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On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome  wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him. sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans. puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp
Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.
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On October 03 2011 17:04 jyisvip wrote: This translator is kind of bad. Puma said he would still use 1/1/1 because even if they know its coming, if they lose to the 1/1/1 the terran gains great advantage in meta game for the next game in the series and thats why he is going to use it.
Just FYI, he is not a translator. He is just the one who understands Korean and should be familiar to the players.
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The translator has to interpret it a bit somehow, some meaning is lost.
He IS perfectly fluent in English, German and Korean though so w/e. Fucking haters.
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On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome  wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him. sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans. puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol. I think it's basically because all the code A protoss have newer styles compared to code S protoss. A lot of warp prism use, a lot of harass, but obviously their competition is much easier than what Puzzle has to go through. People will say code A and code S aren't so different but let me know the next time code A players have a group consisting of Ryung, MKP, and Bomber to get through.
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Also, puma didn't really impress me even though he won dominatingly in all the games. Game 3 was basically Puzzle vs. Bomber in GSL ro32 but when Bomber did it he ended up 60 supply ahead.
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Sorry guys. IEM isn't the measure of how good you are. SangHo is the best toss in the world :D
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On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome  wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him. sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans. puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.
achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants
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I can imagine idra going like "ye go puma 1-1-1 the fuck out of those fucking protoss opshit.."
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On October 03 2011 17:08 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Sorry guys. IEM isn't the measure of how good you are. SangHo is the best toss in the world :D
killer is TSL captain Polt just joined TSL Killer won 2-0 Polt and died horribly to a zerg well it might say something!
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On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome  wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him. sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans. puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol. achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants
1 base PvT is asking to lose swiftly if you are expecting a 1/1/1.
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Puma is Just that good. People like to pretend he isn't probably cause he is in EG and use excuses that he lost to MVP and Coca, two if the best players in the world, in the mlg invite. Its gonna be a good 3 weeks for him with IEM, ipl and mlg in a row.
And to people complaining about 1-1-1, the closest game was the first where puma did the 1-1-1. He just mind fucked jyp so badly and completely outplayed him
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On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome  wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him. sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans. puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol. achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants
You're entitled to your opinion, but you can't say JYP has achieved more than Puzzle. Puzzle won Code A, that trumps anything JYP has done.
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On October 03 2011 17:11 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:08 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Sorry guys. IEM isn't the measure of how good you are. SangHo is the best toss in the world :D killer is TSL captain Polt just joined TSL Killer won 2-0 Polt and died horribly to a zerg well it might say something!
to be fair that game vs DRG was pretty silly...
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On October 03 2011 17:12 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome  wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him. sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans. puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol. achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants You're entitled to your opinion, but you can't say JYP has achieved more than Puzzle. Puzzle won Code A, that trumps anything JYP has done.
everything i said is MY opinion, if it wasn't why would i say it? and also i didn't say JYP achieved more, it's like a (not the same) signal =/=
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On October 03 2011 17:13 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:11 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:08 ItsMeDomLee wrote: Sorry guys. IEM isn't the measure of how good you are. SangHo is the best toss in the world :D killer is TSL captain Polt just joined TSL Killer won 2-0 Polt and died horribly to a zerg well it might say something! to be fair that game vs DRG was pretty silly... Agreed. weird play by killer, i wonder how it would have went if the game went on longer.
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On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome  wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him. sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans. puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol. achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants
Lol, so he does a 1 base win in one out of 3 games and thats all the builds he has and only reason he won, yea ok. Stupid excuses, if anything Puma should be praised for mind fucking/intimidating the opponent, it is an essential skill in a game like sc2. In reality though if you reversed the order of those games, and Puma did the 1-1-1 in the 3rd game, he still would have won 3-0 I'd bet my last dollar. JYP sucks vs Terran period, not just a certain build.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1115&part=games&league=standard&vs=T
12 loses in a row and definitely not all 1-1-1. JYP will never win a tournament if he can't beat the most popular/successful race in sc2 so his hype is dumb. Puma has no weak matchups, especially none he'd lose 12 games in a row and have a 25% win rate like Jyp at (puma is 60-73% in every matchup). The better player won this series, period.
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strelok, dimaga =(((((( protoss up, sure. oh well, once again terrans have to rely on puma as their last hope!
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No real surprises today. - Dimaga might be the better player than Hasuobs, but he never found a real answer to Hasuobs' style in all the games they played so far. - Revival sucks vs Zerg. - Elfi has an interesting playstyle, I hope he advances to he final. He might have a very small chance against Puma. - Did anyone expect JYP to do well against Puma?
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On October 03 2011 17:11 jmbthirteen wrote: Puma is Just that good. People like to pretend he isn't probably cause he is in EG and use excuses that he lost to MVP and Coca, two if the best players in the world, in the mlg invite. Its gonna be a good 3 weeks for him with IEM, ipl and mlg in a row.
And to people complaining about 1-1-1, the closest game was the first where puma did the 1-1-1. He just mind fucked jyp so badly and completely outplayed him
He was mindfucking the shit out of him. I hope he wore a condom.
I'm curious to see if he can perform as well across 3 weeks of travelling. I wonder how they plan on doing it. Probably go straight from this to IPL then there's a couple days of downtime between that and Orlando. Go to EG house or chill in Orlando?
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On October 03 2011 17:14 Akhee wrote:Show nested quote +On October 03 2011 17:12 AxionSteel wrote:On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome  wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him. sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans. puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol. achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants You're entitled to your opinion, but you can't say JYP has achieved more than Puzzle. Puzzle won Code A, that trumps anything JYP has done. everything i said is MY opinion, if it wasn't why would i say it? and also i didn't say JYP achieved more, it's like a (not the same) signal =/=
Uh, you are indirectly, by saying Puzzle is worse than JYP because he hasn't achieved anything. JYP is terrible against terran, you blindly call imbalance of course, but that really was very poor play.
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