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- NO Balance Whine.
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- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.
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On November 21 2011 07:08 Raambo11 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 07:07 Dauntless wrote:
Should've made Ghosts instead..
Very glad Leenock came back. You almost never see comebacks vs Terran. For the last time he was never actually behind.... He redroned the drones at the start in like 15 seconds..
No one actually watches the game and observes how the mineral counts remain the same. Or notice the number of bases someone is on. They just see blue flame hellions kill a bunch of drones and assume someone should lose 3 minutes later. They heard it on a Day 9 daily once or something.
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On November 21 2011 07:08 Lavi wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 07:00 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 06:54 Lavi wrote:On November 21 2011 06:50 StarStruck wrote:On November 21 2011 06:45 Qaatar wrote:On November 21 2011 06:38 Dreamer.T wrote:On November 21 2011 06:35 Caddy wrote:On November 21 2011 06:31 HowardRoark wrote:
How come MVP doesn't have any fans? Being the best player in the world ought to count for something, and earn him some fans? If MKP or Huk would have been the best, they would have tons of fans. It is a bit weird, he is always well-spoken, doesn't cheat and don't cheese, he is pure talent, but still, as he said himself, he doesn't have many fans. He definitely has fans, judging by this thread alone, but there's maybe a bunch of reasons why he isn't the most popular with the fans. First of all, he is the best. He'll get huge respect for that, definitely, but people like underdogs. People also don't like to see the same person win everything. Secondly, he doesn't show emotion. I actually quite like that, because it's very professional and it means he can keep calm and not play on tilt. However, that lack of emotion doesn't translate well to fans. Fans like when you can see how much a win / loss means to a player. I think it's the same in any sport, really. I do think MVP has a huge amount of respect though. I'm a Protoss fanboy but I'll openly admit MVP is a fantastic player. You don't get that good by just being lucky. I'd like to add, that Flash (the greatest RTS gamer in history) also went through the same things as MVP. During his reign, when no one could beat him, people were actually joking he might destroy e-sports because of how boring the scene had become. It's the same thing with MVP. The difference with Flash and MVP (apart from Flash being an RTS genius) is that people universally acknowledge Flash to be the greatest player of his era, and arguably the greatest BW player ever (and some would argue, like me, that he's the greatest RTS player in history). As you can see in this thread, there are people who think MVP isn't even the best T in the world. Huge difference. It's a fucking joke, because there's no denying that MVP is the greatest SC2 Terran to date. Nor has he been as dominant as a guy like Flash. This is why calling someone the best in SC2 right now is silly especially when the lines are just going to continue to blur. ... and the fact that bw and sc2 is two different games. and created by 2 different development teams. Can't really compare mvp to flash because this simple reason... but right now I do think mvp is best sc2 player yes The old two different games argument. Great. Until MVP dominates every frigging thing he enters for over a year then maybe I'll start giving him a special label. The fact of the matter is you have to dominate. Everything. No wrinkles in the armor and right now he has many. Namely his TvP. He is not immortal; he doesn't look invisible. Many pros can win. Right now calling anyone the best in SC2 is as I said. Absurd because you have so very little to go on. Well your inferring that me saying mvp is probably the best means dominant like flash... I do believe mvp can be beat by any pro sc2 player on any given day, but hes the most well rounded mechanically strategically and result wise so far, so about as dominant as we've seen so far in sc2 so far. I only say bw vs sc2 because I believe theres more depth for bw pro to gain edges to get more consistent wins then sc2 so i believe getting a flash level dominance is impossible in sc2 atm until expansion comes out which I said
Fair enough; no complaints there.
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Tastosis gonna be on all the latest matches im pretty sure of it, thats why they're here + No day[J].
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MVP just needs to make ghosts...then he winz.
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Why are mod's banning and warning for non-insulting posts of people just speaking their mind??? Damn, loosen up. It's bordering on creepy on why you would do that ...
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On November 21 2011 07:06 Shalaiyn wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 07:05 Linwelin wrote:On November 21 2011 07:05 ZenithM wrote:
Leenock could actually be the best korean zerg in the world right now. All his matchups are good afaik. Maybe he's a little weak in ZvZ. Really? Nestea has been slumping like hell lately, Losira is a rollercoaster, there aren't much more zergs.
I still have no idea what makes people believe he's slumping. He's lost to a grand total of like 3-4 people who aren't MVP, plus MVP who has always beaten him, over the course of several months. It seems like he's not improving as rapidly anymore, but he's far from slumping.
'Slump,' 'all-in,' and 'bonjwa,' are the most overused and incorrectly used terms on the whole site. >.<
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Hopefully MVP plays pretty safe this game, avoids any kind of bust and crushes leenock to take it to a third.
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On November 21 2011 07:09 Mario1209 wrote:
MVP wtf? losing the scv making his rax?!
Tilting.... :/
He has had a long shakey and high pressure day - not to mention jetlag etc
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On November 21 2011 07:09 KoTakUEurO wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 07:07 Boundz(DarKo) wrote:
Naniwa plays after MVP Leenock? yep then the loser of that will be playing winner of MVP leenock both casted by tastosis
Glad I rolled two, then. 
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On November 21 2011 07:06 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 07:05 Deckkie wrote:On November 21 2011 07:04 feanor1 wrote:On November 21 2011 07:03 Desert Fox wrote:On November 21 2011 07:03 zmansman17 wrote:
How is Terran supposed to be that? He was up 40 supply, killed 100 workers, ??? He needed to "all-in"!!!!!! Make some ghosts Think the transfuse was ment to counter snipe. There only never came any snipes. Since we're theorycrafting here, don't EMPs counter transfuse? 
As a Terran my first comment would be to spread against AoE, what shouldnt be hard with queens.
But more importantly, the queens are behind the BL's, its very hard to run into a swarm of broodlings. Would be very hard to get to the Queens.
But ofcourse it does bring an awesome extra depth to micro.
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On November 21 2011 07:09 vorxaw wrote:
Quick question:
Are the replays from MLG available anywhere? Thanks
I think they will be soon but for now you can rewind the Stream.
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MVP is on rampage afeter 3 wins to beat MC bit I dont know
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Someone give MVP one of those American energy drinks, he comes off as a heavy-weight champion forced to fight a challenger right after he claimed the title...
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Xel'naga caverns is a worse map than dual sight.
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On November 21 2011 07:06 Jyvblamo wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 07:05 Deckkie wrote:On November 21 2011 07:04 feanor1 wrote:On November 21 2011 07:03 Desert Fox wrote:On November 21 2011 07:03 zmansman17 wrote:
How is Terran supposed to be that? He was up 40 supply, killed 100 workers, ??? He needed to "all-in"!!!!!! Make some ghosts Think the transfuse was ment to counter snipe. There only never came any snipes. Since we're theorycrafting here, don't EMPs counter transfuse?
the BLs should be able to hi/stop the ghosts before they get in range of the queens (overseers vs cloak) also queens don't clump much)
edit, also - forcing emp means less snipes
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On November 21 2011 07:10 zmansman17 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 07:09 s3rp wrote:On November 21 2011 07:06 wats0n wrote:On November 21 2011 07:04 Giriath wrote:
Every Zerg should have queens transfusing their broodlords. Catz has been doing that for a while on his stream. It works only if the terran is too stupid to not get ghosts. If the terran gets ghosts then he wins. MVP was pretty stupid not to get ghosts that game. You can't get enough Ghosts if you're meching that heavy ..... MVp had what 1 Rax. You need at least 6-7 to get enough Ghosts out and without upgrades they die superfast to Broodlings. Ya I have no idea as gm lvl player what I would have done differently. I might spend the next few nights in cold sweats trying to figure out how to beat that
Demuslim has been using Ghost + Mech vs zerg for a while now, so I'm sure there's a way to incorporate them, pretty sure only 4 or so rax with tech labs would work.
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On November 21 2011 07:09 GuiltyJerk wrote:Show nested quote +On November 21 2011 07:08 hitpoint wrote:
And here we go with Xel'naga again to even the score. I hope Leenock has a sick all-in planned. I know, right? It should be clear that there's a problem when you see that EVERY Terran/Toss picks XNC vs Zerg if it's available. Like almost 100% of the time.
Every zerg picks meta when it's available, what's your point? Besides, Dual Site is just as bad for terran as Xel Naga is for zerg.
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"Wow entertaining game! Good show by both players."
NOPE!
Where's the ghosts!
Too many tanks!
Map imba!
Hive rush!
Queen imba!
Mech sucks!
Doesn't anybody just enjoy things anymore? Or do people just enjoy complaining this much?
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On November 21 2011 07:10 Alchemind wrote:
Why are mod's banning and warning for non-insulting posts of people just speaking their mind??? Damn, loosen up. It's bordering on creepy on why you would do that ...
Because most of those posts are retarded, veiled attempts at bitching about something that had nothing to do with why their favored player lost.
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