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rastaban
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States2294 Posts
August 18 2011 16:46 GMT
#4321
Guys, the most likely reason he played bad is most likely he is having a rough time with the transfer.

Remember Huk, he is the one who basically through a game so he could build a Mothership b/c he thought that is what the crowd wanted. It isn't the on;y reason most likely but Huk loves his fans (Heart probes and Heart pylons) and now a ton of them have turned on him. He is going to be seriously impacted by this no matter how much he trains. Hopefully he can get over it and over time things will calm down but there is no way it isn't affecting him a lot right now.
Tyler: "...damn it, that's StarCraft. Opening doors is what we do. Being the first to find food is the greatest pleasure a player can have!"
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
August 18 2011 16:46 GMT
#4322
On August 19 2011 01:42 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:40 Eufouria wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 CruiseR wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:35 claash wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:34 hugman wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:29 JohnMatrix wrote:
Poland>Sweden right now ?

It's hard to say who's better between Naniwa and Mana
I would say ThorZaIN > Tarson, Nerchio > MorroW & Haypro, but SjoW > DieStar


you can forget people like haypro and sjow to be honest and morrow isnt a 3 top zerg in europe as well.
you gotta compare each of them eachother so im sure poland is better


let's not turn this into X>Y thing, lets just say that top3 european countries are sweden, poland and ukraine for sure.

And Britain. Oh wait our best player hasn't lived here for about a year.


You mean your only player

I don't care how nationality is traditionally decided. Jinro and TangDongHo are British.
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
August 18 2011 16:46 GMT
#4323
On August 19 2011 01:44 syllogism wrote:
Puma reality check

All: 37-16 (69.81%)

And pretty much all games against high level koreans

He for instance 4-1ed Puzzle and 3-0ed Sage

"Since joining TSL, PuMa has been unable to breakthrough in the GSL qualifiers, having yet to appear in any regular season." - Liquipedia

I guess that says a lot. He is not a bad player. But not a great one either.
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 18 2011 16:46 GMT
#4324
On August 19 2011 01:44 CidO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:41 syllogism wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:40 Baituri wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 CidO wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:23 Grumbels wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:21 CidO wrote:
And this is why it's not worth it to buy a player based off a single tournament performance. EG bought into the Hype just the same as netizens seem to only have a 1-2 month max history memory of events.

Puma is good, he's pro level obviously, but Mana has been solid for a while, anyone who picked Puma to beat Mana is just silly

This is so dumb, Puma is way favored playing against Mana.

Why? Because I don't buy into 30 day hype? Get off it - 1 month results are not everything. Look for solid players who post consistent results. Europe is solid. Mana, Nerchio, White-Ra, Dimaga, i'd pick any of those 4 over Puma.


I hope you never bet money, because you would get your ass owned in predictions :X

I hope you never bet money. Betting on someone who only has 1 result and has not shown a lot besides that 1 tournament.

Betting on any solid korean against a foreigner is free money in the long run

Solid Korean - Yes I'd be stupid to bet against one. When he's on his game, MC would be one.

I'd also bet on MVP, MMA, Nestea, Losira, HongUn, Ensnare, Clide, Polt and Bomber to name a few.

Puma though is not on that list. And therefore I would bet against him if say Mana were to play him in IEM.

Go ahead and ask what top korean players and coaches think about Puma. They'll rate him among the top terrans, with the likes of MMA and Bomber, easily. Clide and Ensnare are utter garbage compared to him.
Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 16:47:12
August 18 2011 16:46 GMT
#4325
On August 19 2011 01:44 Madest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:42 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:40 Eufouria wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 CruiseR wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:35 claash wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:34 hugman wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:29 JohnMatrix wrote:
Poland>Sweden right now ?

It's hard to say who's better between Naniwa and Mana
I would say ThorZaIN > Tarson, Nerchio > MorroW & Haypro, but SjoW > DieStar


you can forget people like haypro and sjow to be honest and morrow isnt a 3 top zerg in europe as well.
you gotta compare each of them eachother so im sure poland is better


let's not turn this into X>Y thing, lets just say that top3 european countries are sweden, poland and ukraine for sure.

And Britain. Oh wait our best player hasn't lived here for about a year.


You mean your only player


You know why british are not so good in SC2?

They focus on RPGs, because they like to loot.


That actually made me giggle. Well played sir.
Radook
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden326 Posts
August 18 2011 16:46 GMT
#4326
So many pre-teen keyboard warriors lashing out at players.

Shame that that people cant just enjoy games without player bashing. Try to make this rule for your self: Don´t take crap about people that are miles better then your self.
Woop Woop!
UNeeK
Profile Joined January 2011
United States237 Posts
August 18 2011 16:46 GMT
#4327
On August 19 2011 01:41 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:40 ZAiNs wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 HitMonkie wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:36 AlBundy wrote:
Flying all around the world in order to compete in various tournaments in nice and all, but it seems that it kinda prevents the players from playing to the maximum of their ability. I don't think one can reach a reasonnable level of consistency by travelling all over the place.



Koreans do it all the time and they still dominate.

The excuse about Jetlag is getting old.

He played badly and got stomped, that's it.

He played badly because of all the travelling he has done. In the last few weeks: Korea (GSL) > America (MLG) > Finland (Assembly) > America (Blizzcon Qualifier) > Korea (GSL) > Germany (IEM).
Before his HSC3/Dreamhack run he hadn't travelled very much and had a lot of time to practice.

but somehow he won his code S games, dunno about quality of the games didnt watch


you could say he won his code s games or you could say killer lost his code s games... honestly.. not hating on huk but killer should have for sure beat him in their 2nd meeting in code s...
syllogism
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland5948 Posts
August 18 2011 16:47 GMT
#4328
On August 19 2011 01:46 Baituri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:44 syllogism wrote:
Puma reality check

All: 37-16 (69.81%)

And pretty much all games against high level koreans

He for instance 4-1ed Puzzle and 3-0ed Sage

"Since joining TSL, PuMa has been unable to breakthrough in the GSL qualifiers, having yet to appear in any regular season." - Liquipedia

I guess that says a lot. He is not a bad player. But not a great one either.

Kind of like DRG until this GSL and a lot of other top players
Sevitan
Profile Joined June 2011
7 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 16:49:09
August 18 2011 16:47 GMT
#4329
So I wonder how long till EG buys MaNa (and how long until he starts sucking due to EGitis).
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
August 18 2011 16:47 GMT
#4330
On August 19 2011 01:46 Baituri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:44 syllogism wrote:
Puma reality check

All: 37-16 (69.81%)

And pretty much all games against high level koreans

He for instance 4-1ed Puzzle and 3-0ed Sage

"Since joining TSL, PuMa has been unable to breakthrough in the GSL qualifiers, having yet to appear in any regular season." - Liquipedia

I guess that says a lot. He is not a bad player. But not a great one either.


MMA couldn't either, he had to win a MLG (easier than NASL) to get his Code S spot

Is MMA not great?
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
August 18 2011 16:47 GMT
#4331
I just hope both polish players are going to be on both sides of the brackets and that 2 koreans are going to bump on eachother in quarters

go go go !!!
T H C makes ppl happy
sopas
Profile Joined July 2011
509 Posts
August 18 2011 16:47 GMT
#4332
On August 19 2011 01:46 flowSthead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:42 teddyoojo wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:39 flowSthead wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:35 claash wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:34 hugman wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:29 JohnMatrix wrote:
Poland>Sweden right now ?

It's hard to say who's better between Naniwa and Mana
I would say ThorZaIN > Tarson, Nerchio > MorroW & Haypro, but SjoW > DieStar


you can forget people like haypro and sjow to be honest and morrow isnt a 3 top zerg in europe as well.
you gotta compare each of them eachother so im sure poland is better


Wait what? You can forget Sjow for some reason? I don't understand your reasoning at all.

sjow is FAR away from being a decent player. he cant multitask for S**T. he just won because terran was OP and everyone was bad. nowadays skill actually matters much more than back then. you cant just win with a decently executed strategy.


Sjow did pretty decently at Assembly, losing to Mana, but beating TLO, Adelscott and Happy. At Anaheim he beat Sheth, Cruncher, and Haypro, losing to Huk. How does any of these recent results mean that Sjow is bad?

i guess it means sjow is not the type to attract drooling teenboys as fans.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
August 18 2011 16:47 GMT
#4333
On August 19 2011 01:46 Asymmetric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:44 Madest wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:42 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:40 Eufouria wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 CruiseR wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:35 claash wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:34 hugman wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:29 JohnMatrix wrote:
Poland>Sweden right now ?

It's hard to say who's better between Naniwa and Mana
I would say ThorZaIN > Tarson, Nerchio > MorroW & Haypro, but SjoW > DieStar


you can forget people like haypro and sjow to be honest and morrow isnt a 3 top zerg in europe as well.
you gotta compare each of them eachother so im sure poland is better


let's not turn this into X>Y thing, lets just say that top3 european countries are sweden, poland and ukraine for sure.

And Britain. Oh wait our best player hasn't lived here for about a year.


You mean your only player


You know why british are not so good in SC2?

They focus on RPGs, because they like to loot.


That actual made me giggle. Well played sir.


We'll get sick good at LoL because we like Riot games.
AntiGrav1ty
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany2310 Posts
August 18 2011 16:47 GMT
#4334
On August 19 2011 01:44 Madest wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:42 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:40 Eufouria wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 CruiseR wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:35 claash wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:34 hugman wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:29 JohnMatrix wrote:
Poland>Sweden right now ?

It's hard to say who's better between Naniwa and Mana
I would say ThorZaIN > Tarson, Nerchio > MorroW & Haypro, but SjoW > DieStar


you can forget people like haypro and sjow to be honest and morrow isnt a 3 top zerg in europe as well.
you gotta compare each of them eachother so im sure poland is better


let's not turn this into X>Y thing, lets just say that top3 european countries are sweden, poland and ukraine for sure.

And Britain. Oh wait our best player hasn't lived here for about a year.


You mean your only player


You know why british are not so good in SC2?

They focus on RPGs, because they like to loot.


Oh man, that was mean :D

Regarding Huk: I really think he needs to tone down the traveling for a while. I've never been a huge fan of him but he can clearly play better. I think the last couple of weeks just have been too much with all the traveling and the fuzz about eg. He needs to lay low for a month and just get into a normal training routine again.
www.twitch.tv/antigrav1ty
SafeAsCheese
Profile Joined June 2011
United States4924 Posts
August 18 2011 16:48 GMT
#4335
On August 19 2011 01:47 Sevitan wrote:
So I wonder how long till EG buys MaNa (and holw long until he starts sucking due to EGitis).


Every single one of your posts is bashing EG or incontrol...
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
August 18 2011 16:48 GMT
#4336
On August 19 2011 01:47 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:46 Baituri wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:44 syllogism wrote:
Puma reality check

All: 37-16 (69.81%)

And pretty much all games against high level koreans

He for instance 4-1ed Puzzle and 3-0ed Sage

"Since joining TSL, PuMa has been unable to breakthrough in the GSL qualifiers, having yet to appear in any regular season." - Liquipedia

I guess that says a lot. He is not a bad player. But not a great one either.


MMA couldn't either, he had to win a MLG (easier than NASL) to get his Code S spot

Is MMA not great?


MMA made it through the qualifiers...
icarly
Profile Joined August 2011
United States400 Posts
August 18 2011 16:48 GMT
#4337
On August 19 2011 01:47 SafeAsCheese wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:46 Baituri wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:44 syllogism wrote:
Puma reality check

All: 37-16 (69.81%)

And pretty much all games against high level koreans

He for instance 4-1ed Puzzle and 3-0ed Sage

"Since joining TSL, PuMa has been unable to breakthrough in the GSL qualifiers, having yet to appear in any regular season." - Liquipedia

I guess that says a lot. He is not a bad player. But not a great one either.


MMA couldn't either, he had to win a MLG (easier than NASL) to get his Code S spot

Is MMA not great?


MMA made it into Code A and performed well
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 18 2011 16:48 GMT
#4338
On August 19 2011 01:46 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 19 2011 01:44 CidO wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:41 syllogism wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:40 Baituri wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 SafeAsCheese wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:37 CidO wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:23 Grumbels wrote:
On August 19 2011 01:21 CidO wrote:
And this is why it's not worth it to buy a player based off a single tournament performance. EG bought into the Hype just the same as netizens seem to only have a 1-2 month max history memory of events.

Puma is good, he's pro level obviously, but Mana has been solid for a while, anyone who picked Puma to beat Mana is just silly

This is so dumb, Puma is way favored playing against Mana.

Why? Because I don't buy into 30 day hype? Get off it - 1 month results are not everything. Look for solid players who post consistent results. Europe is solid. Mana, Nerchio, White-Ra, Dimaga, i'd pick any of those 4 over Puma.


I hope you never bet money, because you would get your ass owned in predictions :X

I hope you never bet money. Betting on someone who only has 1 result and has not shown a lot besides that 1 tournament.

Betting on any solid korean against a foreigner is free money in the long run

Solid Korean - Yes I'd be stupid to bet against one. When he's on his game, MC would be one.

I'd also bet on MVP, MMA, Nestea, Losira, HongUn, Ensnare, Clide, Polt and Bomber to name a few.

Puma though is not on that list. And therefore I would bet against him if say Mana were to play him in IEM.

Go ahead and ask what top korean players and coaches think about Puma. They'll rate him among the top terrans, with the likes of MMA and Bomber, easily. Clide and Ensnare are utter garbage compared to him.


lol?
www.twitter.com/FXOpenESports
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
August 18 2011 16:48 GMT
#4339
so mana and nerchio in finals! )
Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 16:49:53
August 18 2011 16:48 GMT
#4340
am i the only one expected mana make 3-0 in the group with only chance lose to stephano ? (only game he played 2-1)

i mean expect his pvz his pvt and pvp are so strong i could never see puma or sase beat him

look assembly what he did to terrans and protoss gamers


also for all who think puma only 1 tour ... he made 1st in the qualy whats huge and then rape all on nasl final including MC dudes watch the games he is one of the best terrans out there
Nb.Drake / CoL_Drake / Original Joined TL.net Tuesday, 15th of March 2005
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