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On August 08 2011 14:41 tuho12345 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:37 Medrea wrote:On August 08 2011 14:36 tuho12345 wrote:
nice advice Wolf. Might be interesting, i don't think FE is the counter to this build as other ppl said You have to be able to hold your front choke. Otherwise seige tanks are going to do there thing and make it so you cant leave for a loooooooong time. Well, thing is you see this build coming right? So just make a bunch of units and couple immortal as much as you can and wait for it to come and fight head on. Either way you lose, so why not just try it
I like to halt everything from the robo and get 3 or so pheonixes via chrono. It works for me but I dont know about that highest level of play how it goes. I feel like the stargate into phoenix response will come into meta game at the pro l2evel fairly soon though.
it takes a lot of stalkers to clean up 4 banshees. But only 1 leftover phoenix with an obs.
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YoDa better not lose to thebest.
LOL what, really Wolf?
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On August 08 2011 14:43 HolyArrow wrote:
Loner is not the best Chinese Terran. That's just a myth probably born from how Tastetosis called him the best Chinese player a while back.
is Loner still in Korea playing for PRIME? haven't seen him for awhile
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On August 08 2011 14:42 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 08 2011 14:39 SenorChang wrote:On August 08 2011 14:37 babylon wrote:On August 08 2011 14:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 08 2011 14:34 Crashburn wrote:
We're back to derpderp 1 base terran builds? Don't think I'll be watching Code A any more. Better not watch Code S then. Bomber used it vs MC last season. Bomber pulled the all-in because he hated the map, right? That was my impression, at least. Lol that kind of reasoning doesn't make sense. I can justify why player X did it but since player Y does it he's a noob who doesn't know how to play! Bomber's all-in against MC was more mindgames than anything. He said in an interview that he plays against MC a lot on ladder and that MC wouldn't expect that build in the GSL. He also played 3 very standard games against him at dreamhack. I suppose. But at the end of the day these guys are trying to become professional players and they will do what it takes to win - if they don't then they are being foolish. If I had a build that gave me a 90% winrate and chose not to use it in competition because it was cheesy.. well that would be dumb. Do what it takes to win! Eventually it will get figured out and won't be as effective so exploiting it while it is strong is smart
Yeah, I think the only terran I haven't seen do that build is MVP. It's kinda like how all terrans (and I mean just like every terran in the world) will do 2 rax and if it wins outright they win and you can't blame the player for using a good build.
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On August 08 2011 14:43 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:35 Moralez wrote:
Stop the balance whine in a LR thread. Just because you dont like a build doesnt mean the player is bad rofl.
Vanvan could have stopped that easily he just attacked when he really shouldnt. why do you give yourself the freedom to talk when you clearly never faced that push, and, 2, dont even understand the fact that if the bunker finishes, he just cant attack...at all? So far, by the games seen, if we consider vanvanth a bellow average player, and if we look at how Ganzi played, he is really bad. he, in fact, is only here for 2 reasons. First, he can do a 1-1-1 allin build (as shown in the qualifiers) and second, he can play a good tvt, when it so happens there are 50% terrans in the league so far. I do not consider a player that can only play one matchup competently a good player.
You say that, but do you mass colossus?
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Artosis is probably shaking his head right now.
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u can stop 111 by not teching to colo and make immortal and good micro. ganzi 111 is different and less effectice because he got too many banshee and less tanks. other terran 111 dont have clock and only 1 banshee and more tanks and raven
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On August 08 2011 14:44 Deltablazy wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:43 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 08 2011 14:43 Fionn wrote:
Wolf has Korean girlfriends? so THAT's why he's remaining as long term caster =) If Wolf and Mole are long term casters, what's Doa for?
Rotation for breaks and keeping a mix so we don't get bored of the same 2 guys? They have to do code A and split GSTL time
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On August 08 2011 14:44 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:42 SenorChang wrote:On August 08 2011 14:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 08 2011 14:39 SenorChang wrote:On August 08 2011 14:37 babylon wrote:On August 08 2011 14:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 08 2011 14:34 Crashburn wrote:
We're back to derpderp 1 base terran builds? Don't think I'll be watching Code A any more. Better not watch Code S then. Bomber used it vs MC last season. Bomber pulled the all-in because he hated the map, right? That was my impression, at least. Lol that kind of reasoning doesn't make sense. I can justify why player X did it but since player Y does it he's a noob who doesn't know how to play! Bomber's all-in against MC was more mindgames than anything. He said in an interview that he plays against MC a lot on ladder and that MC wouldn't expect that build in the GSL. He also played 3 very standard games against him at dreamhack. I suppose. But at the end of the day these guys are trying to become professional players and they will do what it takes to win - if they don't then they are being foolish. If I had a build that gave me a 90% winrate and chose not to use it in competition because it was cheesy.. well that would be dumb. Do what it takes to win! Eventually it will get figured out and won't be as effective so exploiting it while it is strong is smart Yeah, I think the only terran I haven't seen do that build is MVP. It's kinda like how all terrans (and I mean just like every terran in the world) will do 2 rax and if it wins outright they win and you can't blame the player for using a good build.
They all do it, especially on ladder. Just saw MVP bust Puzzle a week ago on the NA server using 111.
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On August 08 2011 14:42 SenorChang wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:On August 08 2011 14:39 SenorChang wrote:On August 08 2011 14:37 babylon wrote:On August 08 2011 14:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 08 2011 14:34 Crashburn wrote:
We're back to derpderp 1 base terran builds? Don't think I'll be watching Code A any more. Better not watch Code S then. Bomber used it vs MC last season. Bomber pulled the all-in because he hated the map, right? That was my impression, at least. Lol that kind of reasoning doesn't make sense. I can justify why player X did it but since player Y does it he's a noob who doesn't know how to play! Bomber's all-in against MC was more mindgames than anything. He said in an interview that he plays against MC a lot on ladder and that MC wouldn't expect that build in the GSL. He also played 3 very standard games against him at dreamhack. I suppose. But at the end of the day these guys are trying to become professional players and they will do what it takes to win - if they don't then they are being foolish. If I had a build that gave me a 90% winrate and chose not to use it in competition because it was cheesy.. well that would be dumb. Do what it takes to win! Eventually it will get figured out and won't be as effective so exploiting it while it is strong is smart
I don't think anyone blames the players, people just complain about the build it self.
Ganzi gets some flack though because he has weak TvP and relies on this build to get through instead of fixing his TvP and using this as apart of his arsenal
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TheBest is the best. it would be a huge upset if he does win.
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Really hope this goes to game 3, want to see new map xD
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TheBest please go Banshee and show your awesome control 
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I feel sorry for TheBest for being stuck with that smirk on his face. Imagine turning up to someone's funeral or wake with that. Poor guy.
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On August 08 2011 14:44 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:44 Deltablazy wrote:On August 08 2011 14:43 JoeSchmoe wrote:On August 08 2011 14:43 Fionn wrote:
Wolf has Korean girlfriends? so THAT's why he's remaining as long term caster =) If Wolf and Mole are long term casters, what's Doa for? Rotation for breaks and keeping a mix so we don't get bored of the same 2 guys? They have to do code A and split GSTL time
This doesn't make sense, tastosis has been permanent code-S caster since season 1..If they keep switching they will never get the rhythm. Just keep doa/wolf and call it a day.
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On August 08 2011 14:43 ForeverSleep wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:35 Moralez wrote:
Stop the balance whine in a LR thread. Just because you dont like a build doesnt mean the player is bad rofl.
Vanvan could have stopped that easily he just attacked when he really shouldnt. why do you give yourself the freedom to talk when you clearly never faced that push, and, 2, dont even understand the fact that if the bunker finishes, he just cant attack...at all? So far, by the games seen, if we consider vanvanth a bellow average player, and if we look at how Ganzi played, he is really bad. he, in fact, is only here for 2 reasons. First, he can do a 1-1-1 allin build (as shown in the qualifiers) and second, he can play a good tvt, when it so happens there are 50% terrans in the league so far. I do not consider a player that can only play one matchup competently a good player.
Except he has beaten players without 1-1-1... Like, did you just tune in for game 3 and did you not watch him at MLG vs. Kiwi, Huk, and Tyler? He mixes it in like once every BO and that's the sign of a smart player.
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