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Try to keep it positive in the thread please. And stop hating on other games! Respect and show everyone how awesome TL is :D
DrVegetables
Profile Joined August 2011
16 Posts
August 06 2011 13:19 GMT
#1561
How do they say there`s not a single empty seat over there if the camera shows us at least one empty seat! Think more people should fly over to Poland =P
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
August 06 2011 13:19 GMT
#1562
who won strelok v nani?
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
August 06 2011 13:19 GMT
#1563
On August 06 2011 22:17 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:15 Hierarch wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:14 Integra wrote:
ret, why you not make roaches?


Roaches are bad ZvT, they just don't do enough dps vs marine/medivac so they lose, only thing they're good vs is hellions and "thors" (when thors are in lowish numbers)

What?
Did you watch the game?

By the first attack Tarson had ONE Medivac. ONE. That wasn't nearly enough to say "medivacs would've destroyed the roaches". Also, in combination with SOME slow banes it would've been even more efficient.
Roaches would have been overall the best decision and he could've attacked before tarson had his 2base push rdy,
but Ret played too passively.

So yea, don't say "roaches are bad zvt", they would've had great use in this game and ret didn't know that.


Name me a couple games where a ZvT was won with roaches, when it wasn't a type of super aggressive cheese opening, Ret held the 1st push no problem, it was the later pushes with 8+ medivacs that he was having trouble with. Tarson just kept streaming units, he only made 2-3 real "pushes".
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
barth
Profile Joined March 2008
Ireland1272 Posts
August 06 2011 13:19 GMT
#1564
(Z)Ret vs. (T)Tarson on Typhoon Peaks. Score is at 1-1.

1:00

Ret spawning bottom right, Tarson, bottom left.

Tarson 12 barracks.

Ret 15 hatch (duh).

"Somebody you are talking to disappears mid sentence, and the universe shoots you because you talked to someone that wasn`t there." - MasterOfChaos
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1565
has naniwa vs strelok happend yet?
Can't elope with my cantaloupe
HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1566
On August 06 2011 22:19 Tsuki.eu wrote:
who won strelok v nani?

not played yet, later
No carpal tunnel no skill
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1567
On August 06 2011 22:19 darlhet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:17 KeksX wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:15 Hierarch wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:14 Integra wrote:
ret, why you not make roaches?


Roaches are bad ZvT, they just don't do enough dps vs marine/medivac so they lose, only thing they're good vs is hellions and "thors" (when thors are in lowish numbers)

What?
Did you watch the game?

By the first attack Tarson had ONE Medivac. ONE. That wasn't nearly enough to say "medivacs would've destroyed the roach DPS". It wasn't even on full energy or something. Also, in combination with SOME slow banes it would've been even more efficient.
Roaches would have been overall the best decision(but he needed them way before tarson attacked) and he could've attacked before tarson had his 2base push rdy,
but Ret played too passively.

So yea, don't say "roaches are bad zvt", they would've had great use in this game and ret didn't know that.

he's doing the slayers build, the follow up of this destroyes roaches used to fend the attack off, slazyers arent a bunch of amateurs they have everything mapped in this build


This is not the SlayerS build. It differs in the opening and the follow up is completely different.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1568
On August 06 2011 22:19 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:17 KeksX wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:15 Hierarch wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:14 Integra wrote:
ret, why you not make roaches?


Roaches are bad ZvT, they just don't do enough dps vs marine/medivac so they lose, only thing they're good vs is hellions and "thors" (when thors are in lowish numbers)

What?
Did you watch the game?

By the first attack Tarson had ONE Medivac. ONE. That wasn't nearly enough to say "medivacs would've destroyed the roaches". Also, in combination with SOME slow banes it would've been even more efficient.
Roaches would have been overall the best decision and he could've attacked before tarson had his 2base push rdy,
but Ret played too passively.

So yea, don't say "roaches are bad zvt", they would've had great use in this game and ret didn't know that.


Name me a couple games where a ZvT was won with roaches, when it wasn't a type of super aggressive cheese opening, Ret held the 1st push no problem, it was the later pushes with 8+ medivacs that he was having trouble with. Tarson just kept streaming units, he only made 2-3 real "pushes".

You should watch Dimaga's games if you want ZvT's with roaches .
It looks weird and weak, but he makes it work.
It appears I have been chosen.
Nivity
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden371 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1569
On August 06 2011 22:20 Fig wrote:
has naniwa vs strelok happend yet?


Nopp.
noggster
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden37 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1570
I hate rotterdam, how do you stand him?
When life gives you lemons, say fuck the lemons and bail.
PeggyHill
Profile Joined February 2011
1494 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1571
On August 06 2011 22:19 Hierarch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:17 KeksX wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:15 Hierarch wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:14 Integra wrote:
ret, why you not make roaches?


Roaches are bad ZvT, they just don't do enough dps vs marine/medivac so they lose, only thing they're good vs is hellions and "thors" (when thors are in lowish numbers)

What?
Did you watch the game?

By the first attack Tarson had ONE Medivac. ONE. That wasn't nearly enough to say "medivacs would've destroyed the roaches". Also, in combination with SOME slow banes it would've been even more efficient.
Roaches would have been overall the best decision and he could've attacked before tarson had his 2base push rdy,
but Ret played too passively.

So yea, don't say "roaches are bad zvt", they would've had great use in this game and ret didn't know that.


Name me a couple games where a ZvT was won with roaches, when it wasn't a type of super aggressive cheese opening, Ret held the 1st push no problem, it was the later pushes with 8+ medivacs that he was having trouble with. Tarson just kept streaming units, he only made 2-3 real "pushes".


Name me a ZvT where the terran didn't build tanks tho :D
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1572
On August 06 2011 22:19 darlhet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:17 KeksX wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:15 Hierarch wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:14 Integra wrote:
ret, why you not make roaches?


Roaches are bad ZvT, they just don't do enough dps vs marine/medivac so they lose, only thing they're good vs is hellions and "thors" (when thors are in lowish numbers)

What?
Did you watch the game?

By the first attack Tarson had ONE Medivac. ONE. That wasn't nearly enough to say "medivacs would've destroyed the roach DPS". It wasn't even on full energy or something. Also, in combination with SOME slow banes it would've been even more efficient.
Roaches would have been overall the best decision(but he needed them way before tarson attacked) and he could've attacked before tarson had his 2base push rdy,
but Ret played too passively.

So yea, don't say "roaches are bad zvt", they would've had great use in this game and ret didn't know that.

he's doing the slayers build, the follow up of this destroyes roaches used to fend the attack off, slazyers arent a bunch of amateurs they have everything mapped in this build

No, he's not. He modified it for a later timing and earlier expansion. I wish people would understand that blue flames + elevation play =/= SlayerS build.
lalala
Leetley
Profile Joined October 2010
1796 Posts
August 06 2011 13:20 GMT
#1573
On August 06 2011 22:16 Nivity wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:16 NotSoSerious wrote:
They need to lower that camera sensitivity or something,it's kinda disturbing to watch....good game by tarson.


Nah rotterdam moves using arrowkeys and mouse to edge. Which is the biggest nono as a caster because its so jerky.


Yeah, he's been doing that bad observing for AGES and he's supposed to be a "pro" caster. It's not even that hard to do the thing properly without giving the viewers headache.
Tsuki.eu
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1049 Posts
August 06 2011 13:21 GMT
#1574
On August 06 2011 22:20 HQuality wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:19 Tsuki.eu wrote:
who won strelok v nani?

not played yet, later


oh thanks, so this is first series?
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
August 06 2011 13:21 GMT
#1575
On August 06 2011 22:17 Jaxx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:12 pallad wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:10 Jaxx wrote:
Is there low quality stream please? This computer/connection can't handle HQ ((


English stream is not HQ , only polish is.

Huh, it's too good for me anyway, would like to have justintv 360p option


hmm maby try pop out video option whitout 10 sites in browser opened , if that not help you i dunno
SC 2 -LingsLover- EU -- Jaedong , NesTea , Nerchio , DRG , Moon , Oz , Tarson , Scarlett -- Dota 2 Pallad EU- NaVi - LGD
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2373 Posts
August 06 2011 13:21 GMT
#1576
I watched some ZvTs on the Korean ladder streams on this maps. Terrans liked one base play here.
Lokj
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands439 Posts
August 06 2011 13:21 GMT
#1577
On August 06 2011 22:18 Gaxton wrote:
Oh god i love those awkward pauses.


i think the production team is a little bit trolling MrBitter and Rotti right there. We go to the intro screen in 5, 4, 3, 2.... 21, 20, 19....

cracks me up as well
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
August 06 2011 13:21 GMT
#1578
On August 06 2011 22:20 PeggyHill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:19 Hierarch wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:17 KeksX wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:15 Hierarch wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:14 Integra wrote:
ret, why you not make roaches?


Roaches are bad ZvT, they just don't do enough dps vs marine/medivac so they lose, only thing they're good vs is hellions and "thors" (when thors are in lowish numbers)

What?
Did you watch the game?

By the first attack Tarson had ONE Medivac. ONE. That wasn't nearly enough to say "medivacs would've destroyed the roaches". Also, in combination with SOME slow banes it would've been even more efficient.
Roaches would have been overall the best decision and he could've attacked before tarson had his 2base push rdy,
but Ret played too passively.

So yea, don't say "roaches are bad zvt", they would've had great use in this game and ret didn't know that.


Name me a couple games where a ZvT was won with roaches, when it wasn't a type of super aggressive cheese opening, Ret held the 1st push no problem, it was the later pushes with 8+ medivacs that he was having trouble with. Tarson just kept streaming units, he only made 2-3 real "pushes".


Name me a ZvT where the terran didn't build tanks tho :D


Well played
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
August 06 2011 13:21 GMT
#1579
Ret better make roach/infestor if tarson goes hellion/marines again.
"Dark Pleasure" | | I survived the Locust war of May 3, 2014
Hammer442
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia749 Posts
August 06 2011 13:21 GMT
#1580
On August 06 2011 22:19 darlhet wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 06 2011 22:17 KeksX wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:15 Hierarch wrote:
On August 06 2011 22:14 Integra wrote:
ret, why you not make roaches?


Roaches are bad ZvT, they just don't do enough dps vs marine/medivac so they lose, only thing they're good vs is hellions and "thors" (when thors are in lowish numbers)

What?
Did you watch the game?

By the first attack Tarson had ONE Medivac. ONE. That wasn't nearly enough to say "medivacs would've destroyed the roach DPS". It wasn't even on full energy or something. Also, in combination with SOME slow banes it would've been even more efficient.
Roaches would have been overall the best decision(but he needed them way before tarson attacked) and he could've attacked before tarson had his 2base push rdy,
but Ret played too passively.

So yea, don't say "roaches are bad zvt", they would've had great use in this game and ret didn't know that.

he's doing the slayers build, the follow up of this destroyes roaches used to fend the attack off, slazyers arent a bunch of amateurs they have everything mapped in this build

You do not need to mass roaches to fend off these hellion marine attacks so the follow up won't even be all that strong, just enough to tank and take out the hellions. Baneling/ling to back them up.
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