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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 03 2011 08:05 GMT
#2061
On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:
top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome

wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him.


sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg

I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans.

puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp


Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42416 Posts
October 03 2011 08:06 GMT
#2062
On October 03 2011 17:04 jyisvip wrote:
This translator is kind of bad.
Puma said he would still use 1/1/1 because even if they know its coming, if they lose to the 1/1/1 the terran gains great advantage in meta game for the next game in the series and thats why he is going to use it.


Just FYI, he is not a translator. He is just the one who understands Korean and should be familiar to the players.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
BEARDiaguz
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Australia2362 Posts
October 03 2011 08:07 GMT
#2063
The translator has to interpret it a bit somehow, some meaning is lost.

He IS perfectly fluent in English, German and Korean though so w/e. Fucking haters.
ProgamerAustralian alcohol user follow @iaguzSC2
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 03 2011 08:07 GMT
#2064
On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:
top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome

wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him.


sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg

I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans.

puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp


Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.

I think it's basically because all the code A protoss have newer styles compared to code S protoss. A lot of warp prism use, a lot of harass, but obviously their competition is much easier than what Puzzle has to go through. People will say code A and code S aren't so different but let me know the next time code A players have a group consisting of Ryung, MKP, and Bomber to get through.
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
October 03 2011 08:08 GMT
#2065
Also, puma didn't really impress me even though he won dominatingly in all the games. Game 3 was basically Puzzle vs. Bomber in GSL ro32 but when Bomber did it he ended up 60 supply ahead.
ItsMeDomLee
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada2732 Posts
October 03 2011 08:08 GMT
#2066
Sorry guys. IEM isn't the measure of how good you are. SangHo is the best toss in the world :D
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 08:09:59
October 03 2011 08:09 GMT
#2067
On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:
top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome

wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him.


sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg

I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans.

puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp


Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.


achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants
skrotcyk
Profile Joined March 2011
Sweden432 Posts
October 03 2011 08:10 GMT
#2068
I can imagine idra going like "ye go puma 1-1-1 the fuck out of those fucking protoss opshit.."
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
October 03 2011 08:11 GMT
#2069
On October 03 2011 17:08 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Sorry guys. IEM isn't the measure of how good you are. SangHo is the best toss in the world :D


killer is TSL captain
Polt just joined TSL
Killer won 2-0 Polt and died horribly to a zerg
well it might say something!
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
October 03 2011 08:11 GMT
#2070
On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:
top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome

wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him.


sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg

I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans.

puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp


Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.


achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants


1 base PvT is asking to lose swiftly if you are expecting a 1/1/1.
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
October 03 2011 08:11 GMT
#2071
Puma is Just that good. People like to pretend he isn't probably cause he is in EG and use excuses that he lost to MVP and Coca, two if the best players in the world, in the mlg invite. Its gonna be a good 3 weeks for him with IEM, ipl and mlg in a row.

And to people complaining about 1-1-1, the closest game was the first where puma did the 1-1-1. He just mind fucked jyp so badly and completely outplayed him
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 03 2011 08:12 GMT
#2072
On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:
top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome

wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him.


sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg

I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans.

puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp


Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.


achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants


You're entitled to your opinion, but you can't say JYP has achieved more than Puzzle. Puzzle won Code A, that trumps anything JYP has done.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
October 03 2011 08:13 GMT
#2073
On October 03 2011 17:11 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:08 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Sorry guys. IEM isn't the measure of how good you are. SangHo is the best toss in the world :D


killer is TSL captain
Polt just joined TSL
Killer won 2-0 Polt and died horribly to a zerg
well it might say something!


to be fair that game vs DRG was pretty silly...
Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
October 03 2011 08:14 GMT
#2074
On October 03 2011 17:12 AxionSteel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:
top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome

wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him.


sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg

I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans.

puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp


Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.


achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants


You're entitled to your opinion, but you can't say JYP has achieved more than Puzzle. Puzzle won Code A, that trumps anything JYP has done.


everything i said is MY opinion, if it wasn't why would i say it? and also i didn't say JYP achieved more, it's like a (not the same) signal =/=
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
October 03 2011 08:15 GMT
#2075
On October 03 2011 17:13 GreyKnight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:11 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:08 ItsMeDomLee wrote:
Sorry guys. IEM isn't the measure of how good you are. SangHo is the best toss in the world :D


killer is TSL captain
Polt just joined TSL
Killer won 2-0 Polt and died horribly to a zerg
well it might say something!


to be fair that game vs DRG was pretty silly...

Agreed. weird play by killer, i wonder how it would have went if the game went on longer.
Maruprime.
darkest44
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 08:27:23
October 03 2011 08:15 GMT
#2076
On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:
top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome

wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him.


sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg

I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans.

puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp


Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.


achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants


Lol, so he does a 1 base win in one out of 3 games and thats all the builds he has and only reason he won, yea ok. Stupid excuses, if anything Puma should be praised for mind fucking/intimidating the opponent, it is an essential skill in a game like sc2. In reality though if you reversed the order of those games, and Puma did the 1-1-1 in the 3rd game, he still would have won 3-0 I'd bet my last dollar. JYP sucks vs Terran period, not just a certain build.

http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-korean&type=players&id=1115&part=games&league=standard&vs=T

12 loses in a row and definitely not all 1-1-1. JYP will never win a tournament if he can't beat the most popular/successful race in sc2 so his hype is dumb.
Puma has no weak matchups, especially none he'd lose 12 games in a row and have a 25% win rate like Jyp at (puma is 60-73% in every matchup). The better player won this series, period.
Ganseng
Profile Joined July 2011
Russian Federation473 Posts
October 03 2011 08:17 GMT
#2077
strelok, dimaga =((((((
protoss up, sure.
oh well, once again terrans have to rely on puma as their last hope!
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
October 03 2011 08:18 GMT
#2078
No real surprises today.
- Dimaga might be the better player than Hasuobs, but he never found a real answer to Hasuobs' style in all the games they played so far.
- Revival sucks vs Zerg.
- Elfi has an interesting playstyle, I hope he advances to he final. He might have a very small chance against Puma.
- Did anyone expect JYP to do well against Puma?
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
October 03 2011 08:19 GMT
#2079
On October 03 2011 17:11 jmbthirteen wrote:
Puma is Just that good. People like to pretend he isn't probably cause he is in EG and use excuses that he lost to MVP and Coca, two if the best players in the world, in the mlg invite. Its gonna be a good 3 weeks for him with IEM, ipl and mlg in a row.

And to people complaining about 1-1-1, the closest game was the first where puma did the 1-1-1. He just mind fucked jyp so badly and completely outplayed him


He was mindfucking the shit out of him. I hope he wore a condom.

I'm curious to see if he can perform as well across 3 weeks of travelling. I wonder how they plan on doing it. Probably go straight from this to IPL then there's a couple days of downtime between that and Orlando. Go to EG house or chill in Orlando?
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
October 03 2011 08:20 GMT
#2080
On October 03 2011 17:14 Akhee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:12 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:09 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:05 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:03 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 17:00 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:58 Akhee wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:57 dmnum wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:55 Akhee wrote:
top3 protoss in the world losing to a guy that cant even produce 20 supply without getting blocked, awesome

wh...what? Sage, Huk, Puzzle and Genius are definitely better than JYP. Maybe even Killer, hongun and oz are better than him.


sage and huk are, puzzle and genius not, killer can't even stay 5 mins ingame against zerg

I dunno, I'd put Puzzle above him. Winner of Code A, recently beat Thorzain in an online tournament... there's also the fact that he's in SlayerS, a team made up almost entirely of damn good terrans.

puzzle is very very good, he's inladder rank1, but still didnt prove so much in tournaments, he won but FOR ME it wasnt as impressive as jyp


Uh, so what has JYP proven? I'm a big JYP fan, loved some of his PvZ games, but Puzzle has achieved a lot more lol.


achievements =/= ingame play, he just sucks PvT 1base play, but its not just him, is it? Puma is winning protoss for months with 1 build only and/or making guys afraid cause they would never hold it and doing sneaky expansions he didnt really need to do, he could just walk the map and destroy the protoss the time he wants


You're entitled to your opinion, but you can't say JYP has achieved more than Puzzle. Puzzle won Code A, that trumps anything JYP has done.


everything i said is MY opinion, if it wasn't why would i say it? and also i didn't say JYP achieved more, it's like a (not the same) signal =/=


Uh, you are indirectly, by saying Puzzle is worse than JYP because he hasn't achieved anything.
JYP is terrible against terran, you blindly call imbalance of course, but that really was very poor play.
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