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On October 02 2011 10:20 Telcontar wrote: For fuck sakes. That was god awful. I haven't been more frustrated by a game of SC2. That was exactly how 50% of my ZvT's look like. Except that I loose them. No Balance whine btw. Im gold lol -.-
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MorroW is one of the best Zergs for a reason, and he had a good reason to starve the Terran out. I mean look at this marines raping his mutas and broodlords mid game, he could have fucking lost the game right there because marine dps is ridiculous... but he made a good choice and kinda starved out the terran instead. Dont blame him for being passive, it was a good choice of him to win the game.
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On October 02 2011 10:22 Eury wrote: This is just how Morrow plays vs Terran. According to him it is just too risky trying to go for the kill against Terrans so he just starve them out.
starving out includes not allowing his opponent to expand, which he never does
i think he's just not confident in the midgame/unaware of the ingame situation, there's been ton of similar frustrating games by morrow lately
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On October 02 2011 10:22 Eury wrote: This is just how Morrow plays vs Terran. According to him it is just too risky trying to go for the kill against Terrans so he just starve them out.
IMO he just doesn't know how to engage properly. He should take lessons from DRG.
On October 02 2011 10:24 Deekin[ wrote: MorroW is one of the best Zergs for a reason, and he had a good reason to starve the Terran out. I mean look at this marines raping his mutas and broodlords mid game, he could have fucking lost the game right there because marine dps is ridiculous... but he made a good choice and kinda starved out the terran instead. Dont blame him for being passive, it was a good choice of him to win the game.
This happens because you engage on open ground, without enough infestors. Bad positioning, bad unit composition, bad battle overall. I insist, his engagements are really poor. His decision making is pretty good though, I think he realizes his problems in ZvT, and as such opts to drag the game out like that, but he could improve a lot by engaging better.
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On October 02 2011 10:23 lariat wrote: Morrow's style ensures that he can't win more than one game because its just so taxing to play multiple one hour games :| If you are a pro gamer i would think its pretty relaxing to just chill a game out.
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I tuned in the last 10 minutes, of morrw vs ryung, LOL WTF! WTF!?
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i thought that was a very good and entertaining game. their army size was pretty similar it seemed to me, not that much of a blowout. ryung just had no workers, thats y his food count was so much lower
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On October 02 2011 10:24 Deekin[ wrote: MorroW is one of the best Zergs for a reason, and he had a good reason to starve the Terran out. I mean look at this marines raping his mutas and broodlords mid game, he could have fucking lost the game right there because marine dps is ridiculous... but he made a good choice and kinda starved out the terran instead. Dont blame him for being passive, it was a good choice of him to win the game. that only happened because morrow suicided his units, if he would have attacked with the brood in the front he would have won that engagement
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There's safe, then there's so safe that it's actually risky. MorroW needs to find the line.
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That was a very epic game, haha. It seems like Morrow was thinking 'okay, I've got 3/4 of the map controlled, and he's nearly mined out. Let's turtle up and starve him. Also Ultras
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On October 02 2011 09:23 Antithesis wrote:Ya, he delayed his 3rd forever, althoug Ryung applied only little pressure in the early midgame.
tbh Lots is probaby a stronger tvz player than Ryung.
also, can someone recap the Hasu game for me?
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On October 02 2011 10:26 icarly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 09:23 Antithesis wrote:On October 02 2011 09:14 SafeAsCheese wrote: his opponent is playing scared Ya, he delayed his 3rd forever, althoug Ryung applied only little pressure in the early midgame. tbh Lots is probaby a stronger tvz player than Ryung. also, can someone recap the Hasu game for me? It was a pretty good game, centered around controlling casters and mid plateau.
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On October 02 2011 10:26 icarly wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 09:23 Antithesis wrote:On October 02 2011 09:14 SafeAsCheese wrote: his opponent is playing scared Ya, he delayed his 3rd forever, althoug Ryung applied only little pressure in the early midgame. tbh Lots is probaby a stronger tvz player than Ryung. also, can someone recap the Hasu game for me? Ryung took an early econ advantage(15CC) and then constantly pressured Hasu the entire game.
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no stim on creep? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I'm a Korean Terran.
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Ahhh! I'm never going to be able to build a drone again.
/well....a everybody heard about the drone/ /drone drone drone a drone drone drone/
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On October 02 2011 10:25 Telcontar wrote: There's safe, then there's so safe that it's actually risky. MorroW needs to find the line. He killed/denied the expansions of ryung and that's the only thing he has to do. It's never risky if you have 4 bases, the better army and a lot ressources against a player with zero income.
If we have to blame someone for the last 10 minutes, it's Ryung.
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On October 02 2011 10:24 Tsubbi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:22 Eury wrote: This is just how Morrow plays vs Terran. According to him it is just too risky trying to go for the kill against Terrans so he just starve them out. starving out includes not allowing his opponent to expand, which he never does i think he's just not confident in the midgame/unaware of the ingame situation, there's been ton of similar frustrating games by morrow lately He never allowed Ryung to expand past his third. The fourth and fifth were constantly denied.
Very solid late game by Morrow, and the first big engagement was excellent too.
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Morrow seems like he wants to bane bust that planetary.
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On October 02 2011 10:31 vdale wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 10:25 Telcontar wrote: There's safe, then there's so safe that it's actually risky. MorroW needs to find the line. He killed/denied the expansions of ryung and that's the only thing he has to do. It's never risky if you have 4 bases, the better army and a lot ressources against a player with zero income. If we have to blame someone for the last 10 minutes, it's Ryung.
I have to agree, containing and starving out your opponent when you have the lead is strategically the correct move. It was nice to see it pulled off against a very good player
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