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Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
January 15 2012 17:19 GMT
#2301
On January 16 2012 02:18 Theovide wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote:
Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/

ThorZain won the first game which was a macro one? Ret played amazing in the two games he took of course, but to be honest both meta and terminus cross are kind of Z favored.


terminus has 62%, meta has 55% winrate for terran vs zerg in korean tlpd
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 17:20:19
January 15 2012 17:19 GMT
#2302
On January 16 2012 02:16 Onos wrote:
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On January 16 2012 02:14 ChaosTerran wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote:
Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/


Zerg's fault for going 17 pool. That's about as greedy as you can be, why should the terran not punish it?


Yes, because Thorzain didn't go 11/11 blind right? He scouted the 17 pool and then went 11/11.


He did not scout the 17 pool. He didn't even know where Ret was until he scouted the right and left positions. He was just counting on Ret to be greedy on a large map like that.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
DoubleDouble
Profile Joined August 2011
United States106 Posts
January 15 2012 17:20 GMT
#2303
"most people view thorzain as a slow player"

i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 15 2012 17:20 GMT
#2304
Thorzain so brave.
alistarnl
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands144 Posts
January 15 2012 17:21 GMT
#2305
Im really liking the triple command plays from thorzain :O
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
January 15 2012 17:21 GMT
#2306
On January 16 2012 02:19 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 02:18 Theovide wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote:
Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/

ThorZain won the first game which was a macro one? Ret played amazing in the two games he took of course, but to be honest both meta and terminus cross are kind of Z favored.


terminus has 62%, meta has 55% winrate for terran vs zerg in korean tlpd


but cross-position still favors zerg.
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
January 15 2012 17:21 GMT
#2307
--- Nuked ---
Flanq
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom2694 Posts
January 15 2012 17:21 GMT
#2308
On January 16 2012 02:19 Tsubbi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 02:18 Theovide wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote:
Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/

ThorZain won the first game which was a macro one? Ret played amazing in the two games he took of course, but to be honest both meta and terminus cross are kind of Z favored.


terminus has 62%, meta has 55% winrate for terran vs zerg in korean tlpd

Korean =/= european, but still, maps are quite balanced regardless.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
January 15 2012 17:22 GMT
#2309
On January 16 2012 02:16 Onos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 02:14 ChaosTerran wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote:
Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/


Zerg's fault for going 17 pool. That's about as greedy as you can be, why should the terran not punish it?


Yes, because Thorzain didn't go 11/11 blind right? He scouted the 17 pool and then went 11/11.


Don't understand your logic.

Thorzain took a gamble but it was a smart choice because ret would definitely go for a greedy build.

So all races have to scout first before they decide on their options? So a protoss is playing July, then he should scout a roach warren/baneling nest first before he puts down a second cannon? Otherwise its not valid?
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
January 15 2012 17:22 GMT
#2310
Damn fast spire, checkmate?
No E.Bay, almost no marines.
Sadly I don't see this lasting...
DoubleDouble
Profile Joined August 2011
United States106 Posts
January 15 2012 17:22 GMT
#2311
On January 16 2012 02:21 Sated wrote:
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On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote:
"most people view thorzain as a slow player"

i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player

All the Koreans who called him the spoon Terran, maybe?

They don't mean he is slow in an APM sense or whatever, they mean that he is viewed as a methodical player who kills opponents slowly.


he was clearly talking about his apm
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
January 15 2012 17:23 GMT
#2312
On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote:
"most people view thorzain as a slow player"

i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player


he is a bit slower than average actually, not goody-ish but still

but he is accurate and he can multitask pretty well
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
January 15 2012 17:23 GMT
#2313
On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote:
"most people view thorzain as a slow player"

i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player

Every Korean Commentater ever. They called him "spoon Terran". By slow they mean methodical.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
January 15 2012 17:23 GMT
#2314
come on thorzain! for the dislike of mirror matchups!!!
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-15 17:26:29
January 15 2012 17:24 GMT
#2315
On January 16 2012 02:23 msjakofsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote:
"most people view thorzain as a slow player"

i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player


he is a bit slower than average actually, not goody-ish but still

but he is accurate and he can multitask pretty well


His apm after patch is 110-120, on par with other terrans like Ganzi, Kas and Demuslim.
He acts rather humble about it himself and calls himself slow, but he really is not.
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
January 15 2012 17:26 GMT
#2316
On January 16 2012 02:24 MrCash wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 02:23 msjakofsky wrote:
On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote:
"most people view thorzain as a slow player"

i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player


he is a bit slower than average actually, not goody-ish but still

but he is accurate and he can multitask pretty well


His apm after patch is 110-120, on par with other terrans like Ganzi, Kas and Demuslim.


i guess that's cuz he doesn't spam much and the new apm doesn't account that
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
January 15 2012 17:26 GMT
#2317
Thorzain floating a gazillion minerals.
MrCash
Profile Joined October 2011
United States1504 Posts
January 15 2012 17:27 GMT
#2318
On January 16 2012 02:26 Asha` wrote:
Thorzain floating a gazillion minerals.


Mech, that's pretty standard.
Mass some CCs and stationary defenses.
michielbrands
Profile Joined June 2011
Netherlands1146 Posts
January 15 2012 17:28 GMT
#2319
people with Thorzain being slow everyone here means he plays prettt passive all the time. Thorzain likes to play macro way more then fast games. His apm has nothing to do with him being slow.
- me (L) competitive gaming -
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
January 15 2012 17:28 GMT
#2320
Mech looks so bad when it doesn't work.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
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