MLG Raleigh Day 2 RED Live Report Thread - Page 266

The following is a list of behaviors that will get immediate bans:

1. Whining about stream
2. Bashing other games
3. Flaming other users
4. Bashing players
5. Complaining about imbalance

Basically just be respectful. Aside from that, enjoy the games, make sure you bring an umbrella and have some delicious waffles! (#)

Eschaton

United States1245 Posts

August 27 2011 21:22 GMT

#5301

It's weird, but I don't think I've actually ever seen haypro win a game.

Jyvblamo

Canada13788 Posts

August 27 2011 21:22 GMT

#5302

On August 28 2011 06:21 jyLee wrote:

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Since when was Slush considered a test to a korean protoss player.

Test to see if his mouse drivers and stuff were working.

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

August 27 2011 21:22 GMT

#5303

On August 28 2011 06:21 Drazerk wrote:

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2:20

Hatch first for haypro

2:40

Pool going down for haypro

Bomber getting orbital

xXFireandIceXx

Canada4296 Posts

August 27 2011 21:22 GMT

#5304

another bunker from bomber

Evangelist

1246 Posts

August 27 2011 21:22 GMT

#5305

Watching these Korean terrans and the top foreigners (Thorzain especially) has done more for my performance in TvZ than anything else. The calm way with which they deal with mutas is something really special.

Bomber is fantastic. I did like that roach play from Haypro. I imagine that would have broken most non-Korean terrans, especially if they didn't do that supply depot wall.

Mouzone

3937 Posts

August 27 2011 21:22 GMT

#5306

Nice to see you up and running again Drazerk

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

August 27 2011 21:22 GMT

#5307

On August 28 2011 06:22 Drazerk wrote:

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2:40

Pool going down for haypro

Bomber getting orbital

3:10

Gas on the way for haypro

Bunker going down for bomber

Zane

Romania3916 Posts

August 27 2011 21:22 GMT

#5308

On August 28 2011 06:22 Jyvblamo wrote:

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Test to see if his mouse drivers and stuff were working.

Test to see if he's able to play 2 foreigners in a row without falling asleep.

jmbthirteen

United States10734 Posts

August 27 2011 21:23 GMT

#5309

On August 28 2011 06:22 Jyvblamo wrote:

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Test to see if his mouse drivers and stuff were working.

considering the first game was 55 minutes, it had to be somewhat of a test

xXFireandIceXx

Canada4296 Posts

August 27 2011 21:23 GMT

#5310

bomber starting his nat CC

Drazerk

United Kingdom31255 Posts

August 27 2011 21:23 GMT

#5311

On August 28 2011 06:22 Drazerk wrote:

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3:10

Gas on the way for haypro

Bunker going down for bomber

4:00

Factory going up for Bomber

4:30

Expansion and reactor for bomber

jyLee

United States350 Posts

August 27 2011 21:23 GMT

#5312

On August 28 2011 06:23 jmbthirteen wrote:

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considering the first game was 55 minutes, it had to be somewhat of a test

Hero's mouse must of been completely broken.

Sm3agol

United States2055 Posts

August 27 2011 21:23 GMT

#5313

On August 28 2011 06:21 Hephaistas wrote:

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He was not even close on breaking there lol

If the ~1k minerals Haypro was floating at the time were 40 zerglings, if would have been a rofl cruise for Haypro.

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

August 27 2011 21:24 GMT

#5314

Man bomber didn't focus the same ling there, 2 marines vs 4 lings should end up with at least 2 lings dead

Legace

Sweden342 Posts

August 27 2011 21:24 GMT

#5315

On August 28 2011 06:02 Darpa wrote:

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1 P HuK 1st 3rd 9th 2835
2 p KiWiKaKi 2nd 4th 11th 2445
3 P TT1 8th 14th 2nd 2360
4 T SeleCT 7th 2nd 12th 2200
5 T PainUser 17th 10th 3rd 1970
6 T drewbie 12th 5th 8th 1925
7 P Tyler 25th 6th 4th 1900
8 T Jinro - - 1st 1800
9 Z SLush 11th 7th 10th 1720
10 T qxc 9th 9th 13th 1490
11 Z IdrA - 1st 17th 1440

Winners Huk. Idra, Naniwa, Jinro (seems pretty even to me.

Liquipedia rankings for MLG last season.... 1 Euro.

IPL Champion last season - Idra

Feel free to stop spouting nonsense.

IPL Champion last season - White-Ra.
Runner up; Nerchio.
Third place; MaNa.
Fourth place; ThorZaIN.

You can't seriously consider IPL1 as a sample when only Americans where invited.

xXFireandIceXx

Canada4296 Posts

August 27 2011 21:24 GMT

#5316

again, roach warren going down for haypro

Grumbels

Netherlands7031 Posts

August 27 2011 21:24 GMT

#5317

On August 28 2011 06:19 LegendaryZ wrote:

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On August 28 2011 06:16 Numy wrote:

On August 28 2011 06:14 LegendaryZ wrote:

On August 28 2011 06:06 TT1 wrote:

On August 28 2011 06:02 Orome wrote:

On August 28 2011 05:58 TT1 wrote:

On August 28 2011 05:56 Asha` wrote:

On August 28 2011 05:55 TT1 wrote:
im kinda intrigued in getting ur opinions on who u think the better player is between ret and nada, nada did beat ret yesterday

Poll: Better Player, Ret or NaDa?

Nada (74)

65%

Ret (40)

35%

114 total votes

Your vote: Better Player, Ret or NaDa?

(Vote): Ret
(Vote): Nada

Nada...for now.

So unconvincing lately, but still good enough to be considered all round stronger than Ret.

u sure? from wat i saw yesterday id give ret a 60-40 edge(skillwise)

I think all these skill comparisons are still way too shaky and volatile right now to make much sense. Ret was looking relatively mediocre for quite a while until he absolutely tore through the EU invitational, while Nada was looking extremely strong and a real contender for Code S until he got abolutely dismantled by Byun last season. Right now I would give a small edge to Ret, but that might very well change again soon.

i shit u not all the progamees predicted that ret would crush the blizzard eu before it happened, that was based off of his ingame skill that we saw from him in practice games and such.. we didnt base our decision off of tournaments results(if we used that logic than naniwa should have been the favorite)

So what do you think determines those tournament results? Luck? Maybe once in a while a player will over-perform or under-perform, but over time, you get a pretty accurate view of who's performing consistently. You can't make a serious argument about Ret being better than Nada when Nada is clearly performing consistently well in the most competitive league in the world. That's not to say that Ret wouldn't be able to take a series off Nada, but he just doesn't have the results that would suggest that he is better yet.

Talking about "in-game skill" is pretty much the same as saying "my opinion based on absolutely nothing concrete" since there's no direct way to measure it. Also, you can have all of the "in-game skill" in the world, but if that's not translating into wins in those tournaments, then it's still meaningless.

On the day a person can either bring their A game or they don't. So it's hard to tell just how good someone is potentially just based on results alone.

That's why I specifically pointed out that you need to look at results over time. These players don't play 1 tournament a year. They're constantly competing with each other in various events and over time, you will notice trends.

Also once again, the amount of skill you have is irrelevant if that doesn't translate into wins in leagues and tournaments which is why we take a host of factors into account when evaluating a player, not just how well they micro/macro.

Yes. One problem with looking purely at someone's gameplay is that you lose track of his comfort with a variety of strategies. A player might have incredible macro, but then completely fall apart when facing some unorthodox tactic. Ret loses a lot of games like this, for instance, so when predicting future results has to depend at least somewhat on evaluation of previous results against those players, not just some sort of macro ranking.