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On October 31 2011 04:33 RHoudini wrote:
Radioactive Terran incoming
no he is Chernobyl Terran!!!!!!!
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On October 31 2011 04:36 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:33 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 Azarkon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:29 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:28 Titorelli wrote:On October 31 2011 04:25 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:24 zerino wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Laeon wrote:
Idra, such as American players, thinks he is the best. The come back to reality is hard when they play european players who are much more better. indeed, USA, overhype their players so much, because they have so few top players, really idra would just be 1 of the many top zergs if he was from EU, like ret, stephano, morrow etc. Idra is pretty far ahead of Ret and Morrow as of late, don't exaggerate Yep thats why he owned up Kas just now... Ooops he did not in fact  ...these games were played probably a month ago. Why are you trying to stir up a shitfest? Were they? Why didn't they show EG vs. Empire yesterday, then? Do I look like I'm running this tournament? More spread out of a tournament is going to mean more revenue So why are you saying that these games are one month old ? Is that a fact, an educated guess, or a "idra just lost so let's say those games are older than his most recent win" guess ?
Because yesterday beasty made reference to the games being played some time ago unless it was only the first round of finals matches played
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On October 31 2011 04:34 0ne wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:31 Badfatpanda wrote:On October 31 2011 04:28 Titorelli wrote:On October 31 2011 04:25 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:24 zerino wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Laeon wrote:
Idra, such as American players, thinks he is the best. The come back to reality is hard when they play european players who are much more better. indeed, USA, overhype their players so much, because they have so few top players, really idra would just be 1 of the many top zergs if he was from EU, like ret, stephano, morrow etc. Idra is pretty far ahead of Ret and Morrow as of late, don't exaggerate Yep thats why he owned up Kas just now... Ooops he did not in fact Why troll? these games were played a while ago and the MLG results disprove your argument, one BO3 means little, stop trying to find a meaning in everything But...but...if Kas won two games vs Idra then Kas > Idra and i saw Ret and Morrow winning a game against Kas on the ladder the other day so Morrow and Ret > Kas > Idra.
Wow, what a a idiot .Please stop shitting up the forums please.
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On October 31 2011 04:31 Mordiford wrote:
Beasty has a really interesting style...
It's bizzarre and oddly effective.
eu players tend to skip medvacs for more units, i dont like it but its effectiv with good control.
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These games, at least some of them, were played on Friday, I believe
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On October 31 2011 04:36 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:33 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 Azarkon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:29 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:28 Titorelli wrote:On October 31 2011 04:25 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:24 zerino wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Laeon wrote:
Idra, such as American players, thinks he is the best. The come back to reality is hard when they play european players who are much more better. indeed, USA, overhype their players so much, because they have so few top players, really idra would just be 1 of the many top zergs if he was from EU, like ret, stephano, morrow etc. Idra is pretty far ahead of Ret and Morrow as of late, don't exaggerate Yep thats why he owned up Kas just now... Ooops he did not in fact ...these games were played probably a month ago. Why are you trying to stir up a shitfest? Were they? Why didn't they show EG vs. Empire yesterday, then? Do I look like I'm running this tournament? More spread out of a tournament is going to mean more revenue So why are you saying that these games are one month old ? Is that a fact, an educated guess, or a "idra just lost so let's say those games are older than his most recent win" guess ?
Dude I said these games were PROBABLY played around a month ago. Ask EG if you really want to know.
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On October 31 2011 04:34 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:32 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:27 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:22 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:17 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:10 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
he will never change How would you react if someone opened 11/12 against you and put down two bunkers in such a fashion that you cannot attack the marines that are hiding behind them? Would that put a smile on your face? Its extremely annoying and abuses the shit out of melee units. You cant attack it with melee units, and spines arent able to kill bunkers that are being repaired (remember the game boxer vs idra at the last mlg where idra had 3 spines attacking the bunker? it didnt even budge). What should zerg build to destroy that bunker? 6 spines? 10? Building so many spines is game anyway. Its an annoying rush and takes alot away from the game in my opinion. All you have to do to defend this is to drone scout. Idra deserved to loose. Even the ones that do drone scout will build the hatch before pool and die anyways, even if they scout it afterwards. It comes very early and you cant really count on scouting it before you put down that hatch, because 15 population is extremely early. Sorry no, I have seen other zergs defend it with ease. Stop saying you cannot defend it. As long as you have a good micro, there is no reason not to defend it, not on this map where you are guaranteed to scout in time... if you scout. You are comparing different scenarios with each other. Show me one game where a zerg has defended 11/11 (or any similar early bunker rush) on meta close by air if the bunkers are put in exactly that fashion. Unless the zerg luckily runs into the proxy rax he will hatch first and die. You wont find a single occasion because the games you are referring to are on other maps where it is entirely possible to NOT scout at all and still defend it with ease. This is very defendable if you scout it and have drones in position when the attack comes.
I can even tell you one occasion where the zerg did scout it in time and did have drones in position to stop the bunkers from going down.
Idra vs MMA second game (the mlg where he gg´ed early against MMA).
Idra smashed it but due to the nature of defending that attack with drones, was far behind in economy.
If you watch the drone vs scv count it was basically over even though he defended it.
MMA followed it up with marine pressure that killed idra, but it wouldnt have really mattered looking at his eco advantage.
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On October 31 2011 04:38 FakeDeath wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:34 0ne wrote:On October 31 2011 04:31 Badfatpanda wrote:On October 31 2011 04:28 Titorelli wrote:On October 31 2011 04:25 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:24 zerino wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Laeon wrote:
Idra, such as American players, thinks he is the best. The come back to reality is hard when they play european players who are much more better. indeed, USA, overhype their players so much, because they have so few top players, really idra would just be 1 of the many top zergs if he was from EU, like ret, stephano, morrow etc. Idra is pretty far ahead of Ret and Morrow as of late, don't exaggerate Yep thats why he owned up Kas just now... Ooops he did not in fact Why troll? these games were played a while ago and the MLG results disprove your argument, one BO3 means little, stop trying to find a meaning in everything But...but...if Kas won two games vs Idra then Kas > Idra and i saw Ret and Morrow winning a game against Kas on the ladder the other day so Morrow and Ret > Kas > Idra. Wow, what a a idiot .Please stop shitting up the forums please.
That was obvious sarcasm :>
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On October 31 2011 04:38 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:36 MrCon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:33 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 Azarkon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:29 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:28 Titorelli wrote:On October 31 2011 04:25 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:24 zerino wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Laeon wrote:
Idra, such as American players, thinks he is the best. The come back to reality is hard when they play european players who are much more better. indeed, USA, overhype their players so much, because they have so few top players, really idra would just be 1 of the many top zergs if he was from EU, like ret, stephano, morrow etc. Idra is pretty far ahead of Ret and Morrow as of late, don't exaggerate Yep thats why he owned up Kas just now... Ooops he did not in fact ...these games were played probably a month ago. Why are you trying to stir up a shitfest? Were they? Why didn't they show EG vs. Empire yesterday, then? Do I look like I'm running this tournament? More spread out of a tournament is going to mean more revenue So why are you saying that these games are one month old ? Is that a fact, an educated guess, or a "idra just lost so let's say those games are older than his most recent win" guess ? Because yesterday beasty made reference to the games being played some time ago unless it was only the first round of finals matches played
Thanks. I really would like the casters being more transparent about that, I don't think it would be bad for the event (unless they're very old like the idra vs major played pre-patch at MLG invitational ><)
That would help us knowing the context.
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The games are not a month old. Yesteday EG 2v2 coulnt play becuase they were in ESWC so these games 1-2 week old
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On October 31 2011 04:39 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:36 MrCon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:33 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 Azarkon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:29 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:28 Titorelli wrote:On October 31 2011 04:25 1Eris1 wrote:On October 31 2011 04:24 zerino wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Laeon wrote:
Idra, such as American players, thinks he is the best. The come back to reality is hard when they play european players who are much more better. indeed, USA, overhype their players so much, because they have so few top players, really idra would just be 1 of the many top zergs if he was from EU, like ret, stephano, morrow etc. Idra is pretty far ahead of Ret and Morrow as of late, don't exaggerate Yep thats why he owned up Kas just now... Ooops he did not in fact ...these games were played probably a month ago. Why are you trying to stir up a shitfest? Were they? Why didn't they show EG vs. Empire yesterday, then? Do I look like I'm running this tournament? More spread out of a tournament is going to mean more revenue So why are you saying that these games are one month old ? Is that a fact, an educated guess, or a "idra just lost so let's say those games are older than his most recent win" guess ? Dude I said these games were PROBABLY played around a month ago. Ask EG if you really want to know. But that's exactly what I said =) I wonder where the "probably" comes from. It looked like it came more from Idra fanboyism than any reliable source, that's what I pointed.
But Badfatpanda answered anyway.
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On October 31 2011 04:34 Laeon wrote:
Americans think that EG is the best non korean team but they are just getting owned by Empire. Am I wrong ?
yupe, you are wrong.
EG already won once agains Empire in this tourny, one set of games does not decide who is better.
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The games were played 2 days ago, just checked beasty's account.
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On October 31 2011 04:39 gh0un wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:34 MrCon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:27 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:22 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:17 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:10 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
he will never change How would you react if someone opened 11/12 against you and put down two bunkers in such a fashion that you cannot attack the marines that are hiding behind them? Would that put a smile on your face? Its extremely annoying and abuses the shit out of melee units. You cant attack it with melee units, and spines arent able to kill bunkers that are being repaired (remember the game boxer vs idra at the last mlg where idra had 3 spines attacking the bunker? it didnt even budge). What should zerg build to destroy that bunker? 6 spines? 10? Building so many spines is game anyway. Its an annoying rush and takes alot away from the game in my opinion. All you have to do to defend this is to drone scout. Idra deserved to loose. Even the ones that do drone scout will build the hatch before pool and die anyways, even if they scout it afterwards. It comes very early and you cant really count on scouting it before you put down that hatch, because 15 population is extremely early. Sorry no, I have seen other zergs defend it with ease. Stop saying you cannot defend it. As long as you have a good micro, there is no reason not to defend it, not on this map where you are guaranteed to scout in time... if you scout. You are comparing different scenarios with each other. Show me one game where a zerg has defended 11/11 (or any similar early bunker rush) on meta close by air if the bunkers are put in exactly that fashion. Unless the zerg luckily runs into the proxy rax he will hatch first and die. You wont find a single occasion because the games you are referring to are on other maps where it is entirely possible to NOT scout at all and still defend it with ease. This is very defendable if you scout it and have drones in position when the attack comes. I can even tell you one occasion where the zerg did scout it in time and did have drones in position to stop the bunkers from going down. Idra vs MMA second game (the mlg where he gg´ed early against MMA). Idra smashed it but due to the nature of defending that attack with drones, was far behind in economy. If you watch the drone vs scv count it was basically over even though he defended it. MMA followed it up with marine pressure that killed idra, but it wouldnt have really mattered looking at his eco advantage.
No, MMA followed it up with a 4 rax all-in which IdrA did not scout. He continued droning up and had no units. That's why he lost.
Start watching more DRG and Leenock games. The new GSL season is starting soon.
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On October 31 2011 04:42 chestnutman wrote:
The games were played 2 days ago, just checked beasty's account.
can you attest to the first series of the finals matches? seems like there was more time between those and the losers round
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this build looks like a semi all-in 1/1/1 with an expansion?
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On October 31 2011 04:42 Caesarion wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:39 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:34 MrCon wrote:On October 31 2011 04:32 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:27 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:22 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:19 Elean wrote:On October 31 2011 04:17 gh0un wrote:On October 31 2011 04:10 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
he will never change How would you react if someone opened 11/12 against you and put down two bunkers in such a fashion that you cannot attack the marines that are hiding behind them? Would that put a smile on your face? Its extremely annoying and abuses the shit out of melee units. You cant attack it with melee units, and spines arent able to kill bunkers that are being repaired (remember the game boxer vs idra at the last mlg where idra had 3 spines attacking the bunker? it didnt even budge). What should zerg build to destroy that bunker? 6 spines? 10? Building so many spines is game anyway. Its an annoying rush and takes alot away from the game in my opinion. All you have to do to defend this is to drone scout. Idra deserved to loose. Even the ones that do drone scout will build the hatch before pool and die anyways, even if they scout it afterwards. It comes very early and you cant really count on scouting it before you put down that hatch, because 15 population is extremely early. Sorry no, I have seen other zergs defend it with ease. Stop saying you cannot defend it. As long as you have a good micro, there is no reason not to defend it, not on this map where you are guaranteed to scout in time... if you scout. You are comparing different scenarios with each other. Show me one game where a zerg has defended 11/11 (or any similar early bunker rush) on meta close by air if the bunkers are put in exactly that fashion. Unless the zerg luckily runs into the proxy rax he will hatch first and die. You wont find a single occasion because the games you are referring to are on other maps where it is entirely possible to NOT scout at all and still defend it with ease. This is very defendable if you scout it and have drones in position when the attack comes. I can even tell you one occasion where the zerg did scout it in time and did have drones in position to stop the bunkers from going down. Idra vs MMA second game (the mlg where he gg´ed early against MMA). Idra smashed it but due to the nature of defending that attack with drones, was far behind in economy. If you watch the drone vs scv count it was basically over even though he defended it. MMA followed it up with marine pressure that killed idra, but it wouldnt have really mattered looking at his eco advantage. No, MMA followed it up with a 4 rax all-in which IdrA did not scout. He continued droning up and had no units. That's why he lost. Start watching more DRG and Leenock games. The new GSL season is starting soon.
Watch the drone vs scv count and tell me that you can defend the following all in even if you scout it.
DRG and Leenock die to the same thing often enough, what am i supposed to see there?
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On October 31 2011 04:44 FakeDeath wrote:
this build looks like a semi all-in 1/1/1 with an expansion?
a semi all-in 1/1/1 with an expansion?
lol >_>
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Beasty breaking out the mech, very cool.
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On October 31 2011 04:45 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On October 31 2011 04:44 FakeDeath wrote:
this build looks like a semi all-in 1/1/1 with an expansion? a semi all-in 1/1/1 with an expansion? lol >_> === Beasty breaking out the mech, very cool.
Oh my bad, he just added those factories.
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On October 31 2011 04:44 FakeDeath wrote:
this build looks like a semi all-in 1/1/1 with an expansion?
I can't tell if you're serious...he has an expo and is getting tanks to defend his natural from allins because XC has such a wide nat...he's going to transition into bio with a full energy raven and some tanks.
Edit: lol he's meching, wow
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