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Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
January 29 2012 21:04 GMT
#481
And the question is, will Grubby be finally able to do it ???
He should have an advantage now, he must have studied Stephano builds pretty hard in case of he meets him again
Shadow and dust
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
January 29 2012 21:04 GMT
#482
On January 30 2012 06:03 Derrida wrote:
hm, was Nerchio vs Jjakji - IPL FC8 EU live? should know this before I start speculating

it was the European rebroadcast
even the original one was not really live but casted by replays
FabledIntegral
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States9232 Posts
January 29 2012 21:06 GMT
#483
On January 30 2012 06:03 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 06:02 00Visor wrote:
On January 30 2012 05:58 m0ck wrote:
Tbh I've noticed the trend of stephano getting supply blocked quite often also. And not based on today's games.

you sure he is really supply blocked for a longer time?
as zerg you can just make ovis at around halftime before injected larvae pops out, than you have enough supply, when you need it
stephano doesnt seem to have a problem macroing

It's okay to be supply blocked as long as it isn't hindering your production cycles. Key difference.


And even if it is, as long as you're not attacked or not utilizing those units immediately, it still won't cut into your production cycle, as larvae accumulates. As long as you don't go beyond the normal 3 larvae at the hatch, that is.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
January 29 2012 21:09 GMT
#484
Wish I could stay up and watch this, but I gotta go to bed :/
Cya people
Slardar
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada7596 Posts
January 29 2012 21:10 GMT
#485
Grubby fast expands, being annoying with his starting probe delaying Stephano's natural, then 3rd base.

Fastforward now - +1 5gate aggression coming out of Grubby. Stephano already has a handful or roaches and 3 base decently saturated. Deflects the attack with ease, Grubby backs up and is going Robotics.
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#486
tttttttttttttttt
SaSe fan club manager
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#487
People really think Stephano gets supply blocked frequently and it affects his games? I can understand maybe if you don't know anything about how Zerg works. Racial supply block severity looks something like this.

Most Severe - Terran > Protoss > Zerg - Least Severe

Supply block as Terran is a critical mis-step because they have no way of accelerating their build-time and as such dumping resources. A supply-block as Terran WILL result in a smaller army at any given point in time before 200/200. Having those minerals in the bank, unable to spend them, does nothing. A supply-block as Protoss isn't good, but it's not as bad. You can dump resources with a warp-in after the fact and then use chrono-boost to catch up with having to build more production facilities. A Terran's only option if he can't spend his money is to build more production facilities so he can spend it faster, which in itself takes time. A supply-block for a Zerg generally only makes a big difference if you are in the process of being attacked. If you're building drones and you spot the army coming across the map. You go to build units and suddenly you can't, you're in deep shit. If you can point out when this happens for Stephano, then fair enough but honestly, I must have cast 50 maps of his in the last few months at least and I can't remember one instance of that happening. Otherwise, supply block for Zerg really does not matter all that much. If your opponent is not attacking, getting supply blocked isn't going to limit you very much at all. You can stockpile larvae up to 19 per hatch, you can then immediately spend it all at once provided you have the necessary resources to do so. The supply block does nothing to you in this respect. The only time this is really going to affect you while macroing is if you get supply blocked frequently while building rounds of drones, ergo slowing down your economy since you've been able to mine less over X period of time.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
00Visor
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
4337 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 21:12:16
January 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#488
On January 30 2012 06:06 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 06:03 HaXXspetten wrote:
On January 30 2012 06:02 00Visor wrote:
On January 30 2012 05:58 m0ck wrote:
Tbh I've noticed the trend of stephano getting supply blocked quite often also. And not based on today's games.

you sure he is really supply blocked for a longer time?
as zerg you can just make ovis at around halftime before injected larvae pops out, than you have enough supply, when you need it
stephano doesnt seem to have a problem macroing

It's okay to be supply blocked as long as it isn't hindering your production cycles. Key difference.


And even if it is, as long as you're not attacked or not utilizing those units immediately, it still won't cut into your production cycle, as larvae accumulates. As long as you don't go beyond the normal 3 larvae at the hatch, that is.

if you watch carefully, you could see it now, stephano was 76/76, 4 ovis were made, few seconds after the larvae pops out
edit: and now 110/110, 6 ovis
heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
January 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#489
boy this is going to be one-sided, does grubby ever go VR?
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 29 2012 21:11 GMT
#490
On January 30 2012 06:09 HaXXspetten wrote:
Wish I could stay up and watch this, but I gotta go to bed :/
Cya people

its 10pm ಠ_ಠ
SaSe fan club manager
Ylrahc
Profile Joined September 2011
France496 Posts
January 29 2012 21:12 GMT
#491
It looks like players are so afraid of Stephano defense they don't try to attack him, so he takes advantage from this by droning like crazy
Shadow and dust
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
January 29 2012 21:12 GMT
#492
On January 30 2012 06:09 HaXXspetten wrote:
Wish I could stay up and watch this, but I gotta go to bed :/
Cya people


Night man
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 21:14:14
January 29 2012 21:13 GMT
#493
Stephano is a nightmare to play against ;_;

gogo grubby~~ do the impossible
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
woob
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom1322 Posts
January 29 2012 21:13 GMT
#494
seriously stephano doesnt lose vs foreign protoss players
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ez
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 29 2012 21:14 GMT
#495
force fields
SaSe fan club manager
Lasbike
Profile Joined January 2011
France2888 Posts
January 29 2012 21:14 GMT
#496
Stephano on 95 drones... xD
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
January 29 2012 21:15 GMT
#497
Stephano changing the ZvP rule. Now zerg has to always be 2 bases ahead :D
Choboo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Sweden2088 Posts
January 29 2012 21:15 GMT
#498
observer speed this is why i love grubster
SaSe fan club manager
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 29 2012 21:15 GMT
#499
On January 30 2012 06:13 woob wrote:
seriously stephano doesnt lose vs foreign protoss players


Except when he does?
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-29 21:16:51
January 29 2012 21:15 GMT
#500
What TB said. Stephano is in no way perfect, but supply blockages aren't a real problem for a player of his level.
On January 30 2012 06:15 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2012 06:13 woob wrote:
seriously stephano doesnt lose vs foreign protoss players


Except when he does?

Correction. He doesn't lose to Grubby. He's got an absurd record head to head with him, hopefully Grubster pushes him a bit closer this time.
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