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On August 08 2011 14:37 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:36 tuho12345 wrote:
nice advice Wolf. Might be interesting, i don't think FE is the counter to this build as other ppl said You have to be able to hold your front choke. Otherwise seige tanks are going to do there thing and make it so you cant leave for a loooooooong time.
Well, thing is you see this build coming right? So just make a bunch of units and couple immortal as much as you can and wait for it to come and fight head on. Either way you lose, so why not just try it
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On August 08 2011 14:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:39 SenorChang wrote:On August 08 2011 14:37 babylon wrote:On August 08 2011 14:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 08 2011 14:34 Crashburn wrote:
We're back to derpderp 1 base terran builds? Don't think I'll be watching Code A any more. Better not watch Code S then. Bomber used it vs MC last season. Bomber pulled the all-in because he hated the map, right? That was my impression, at least. Lol that kind of reasoning doesn't make sense. I can justify why player X did it but since player Y does it he's a noob who doesn't know how to play! Bomber's all-in against MC was more mindgames than anything. He said in an interview that he plays against MC a lot on ladder and that MC wouldn't expect that build in the GSL. He also played 3 very standard games against him at dreamhack.
He also 111'd Hasuobs on Terminus, and it was one of the best executed 111's I've ever seen.
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On August 08 2011 14:40 mprs wrote:
Is anyone else lost as to why they are excited to see TheBest play?
Banshee control ^^
also Artosis said he heard TheBest was playing great macro games
time to find out if this is true
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On August 08 2011 14:40 mprs wrote:
Is anyone else lost as to why they are excited to see TheBest play?
TheBest is like the perfect villain. Also he has an awesome name.
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+ Show Spoiler +On August 08 2011 14:37 Fionn wrote:IT'S TIME
![[image loading]](http://i53.tinypic.com/2ai2592.png)
I was like, "What the hell, is this a picture of Fionn and her friends having a GSL party or somethi--OMG IT'S HIM." Great stuff, just need to get Hot_Bid in there somewhere too :-p
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On August 08 2011 14:40 darkcloud8282 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:38 Ryukku wrote:On August 08 2011 14:36 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Wow, wolf has like the worst advice to give..
"If you scout a gas, don't take a nexus" wtf? listen to what he is saying -_-... he is saying build the nexus and if u see the build coming cancel it ... -_- Wolf needs to check this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379and stop spewing wrong information. Containing yourself in 1 base is the dumbest thing to do
Right, if your gonna cancel. Might as well type out. You're not leaving your base.
I mean you have to hold your naturals choke anyway. Why cancel?
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On August 08 2011 14:40 mprs wrote:
Is anyone else lost as to why they are excited to see TheBest play?
Rumor has it that he's a strong macro player now. By rumor i mean Artosis said someone from FXO said it. and on...and on...;
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On August 08 2011 14:40 Itsmedudeman wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:39 SenorChang wrote:On August 08 2011 14:37 babylon wrote:On August 08 2011 14:35 Shellshock1122 wrote:On August 08 2011 14:34 Crashburn wrote:
We're back to derpderp 1 base terran builds? Don't think I'll be watching Code A any more. Better not watch Code S then. Bomber used it vs MC last season. Bomber pulled the all-in because he hated the map, right? That was my impression, at least. Lol that kind of reasoning doesn't make sense. I can justify why player X did it but since player Y does it he's a noob who doesn't know how to play! Bomber's all-in against MC was more mindgames than anything. He said in an interview that he plays against MC a lot on ladder and that MC wouldn't expect that build in the GSL. He also played 3 very standard games against him at dreamhack.
I suppose.
But at the end of the day these guys are trying to become professional players and they will do what it takes to win - if they don't then they are being foolish.
If I had a build that gave me a 90% winrate and chose not to use it in competition because it was cheesy.. well that would be dumb. Do what it takes to win! Eventually it will get figured out and won't be as effective so exploiting it while it is strong is smart
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On August 08 2011 14:40 snafoo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:39 westley10 wrote:
How to hold that build?
1) Scout it and see it coming.
2) Bring out your probes and melee with the SCVs. When tanks fire all workers died which affects the T more due to not able to repair + less base to reproduce new workers.
3) Do a flank. Spread out all your units before the T ball arrives at your base.
Seriously, China players are amazing in holding this. Get a tutorial from them if you know mandarin. The best Chinese Terran is Loner...... I don't think comparing a chinese 1/1/1 and a Korean 1/1/1 is a good idea.... lol
The best Chinese Terran is not Loner. There are tonnes more out there who are better than him.
And when I said holding this, I mean when they held the push from MKP and OptimusPrime from KR server. Want me to show those replays?
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On August 08 2011 14:40 darkcloud8282 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2011 14:38 Ryukku wrote:On August 08 2011 14:36 darkcloud8282 wrote:
Wow, wolf has like the worst advice to give..
"If you scout a gas, don't take a nexus" wtf? listen to what he is saying -_-... he is saying build the nexus and if u see the build coming cancel it ... -_- Wolf needs to check this thread http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=250379and stop spewing wrong information. Containing yourself in 1 base is the dumbest thing to do
i nvr said wolf wasnt wrong.. im saying your overly simplified infomation of what wolf is saying is wrong
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In case you all miss it, that build just exploits protoss' lack of ground Anti-air. just about every time the protoss player will counter the tanks and marines and do nothing about the banchees. I feel like it is VERY holdable someone needs to just figure out a way to have enough anti-air and be able to hold the tank marines. it's also why we dont really see it in any other matchup.
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As a protoss I hate this build also, but we shouldn't cry about balance until there isn't much room for improvement. I noticed several errors in micro, such as allowing his colossus to waste a few shots on an unfinished bunker, rather than making sure it was hitting the largest clump of marines to the north flank. The day we see a top pro respond quickly and decisively with acceptable micro, and still get beat by it, that may be used as a balance complaint; not this.
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Wolf has Korean girlfriends?
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hoping to see thebest upset yoda!
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ooh Wolf has Korean girlfriends 
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On August 08 2011 14:43 Fionn wrote:
Wolf has Korean girlfriends?
so THAT's why he's remaining as long term caster =)
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Loner is not the best Chinese Terran. That's just a myth probably born from how Tastetosis called him the best Chinese player a while back.
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On August 08 2011 14:39 PartyBiscuit wrote:I'm so excited for TheBest, going to ruin my sleep just to watch him! Also, if you guys want to watch some Protoss (not CombatEX) play against 1-1-1..I "think" the games were: MC holds it in up/down against Ryung on Crossfire. Huk holds it in up/down against MMA on Metalopolis. (yes, SlayerS love doing technical builds in all matches )
Both Ruyng and MMA was so indecisive in those games, like they wait there for 15 mins with siege tanks just stood and watch the Nexus alive, plus their control was so bad. The build wasn't specific as now.
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On August 08 2011 14:35 Moralez wrote:
Stop the balance whine in a LR thread. Just because you dont like a build doesnt mean the player is bad rofl.
Vanvan could have stopped that easily he just attacked when he really shouldnt.
why do you give yourself the freedom to talk when you clearly never faced that push, and, 2, dont even understand the fact that if the bunker finishes, he just cant attack...at all? So far, by the games seen, if we consider vanvanth a bellow average player, and if we look at how Ganzi played, he is really bad. he, in fact, is only here for 2 reasons. First, he can do a 1-1-1 allin build (as shown in the qualifiers) and second, he can play a good tvt, when it so happens there are 50% terrans in the league so far. I do not consider a player that can only play one matchup competently a good player.
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On August 08 2011 14:43 JoeSchmoe wrote:so THAT's why he's remaining as long term caster =)
If Wolf and Mole are long term casters, what's Doa for?
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EPT
