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On January 16 2012 02:18 Theovide wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote: Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/ ThorZain won the first game which was a macro one? Ret played amazing in the two games he took of course, but to be honest both meta and terminus cross are kind of Z favored.
terminus has 62%, meta has 55% winrate for terran vs zerg in korean tlpd
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United States15275 Posts
On January 16 2012 02:16 Onos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:14 ChaosTerran wrote:On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote: Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/ Zerg's fault for going 17 pool. That's about as greedy as you can be, why should the terran not punish it? Yes, because Thorzain didn't go 11/11 blind right? He scouted the 17 pool and then went 11/11.
He did not scout the 17 pool. He didn't even know where Ret was until he scouted the right and left positions. He was just counting on Ret to be greedy on a large map like that.
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"most people view thorzain as a slow player"
i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player
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Im really liking the triple command plays from thorzain :O
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On January 16 2012 02:19 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:18 Theovide wrote:On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote: Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/ ThorZain won the first game which was a macro one? Ret played amazing in the two games he took of course, but to be honest both meta and terminus cross are kind of Z favored. terminus has 62%, meta has 55% winrate for terran vs zerg in korean tlpd
but cross-position still favors zerg.
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On January 16 2012 02:19 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:18 Theovide wrote:On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote: Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/ ThorZain won the first game which was a macro one? Ret played amazing in the two games he took of course, but to be honest both meta and terminus cross are kind of Z favored. terminus has 62%, meta has 55% winrate for terran vs zerg in korean tlpd Korean =/= european, but still, maps are quite balanced regardless.
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On January 16 2012 02:16 Onos wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:14 ChaosTerran wrote:On January 16 2012 02:12 cyclone25 wrote: Story of ZvT: zerg wins epic 20 minute macro game, loses the next one in 4 minutes :/ Zerg's fault for going 17 pool. That's about as greedy as you can be, why should the terran not punish it? Yes, because Thorzain didn't go 11/11 blind right? He scouted the 17 pool and then went 11/11.
Don't understand your logic.
Thorzain took a gamble but it was a smart choice because ret would definitely go for a greedy build.
So all races have to scout first before they decide on their options? So a protoss is playing July, then he should scout a roach warren/baneling nest first before he puts down a second cannon? Otherwise its not valid?
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Damn fast spire, checkmate? No E.Bay, almost no marines. Sadly I don't see this lasting...
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On January 16 2012 02:21 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote: "most people view thorzain as a slow player"
i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player All the Koreans who called him the spoon Terran, maybe? They don't mean he is slow in an APM sense or whatever, they mean that he is viewed as a methodical player who kills opponents slowly.
he was clearly talking about his apm
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On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote: "most people view thorzain as a slow player"
i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player
he is a bit slower than average actually, not goody-ish but still
but he is accurate and he can multitask pretty well
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On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote: "most people view thorzain as a slow player"
i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player Every Korean Commentater ever. They called him "spoon Terran". By slow they mean methodical.
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come on thorzain! for the dislike of mirror matchups!!!
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On January 16 2012 02:23 msjakofsky wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote: "most people view thorzain as a slow player"
i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player he is a bit slower than average actually, not goody-ish but still but he is accurate and he can multitask pretty well
His apm after patch is 110-120, on par with other terrans like Ganzi, Kas and Demuslim. He acts rather humble about it himself and calls himself slow, but he really is not.
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On January 16 2012 02:24 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 02:23 msjakofsky wrote:On January 16 2012 02:20 DoubleDouble wrote: "most people view thorzain as a slow player"
i don't know a single person thats said thorzain was a slow player he is a bit slower than average actually, not goody-ish but still but he is accurate and he can multitask pretty well His apm after patch is 110-120, on par with other terrans like Ganzi, Kas and Demuslim.
i guess that's cuz he doesn't spam much and the new apm doesn't account that
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Thorzain floating a gazillion minerals.
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On January 16 2012 02:26 Asha` wrote: Thorzain floating a gazillion minerals.
Mech, that's pretty standard. Mass some CCs and stationary defenses.
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people with Thorzain being slow everyone here means he plays prettt passive all the time. Thorzain likes to play macro way more then fast games. His apm has nothing to do with him being slow.
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Mech looks so bad when it doesn't work.
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