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jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
September 02 2011 21:07 GMT
#401
On September 03 2011 06:03 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:50 Adebisi wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:49 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
Im confused as to why Slayers Boxer is there, since he was third in Anaheim (1st MVP second MMA, both had Code S, MMA got his from previous one he won). Just like DRG got his code S by being 3rd after MVP and Coca (both Code S). Why boxer isnt code S as well?

MMA did not have Code S, he won it over BoxeR.


How so? What about Columbus? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Columbus

The partnership with GSL started on columbus, it was announced here on TL and on SotG that 1st place would get Code S and top 3 non-koreans code A in GSL August. MMA placed first should have his code S from columbus, in Anaheim he won the code S again?

There was no code s spot up for grabs at columbus because gsl needed to change their format to fit the mlg spot.
www.superbeerbrothers.com
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
September 02 2011 21:10 GMT
#402
Well, I guess Hero DIDNT get code A.
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
September 02 2011 21:10 GMT
#403
On September 03 2011 06:10 caradoc wrote:
Well, I guess Hero DIDNT get code A.


Only non-koreans can get the Code A invite.
You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
Jackle
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada859 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 21:13:09
September 02 2011 21:12 GMT
#404
On September 03 2011 06:03 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:50 Adebisi wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:49 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
Im confused as to why Slayers Boxer is there, since he was third in Anaheim (1st MVP second MMA, both had Code S, MMA got his from previous one he won). Just like DRG got his code S by being 3rd after MVP and Coca (both Code S). Why boxer isnt code S as well?

MMA did not have Code S, he won it over BoxeR.


How so? What about Columbus? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Columbus

The partnership with GSL started on columbus, it was announced here on TL and on SotG that 1st place would get Code S and top 3 non-koreans code A in GSL August. MMA placed first should have his code S from columbus, in Anaheim he won the code S again?


Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.

You called down the thunder, now reap the whirlwind.
caradoc
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada3022 Posts
September 02 2011 21:12 GMT
#405
On September 03 2011 06:10 Jackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 06:10 caradoc wrote:
Well, I guess Hero DIDNT get code A.


Only non-koreans can get the Code A invite.



apparently, though people were wondering specifically what non-korean meant.

also, team USA? errr
Salvation a la mode and a cup of tea...
Megiddosc
Profile Joined April 2011
United States966 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 21:18:15
September 02 2011 21:16 GMT
#406
The "Team USA!" is a joke from the GSL World Championship. Tastosis would jokingly refer to the 'World' team as "Team USA".

I love how GOM is casting these qualifiers (and particularly appreciate Torch's involvement as I've heard this was his initiative/work). I love seeing some of the up-and-coming players.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
September 02 2011 21:17 GMT
#407
Why is this so hard for people to understand? The Code A spots from MLG are only for players the Koreans consider "foreigners", simple as that. It's to make GSL more international and attract more foreign interest. Hero doesn't make GSL more international, neither does Puma, regardless of their team.
DaRKMaTT3r
Profile Joined November 2010
Brazil553 Posts
September 02 2011 21:27 GMT
#408
On September 03 2011 06:12 Jackle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 06:03 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:50 Adebisi wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:49 DaRKMaTT3r wrote:
Im confused as to why Slayers Boxer is there, since he was third in Anaheim (1st MVP second MMA, both had Code S, MMA got his from previous one he won). Just like DRG got his code S by being 3rd after MVP and Coca (both Code S). Why boxer isnt code S as well?

MMA did not have Code S, he won it over BoxeR.


How so? What about Columbus? http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Columbus

The partnership with GSL started on columbus, it was announced here on TL and on SotG that 1st place would get Code S and top 3 non-koreans code A in GSL August. MMA placed first should have his code S from columbus, in Anaheim he won the code S again?


Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:

Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, within the Top 3, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
Code S status will not be awarded if all of the players placing 1st-3rd already have Code S Status.
Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, or not awarded at all, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.



Thanks for the explanation. Thats unfortunate, was hoping to see Boxer back in code S, hopefully he will do it this season. =D

Also Go go Hero and Jinro!
Raysalis
Profile Joined July 2010
Malaysia1034 Posts
September 02 2011 21:38 GMT
#409
Yellow fighting!!
:)
arQ
Profile Joined October 2010
1033 Posts
September 02 2011 21:40 GMT
#410
Excited to see if

1. Jinro has found the motivation again to practice his ass off and get into the league.
2. Yellow has any shot at all.
3. If the foreigners will do better this time around, and
4. + Show Spoiler +
If Fenix can show as good games as he did beating oGs in GSTL


Foreigners fighting!
"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition." -Carl Sagan || Flash || Mvp || Naniwa ||
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33723 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 21:42:58
September 02 2011 21:41 GMT
#411
On September 03 2011 05:39 BeefEU wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:36 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 03 2011 04:11 -Archangel- wrote:
On September 03 2011 03:51 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Well if you look at Huk and Jinros Koean results they are very similar... Huk has a lot of nice finishes while Jinros just has 2 semifinals.

This is a joke post right. Just 2 semifinals? Lol. Those 2 semifinals mean more then any win Huk has made.

Huk can only compare himself to Idra at the moment, not Jinro. He has a lot more to do to be as successful as Jinro.

IN GSL I agree.

Overall, I dont agree - Huk has done more, Dreamhack and Homestory back to back... just insane~

I am playing btw, on sunday.


This is gonna be awesome,

I'm gonna be rooting for you like crazu sunday Jinro! I'm 100 you'll do it!!!

Jinrooo hwaitingggggggggg

I dont think Im ready yet, but I want to play anyway. I ll be ready (REALLY ready) for the next one I think. I have practiced a lot but still have many things to work on, and the way getting better works, at least for me, isnt going to be instant.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
September 02 2011 21:46 GMT
#412
On September 03 2011 06:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:39 BeefEU wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:36 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 03 2011 04:11 -Archangel- wrote:
On September 03 2011 03:51 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Well if you look at Huk and Jinros Koean results they are very similar... Huk has a lot of nice finishes while Jinros just has 2 semifinals.

This is a joke post right. Just 2 semifinals? Lol. Those 2 semifinals mean more then any win Huk has made.

Huk can only compare himself to Idra at the moment, not Jinro. He has a lot more to do to be as successful as Jinro.

IN GSL I agree.

Overall, I dont agree - Huk has done more, Dreamhack and Homestory back to back... just insane~

I am playing btw, on sunday.


This is gonna be awesome,

I'm gonna be rooting for you like crazu sunday Jinro! I'm 100 you'll do it!!!

Jinrooo hwaitingggggggggg

I dont think Im ready yet, but I want to play anyway. I ll be ready (REALLY ready) for the next one I think. I have practiced a lot but still have many things to work on, and the way getting better works, at least for me, isnt going to be instant.


Whenever you decide to return we'll all be rooting for you!
murtas
Profile Joined December 2010
Portugal249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-02 21:52:02
September 02 2011 21:47 GMT
#413
On September 03 2011 05:54 MechKing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:45 murtas wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:30 Sein wrote:
On September 03 2011 04:56 murtas wrote:
I think that is a mistake it is 12AM to 8PM BOTH days.


It goes on for 20 hours each day?


Do you know how to count? Let me help.

12am, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm, 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, now how many hours is that? 8 Hours most likely.

Um I think you mean 12 pm, otherwise he's right that would be 20 hours.


You guys are really that dumb or is it me?

12pm is 24h, 12am is 12h, thus 12h is 12am and not otherwise.

Do you guys have anything in your brains?
Pitto
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia45 Posts
September 02 2011 21:54 GMT
#414
On September 03 2011 06:47 murtas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:54 MechKing wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:45 murtas wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:30 Sein wrote:
On September 03 2011 04:56 murtas wrote:
I think that is a mistake it is 12AM to 8PM BOTH days.


It goes on for 20 hours each day?


Do you know how to count? Let me help.

12am, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm, 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, now how many hours is that? 8 Hours most likely.

Um I think you mean 12 pm, otherwise he's right that would be 20 hours.


You guys are really that dumb or is it me?

12am is 24h, 12pm is 12h, thus 12h is 12pm and not otherwise.

Do you guys have anything in your brains?

ok you can stop being a hero and acting intellectually superior to everyone else, you just wrote
"12am, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm.... etc" and then "12am is 24h, 12pm is 12h, thus 12h is 12pm", so contradicted yourself.

also it is fairly widely known that there is a fair bit of confusion over 12am and 12pm (although i always see 12am as midnight and 12pm as noon) so calling people dumb and being condescending actually just makes you look misinformed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/12-hour_clock#Confusion_at_noon_and_midnight
illumn
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand437 Posts
September 02 2011 21:54 GMT
#415
On September 03 2011 06:47 murtas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:54 MechKing wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:45 murtas wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:30 Sein wrote:
On September 03 2011 04:56 murtas wrote:
I think that is a mistake it is 12AM to 8PM BOTH days.


It goes on for 20 hours each day?


Do you know how to count? Let me help.

12am, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm, 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, now how many hours is that? 8 Hours most likely.

Um I think you mean 12 pm, otherwise he's right that would be 20 hours.


You guys are really that dumb or is it me?

12pm is 24h, 12am is 12h, thus 12h is 12am and not otherwise.

Do you guys have anything in your brains?


No need to be so rude.

12 a.m. means midnight in many parts of the world.
MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
September 02 2011 21:56 GMT
#416
On September 03 2011 05:36 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 04:11 -Archangel- wrote:
On September 03 2011 03:51 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Well if you look at Huk and Jinros Koean results they are very similar... Huk has a lot of nice finishes while Jinros just has 2 semifinals.

This is a joke post right. Just 2 semifinals? Lol. Those 2 semifinals mean more then any win Huk has made.

Huk can only compare himself to Idra at the moment, not Jinro. He has a lot more to do to be as successful as Jinro.

IN GSL I agree.

Overall, I dont agree - Huk has done more, Dreamhack and Homestory back to back... just insane~

I am playing btw, on sunday.



yeye go jinro, shouldn't be that difficult unless you run in to some gosu
Prime/MarineKing!!! www.twitter.com/DayTripperSC
TofuFox
Profile Joined November 2010
374 Posts
September 02 2011 21:58 GMT
#417
On September 03 2011 06:47 murtas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:54 MechKing wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:45 murtas wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:30 Sein wrote:
On September 03 2011 04:56 murtas wrote:
I think that is a mistake it is 12AM to 8PM BOTH days.


It goes on for 20 hours each day?


Do you know how to count? Let me help.

12am, 1pm, 2pm, 3pm, 4pm, 5pm, 6pm, 7pm, 8pm, now how many hours is that? 8 Hours most likely.

Um I think you mean 12 pm, otherwise he's right that would be 20 hours.


You guys are really that dumb or is it me?

12pm is 24h, 12am is 12h, thus 12h is 12am and not otherwise.

Do you guys have anything in your brains?


Don't worry, it's you, for assuming.

12pm = 12:00 Military (24hr) time in the US.
12am = 0:00 Military (24hr) time in the US.
12am to 8pm would be 20hrs.

Maybe it's different in Portugal?

That said - it's at
September 3rd ~ 4th 12 PM ~ 8 PM KST
From http://www.gomtv.net/event/GSLOctoberCodeA_Live.gom
I'd assume that's 8 hrs.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
September 02 2011 22:04 GMT
#418
On September 03 2011 06:41 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 03 2011 05:39 BeefEU wrote:
On September 03 2011 05:36 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
On September 03 2011 04:11 -Archangel- wrote:
On September 03 2011 03:51 sjschmidt93 wrote:
Well if you look at Huk and Jinros Koean results they are very similar... Huk has a lot of nice finishes while Jinros just has 2 semifinals.

This is a joke post right. Just 2 semifinals? Lol. Those 2 semifinals mean more then any win Huk has made.

Huk can only compare himself to Idra at the moment, not Jinro. He has a lot more to do to be as successful as Jinro.

IN GSL I agree.

Overall, I dont agree - Huk has done more, Dreamhack and Homestory back to back... just insane~

I am playing btw, on sunday.


This is gonna be awesome,

I'm gonna be rooting for you like crazu sunday Jinro! I'm 100 you'll do it!!!

Jinrooo hwaitingggggggggg

I dont think Im ready yet, but I want to play anyway. I ll be ready (REALLY ready) for the next one I think. I have practiced a lot but still have many things to work on, and the way getting better works, at least for me, isnt going to be instant.

Jinro you are without a doubt my second most favorite player (Tyler being first! ) and I can't wait to see you get back to form. I like how realistic your expectations are though
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
TheChairman
Profile Joined May 2011
United States46 Posts
September 02 2011 22:08 GMT
#419
What about oGsTheSTC? Is he planning on being there too?
TofuFox
Profile Joined November 2010
374 Posts
September 02 2011 22:09 GMT
#420
Anyone know how much LastShadow is playing? He seemed to disappear for nearly a year.
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