not droning and not being aggressive.
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Khaldor didn't realise that MKP's attack was purely to keep Monster pinned back in his base while MKP got his 3rd up.
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On January 30 2012 01:23 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:22 alepoff wrote: good old marineking no walls tvz :/ so silly He has a Starport - double supply depo wall, but didn't lift it up in time. Wasn't referring to his unlifted depots at ramp. Every terran should wall off the natural as well at this point, mk loses so many games because of this. :/ Only him and forgg keep making this mistake, pretty much everybody else just walls off. This time he didn't take a lot of dmg, but he could've just lost the game again if it were more lings / some blings.
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Cancelling Hatcheries is overrated
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Monster is throwing this game away by being so wasteful with his units...
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I wonder who MvP ace is, Genius or DRG
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omg why is EVERY mkp TvZ fucking epic
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more like MKP vs MvP at this point lol
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haha MKP games are so fun.
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On January 30 2012 01:30 Devise wrote: I wonder who MvP ace is, Genius or DRG
It might not even be Genius or DRG.
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Mkp Trollin' hard :D this game was truly epic !
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On January 30 2012 01:30 Devise wrote: I wonder who MvP ace is, Genius or DRG
I would assume Genius to snipe MKP, problem is he has to clutch it after MKP goes down >.>
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im expecting sC or noblesse
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Not a very good game from Monster, he played much better the last time the two of them played.
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MKP's macro is crazy
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Prime still has creator so i doubt it will be genius
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I'm guessing Noblesse >_>
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On January 30 2012 01:30 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:30 Devise wrote: I wonder who MvP ace is, Genius or DRG It might not even be Genius or DRG.
That would make me pretty sad, unless whoever MvP uses beats MKP and brings it to an ace match
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On January 30 2012 01:31 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:30 Devise wrote: I wonder who MvP ace is, Genius or DRG I would assume Genius to snipe MKP, problem is he has to clutch it after MKP goes down >.> How good is Creator's PvP?
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What a poor game from Monster - he was ahead after that ling runby and early muta harass but he decided to just make units and try and kill MKP.
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On January 30 2012 01:31 WigglingSquid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:31 Badfatpanda wrote:On January 30 2012 01:30 Devise wrote: I wonder who MvP ace is, Genius or DRG I would assume Genius to snipe MKP, problem is he has to clutch it after MKP goes down >.> How good is Creator's PvP?
He doesn't have the greatest pvp, but he has beat some pretty good protosses
EDIT: He beat Oz in the last KSL
Gumiho < Creator Lucky < Creator ASD < Creator Oz < Creator Leenock > Creator
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DRG woo should be a good match
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As I said MKP is really scary in teamleagues again, such a nice start of the year for him :D
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They whoop out the Dong :D
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This is what I've been waiting for this whole time =]
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okay, it's DRG vs MKP !
epic match incoming i hope
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On January 30 2012 01:33 aoe2fan wrote: Great match coming up. Marine SCV all in incoming lololololol.
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this gonna be good! hoping for a 40 minute TvZ slugfest.
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On January 30 2012 01:32 Poopi wrote: As I said MKP is really scary in teamleagues again, such a nice start of the year for him :D
From what i remember MKP didnt do that well in teamleagues in the past.
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A little taste of GSL Group D? Yes please
On January 30 2012 01:33 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:32 Poopi wrote: As I said MKP is really scary in teamleagues again, such a nice start of the year for him :D From what i remember MKP didnt do that well in teamleagues in the past.
Actually, he all killed OGS if I remember correctly and he was the biggest threat for some time in team leagues, before there was a gstl
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MKP vs DRG
FUCK YEH :DDDDDDDD
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Woot. DRG in his favorite posture. If he loses, his team loses, but if he wins, his team doesn't wins :D This is GSTL all over again !
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On January 30 2012 01:33 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:32 Poopi wrote: As I said MKP is really scary in teamleagues again, such a nice start of the year for him :D From what i remember MKP didnt do that well in teamleagues in the past.
Because they kept sending him out as ace. Now that they're sending him 2nd-4th, he's doing much better.
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MKP wants gold bases ?
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On January 30 2012 01:33 RealQ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:32 Poopi wrote: As I said MKP is really scary in teamleagues again, such a nice start of the year for him :D From what i remember MKP didnt do that well in teamleagues in the past. This is why I said again... He was scary in pre-GSTL teamleagues.
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It's the same map but with less things in the map because the other version lags in older computers.
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Kaldor it would be nice if you could lose the F words. I really don't mind but it sounds quite unprofesional from a GSL caster. Anyway next game should be epic. Go go go DRG
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DRG hyper agression incoming
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On January 30 2012 01:35 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:33 RealQ wrote:On January 30 2012 01:32 Poopi wrote: As I said MKP is really scary in teamleagues again, such a nice start of the year for him :D From what i remember MKP didnt do that well in teamleagues in the past. This is why I said again... He was scary in pre-GSTL teamleagues.
Yup, was solid back in Zotac. 10-5 or something, pretty sure there was a reverse all kill in there too.
Looking back at the records from that now, it's funny to remember being excited about so many of the "unheard of" names that posted great results in it. Most of them did eventually break through or at least have a notable enough performance that people know them from a GOM event by now.
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DRG fail?
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Wow khaldor completely missing the fact that 6 banelings ran right into the starport?
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DRG wasted all his banelings into the Starport >_>
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Man how does MKP do this every single time. He survives things that no other terran would.
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Wasted alot of banelings on a starport add-on ...
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On January 30 2012 01:42 Inflicted_ wrote: DRG wasted all his banelings into the Starport >_>
Yeah, horrible decision. He could have won the game right then.
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Did DRG misclick his banes on the starport?
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Only 9 SCVs kills, won't be enough I think
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WHAAAT. THE FUCK. MARINEKING
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Very sloppy play from DRG.
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Hahahahaha omg i'm so glad i took the time to watch all of this, MKP is on Roll !
So many awesome games !!
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On January 30 2012 01:42 hi_0 wrote: Wow khaldor completely missing the fact that 6 banelings ran right into the starport?
It was only 3 by that point actually, but yeah.
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On January 30 2012 01:36 energized wrote:Kaldor it would be nice if you could lose the F words. I really don't mind but it sounds quite unprofesional from a GSL caster. Anyway next game should be epic. Go go go DRG
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On January 30 2012 01:43 dainbramage wrote: Did DRG misclick his banes on the starport?
Yep. Probably to get past the supply depo and forgot to change the order x.x
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All those baneling hitting the reaktor wasn't worth it imo. If those would have gone in SVC's it could have been over right there.
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It's MKP's Huk-ray. Making his opponents make bizarre mistakes xD
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wow i wish khaldor would stop swearing and saying things like 'jesus christ' and 'fuck my life'
are his 'bosses' watching this? its so unprofessional.
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MKP really dislikes bunkers
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Holy lack of wall-off, Batman!
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I really hope DRG can win so I can see more of Creator. =]
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On January 30 2012 01:43 CruelZeratul wrote: All those baneling hitting the reaktor wasn't worth it imo. If those would have gone in SVC's it could have been over right there. DRG hates starports!! but yeah I agree its unfortunate that DRG didn't catch it in time to make them more useful
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Losing to lings raids for months...
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On January 30 2012 01:43 ThatGuy89 wrote: wow i wish khaldor would stop swearing and saying things like 'jesus christ' and 'fuck my life'
are his 'bosses' watching this? its so unprofessional. No one is the boss of Khaldor, he can't be tamed!
And what's wrong with saying "Jesus christ" anyway?
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MKP hates bunkers and walls... it's a pity
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MKP is so far ahead skillwise compared to his teammates
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lol 23 scv's left, we will see the power of mules now
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another loss cos of no wall -.- doesn't he have a coach or teammates who will make him fix it, if he really doesn't see it himself?
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Is it me or are the latest CW all super good close matches? Damn!
GoOOooOOoo DRG!
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I truly think that MKP purposely let his opponents think that he cant wall off, so that he can use it in matches that truly matter. There is no other explanation on the many times he lost to lings runby otherwise. It just doesnt make sense.
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Seeing MKP lose again and again and again because of his stubbornness makes my eyes bleed. How hard is it to wall the natural, really?
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55 SCV's killed, if only MKP started using more wall offs :/
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wow, DRG really manhandled MKP despite his early mistake during the bust.
MKP's ling runby defence is kind of terrible.
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DRG is such a boss in the team leagues!
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Polt! /jk
Annyeong??
EDIT: Yeah, prolly Creator. Feels da pressure now.
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On January 30 2012 01:49 Asha` wrote: wow, DRG really manhandled MKP despite his early mistake during the bust.
MKP's ling runby defence is kind of terrible.
I blame fatigue! seriously though, one bunker with marines is certainly enough to deter most runbys...
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MAKAPRIMETIME
ohwait...
guess its CREATORPRIMETIME
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On January 30 2012 01:43 ThatGuy89 wrote: wow i wish khaldor would stop swearing and saying things like 'jesus christ' and 'fuck my life'
are his 'bosses' watching this? its so unprofessional. It's his personal stream, he can pretty much do what he wants
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On January 30 2012 01:49 Surriel wrote: I truly think that MKP purposely let his opponents think that he cant wall off, so that he can use it in matches that truly matter. There is no other explanation on the many times he lost to lings runby otherwise. It just doesnt make sense.
MKP vs ViOlet mattered at HSC. He's failed enough times at GSL with it too.
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Puppy terran to win the series for prime.
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On January 30 2012 01:51 SeaSwift wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:49 Surriel wrote: I truly think that MKP purposely let his opponents think that he cant wall off, so that he can use it in matches that truly matter. There is no other explanation on the many times he lost to lings runby otherwise. It just doesnt make sense. MKP vs ViOlet mattered at HSC. He's failed enough times at GSL with it too. MKP was 3-2 against viOlet at HSC though :D
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Creator has beaten Lucky, july and curious in recent KSL's, It's prime time!
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DRG :D
Mkp was too aggressive after the bust failed, he should have turtled slightly to get his third base rather than pushing out and letting a runby cripple him.
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On January 30 2012 01:49 Koshi wrote: Is it me or are the latest CW all super good close matches? Damn!
GoOOooOOoo DRG!
I think it's because there's less pressure in these (as they're online and probably played from the team house), so the players that are sent out usually do their job of taking people out, and aces with nerve issues (MKP, Supernova) can carry it back easily.
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Creators ID is A-Pink in hangul lol
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On January 30 2012 01:43 ThatGuy89 wrote: wow i wish khaldor would stop swearing and saying things like 'jesus christ' and 'fuck my life'
are his 'bosses' watching this? its so unprofessional.
I hear sports commentators say "jesus christ" all the time...
Also, a bit off topic...I was given two yellow cards in a soccer game for saying "jesus christ"
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I have to ask, does anyone know how Khaldor is allowed to Stream this on his personal channel? Is he involved with this team league? I really like him just seems strange to have this big event on his personal stream?
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roach bust incoming imo EDIT: Or not
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On January 30 2012 01:48 alepoff wrote: another loss cos of no wall -.- doesn't he have a coach or teammates who will make him fix it, if he really doesn't see it himself?
Or maybe he has the worst coach in Korea. Seriously, otherwise it's hard to understand why.
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LOL he even saved the Drone!
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Haha Khaldor's laugh on the surviving drone :D
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This drone is a total baller
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On January 30 2012 01:53 Havefaith wrote: I have to ask, does anyone know how Khaldor is allowed to Stream this on his personal channel? Is he involved with this team league? I really like him just seems strange to have this big event on his personal stream?
He's involved with them somewhat, TheKSL team have asked him to cast it (in English). Not sure about Katu/FXO's involvement though.
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On January 30 2012 01:52 Inflicted_ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:49 Koshi wrote: Is it me or are the latest CW all super good close matches? Damn!
GoOOooOOoo DRG! I think it's because there's less pressure in these (as they're online and probably played from the team house), so the players that are sent out usually do their job of taking people out, and aces with nerve issues (MKP, Supernova) can carry it back easily. MKP doesn't have nerves issues
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Blocking the assimilator with a ling, then saving it in the deep red :D
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'Ha he only has 4 sentries, and hes warping in more!' sentries save his ass problem khaldor? ^_^
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On January 30 2012 01:56 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:52 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 30 2012 01:49 Koshi wrote: Is it me or are the latest CW all super good close matches? Damn!
GoOOooOOoo DRG! I think it's because there's less pressure in these (as they're online and probably played from the team house), so the players that are sent out usually do their job of taking people out, and aces with nerve issues (MKP, Supernova) can carry it back easily. MKP doesn't have nerves issues
MKP has choked so often in tournament games (g7 vs Nestea, vs Keen @GSTL finals, etc) that you can safely assume he has serious nerve issues at high pressure matches -_-
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On January 30 2012 01:56 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2012 01:52 Inflicted_ wrote:On January 30 2012 01:49 Koshi wrote: Is it me or are the latest CW all super good close matches? Damn!
GoOOooOOoo DRG! I think it's because there's less pressure in these (as they're online and probably played from the team house), so the players that are sent out usually do their job of taking people out, and aces with nerve issues (MKP, Supernova) can carry it back easily. MKP doesn't have nerves issues
He does, but it doesn't really affect him that much anymore. He plays well in the GSL, but still doesn't play as well as he does in AoL and other online events.
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This gatepush will be devastating
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Good play by creator, held that perfectly
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PRIMEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE !
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Fuck yeah! creator total baller!
Free bulgogi for him and MKP tonight
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Lol what a shame
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Well done Creator. Great defense
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couldnt see the last push by CreatorPrime
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PRIIIIME!! :D Prime is starting to be a nicely rounded team!
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that attack by drg was just ugly.
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IdrA :'( ahaha gg creator well played
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Hahaha yes :D
Creator is so good.
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Nooooo!! DRG pulled a July...
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Did i fall asleep? Suddenly it was over...
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Stupid all - in . Wastes a ton of units . Just kill the wall and then attack if you want ...
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Yeah, should have tried to basetrade.
But ok. GG. wp Prime.
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That's CreatorPrime GUYS :DDD.
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id say it was a good holf, but it was a very poor attack tbh
good series
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DRG was probably fucked, protoss would of walked into the main and ff the ramp
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CreatorPrime, I honestly believe he's going to be one of the best protosses in the world once he gets a few more chances on the big stage to show what he's got.
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see khaldor looking at creators base, drg gg's
a bit of a wtf? moment
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So we have 2 underdog teams in the finals?
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clutch from Creator, the kid is good!
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What happend?? DRG left just like that....
NesTea will not leave the game just like that...
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On January 30 2012 02:02 SkyTheUnknown wrote: So we have 2 underdog teams in the finals? Hardly, prime was in last GSTL final and NShoseo was in the semis
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With a third so hard to take for protoss, why whould a zerg ever go for an all-in on that map >.>
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Funnily the main reason I started my GSTL & Prime thread was to hype up Creator because he was sick good but not recognized enough =D
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Very nice hold by Creator. DRG's timing looked weird, and that gg surprised me... not even trying to sacrifice one base and set up a flank on the ace match?
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after his 3rd base was up, DRG commited to this half-hearted allin... he should have hit 30secs earlier. nice hold by Creator!
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On January 30 2012 02:02 porcupinetree wrote: What happend?? DRG left just like that....
NesTea will not leave the game just like that...
There was a huge push by Creator at the doorsteps of DRG's natural.
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creator and mkp doing some work for prime
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On January 30 2012 02:01 wklbishop wrote: CreatorPrime, I honestly believe he's going to be one of the best protosses in the world once he gets a few more chances on the big stage to show what he's got. I hope so much he'll finally have a good code A run. But code A is so hard now, he meets Polt in his first round TT
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Is there any chance to watch any of latest KSL matches ? I cant find this on khaldor youtube channel ?
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MKP won 4 games and should have won vs DRG. What a champ.
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On January 30 2012 02:01 wklbishop wrote: CreatorPrime, I honestly believe he's going to be one of the best protosses in the world once he gets a few more chances on the big stage to show what he's got.
Patience, he is only 15
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awesome series, I wish I can watch the finals tomorrow
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Looks like Prime got their revenge from GSTL season 1
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nooooooooo DRG how could you lose to creator?!
I guess protoss is still his worst matchup
And OMG! MKP's ingame account name is actually FOXER ....I am in love <333
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On January 30 2012 03:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:nooooooooo DRG how could you lose to creator?! I guess protoss is still his worst matchup And OMG! MKP's ingame account name is actually FOXER ....I am in love <333
DRG is not even code S champ....
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On January 30 2012 03:48 neoghaleon55 wrote:nooooooooo DRG how could you lose to creator?! I guess protoss is still his worst matchup And OMG! MKP's ingame account name is actually FOXER ....I am in love <333 MKP has a million in game accounts. Foxer is one of the newer ones he's gotten I think. Probably as a reward to foreign fans.
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