• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 08:23
CEST 14:23
KST 21:23
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins Maestros of the Game 238ByuL, and the Limitations of Standard Play3Team Liquid Map Contest #22: Results and Winners7Code S Season 2 (2026): RO4 and Finals Preview12TL.net Map Contest #22 - Voting & Ladder Map Selection7
Community News
BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion5Weekly Cups (June 29-July 5): Solar Doubles0MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon445.0.16 Hotfix (June 30) - Balance + Bug Fixes40
StarCraft 2
General
Most successful SC2 players of Q2 2026 Serral wins Maestros of the Game 2 MC vs IdrA, Boxer vs Nal_rA to be Legacy Matches @ BlizzCon Is the larve respawn broken? 5.0.16 patch for SC2 goes live (8 worker start)
Tourneys
GSL CK #5 Race War RSL Revival: Season 6 - Qualifiers and Main Event HomeStory Cup 29 Vespene Cup #1 — $300+ USD, July 10 Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond)
Strategy
[G] Having the right mentality to improve
Custom Maps
New Map Maker - Looking for Advice - Love or Hate Work In Progress Melee Maps [D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3
External Content
Mutation # 533 Die Together The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 532 Nuclear Family Mutation # 531 Experimental Artillery
Brood War
General
ASL 22 Proposed Map Pool ASL22 General Discussion BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BSL Season 22 Full Overview & Conclusion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Wildcard Qualifier [Megathread] Daily Proleagues IPSL Spring 2026 Top 4! CSLAN 4 is Coming!
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers Creating a full chart of Zerg builds Relatively freeroll strategies
Other Games
General Games
Summer Games Done Quick 2026! General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Looking for a Dota Mentor Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
NeO.D_StephenKing vs This Guy From 1 Million Dance TL Mafia Community Thread TL Mafia Power Rank Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread UK Politics Mega-thread YouTube Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club The HerO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Tennis[sport] Formula 1 Discussion TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
FPS when play League Of Legend on laptop How to clean a TTe Thermaltake keyboard? Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Major Shifts in the Gaming I…
TrAiDoS
An Exploration of th…
waywardstrategy
Gauntlet SC2: A Retrospectiv…
Ctone23
ramps on octagon
StaticNine
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Evil Gacha Games and the…
ffswowsucks
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8820 users

MLG Anaheim Day 2 RED Live Report Thread - Page 269

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 267 268 269 270 271 614 Next
Alright, its truly time to stop whining. Stop caster bashing also. Be warned.
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
July 30 2011 22:16 GMT
#5361
k they mentioned the problem on the live blog, so hopefully it gets fixed.
Terminal
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom2109 Posts
July 30 2011 22:16 GMT
#5362
DAWWWW
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
July 30 2011 22:17 GMT
#5363
11 gates lololol what is going on
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 30 2011 22:17 GMT
#5364
On July 31 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
First map on Shakuras plateau

In the bottom left is Ganzi

While in the bottom right is Select


2:00

Gas for select

Barracks then gas for Ganzi
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
July 30 2011 22:17 GMT
#5365
On July 31 2011 07:15 Pyskee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:13 setzer wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:11 Fleebenworth wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:09 DoomsVille wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:06 karpo wrote:




To everyone who claims that being 30 somehow ruins your motor skills etc.

Both players are freakishly fast and accurate yet both are over 40.

Pointing out a few examples is not how to properly argue something.

Especially when, in BW, it is widely known that players can't legitimately compete anymore after a certain age.


So in order to refute an anecdote you present one of your own, only with less evidence. /facepalm


You can look at TLPD for evidence. There has been only a few progamers who have been able to compete at that age.

That doesn't necessarily mean they get worse, it might just mean they stop practicing as much because they stop caring. Correlation =/= Causation.


It is a combination of getting worse and younger players being better. There is mechanical deterioration for people who have progamers for a long period of time. That is a fact.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 30 2011 22:17 GMT
#5366
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
First map on Shakuras plateau

In the bottom left is Ganzi

While in the bottom right is Select


2:00

Gas for select

Barracks then gas for Ganzi


2:30

Barracks on the way for select
Shagg
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland825 Posts
July 30 2011 22:17 GMT
#5367
On July 31 2011 07:17 Tachion wrote:
11 gates lololol what is going on

wrong thread bro
"You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life"
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 30 2011 22:17 GMT
#5368
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
First map on Shakuras plateau

In the bottom left is Ganzi

While in the bottom right is Select


2:00

Gas for select

Barracks then gas for Ganzi


2:30

Barracks on the way for select


3:00

Orbital half way done for ganzi
StarStruck
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
25339 Posts
July 30 2011 22:17 GMT
#5369
Select got to pick up his game X-X
iaretehnoob
Profile Joined June 2004
Sweden741 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-30 22:18:28
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5370
edit: wrong thread.
Zeke50100
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States2220 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5371
On July 31 2011 07:13 godemperor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:11 Fleebenworth wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:09 DoomsVille wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:06 karpo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fv-KmxJSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qG9PZNJI_k

To everyone who claims that being 30 somehow ruins your motor skills etc.

Both players are freakishly fast and accurate yet both are over 40.

Pointing out a few examples is not how to properly argue something.

Especially when, in BW, it is widely known that players can't legitimately compete anymore after a certain age.


So in order to refute an anecdote you present one of your own, only with less evidence. /facepalm

not really, oldest MSL/OSL winner was 22 i think.


That ignores the fact that the growth of any body, be it human, dog, bird, lasagna, water, or fast food chains, is not something to which we can apply an absolute standard.

Some people may as well be Benjamin Button, whereas others will follow more common paths. That's still not to say that you cannot say it's uncommon for players to lose motor skills at the age of 20-whatever, but you cannot therefore say it applies to everybody.

Also, I believe it's not so much about age as it is the normalization of an outlier in terms of player success
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5372
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
First map on Shakuras plateau

In the bottom left is Ganzi

While in the bottom right is Select


2:00

Gas for select

Barracks then gas for Ganzi


2:30

Barracks on the way for select


3:00

Orbital half way done for ganzi


3:20

Factory and orbital for select
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5373
11 gates on 2bases :/
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
awu25
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2003 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5374
On July 31 2011 07:16 Troublesome wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:15 Bashion wrote:
None of the streams are working for me

Someone help plz



Yeah can anyone at the event ask if tech guys are aware?

It's working for a ton of people
EnSky
Profile Joined June 2011
Philippines1003 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5375
Just woke up. It's great that BoxeR has been very solid so far.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5376
On July 31 2011 07:18 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
First map on Shakuras plateau

In the bottom left is Ganzi

While in the bottom right is Select


2:00

Gas for select

Barracks then gas for Ganzi


2:30

Barracks on the way for select


3:00

Orbital half way done for ganzi


3:20

Factory and orbital for select


3:40

Reaper on the way for Ganzi
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5377
On July 31 2011 07:15 Devolved wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:05 syllogism wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:05 oogieogie wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:02 syllogism wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:00 oogieogie wrote:
On July 31 2011 06:57 kunstderfugue wrote:
On July 31 2011 06:54 happyness wrote:

On July 31 2011 06:50 kunstderfugue wrote:
My problem with InControl's manner: it seems forced. If he feels frustrated He doesn't need to be that mannered.


ROFL oh my.... what the hell is wrong with you?


my point of view is different to yours

I agree with your viewpoint, and would rather see those types of manners in games but all the time towards everyone just seems very forced. I would rather see more sincere manners then forced manner from Incontrol.

He has been doing this in tournaments forever. There is nothing forced about. You just don't understand incontrol, which is very common around here and reddit

That is why I say it is forced when he does it all the time. Also the funny thing you mentioned reddit because there is a post about him with the incontrol/sundance issue.

So wait is it also forced when Sheth does it

e: and I'm stunned people are trying to claim saying "you are amazing" to BOXER could possibly be forced

Well Sheth doesn't shit on people and then try to make up for it with fake gm at the end of broadcasted tourney games.

This basicly..Does Sheth have a history of being overly nice then just shit on people? No. Also I said earlier that the manner from playing boxer is probably not forced because after all it is boxer.
Devolved
Profile Joined April 2008
United States2753 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5378
On July 31 2011 07:14 Maliris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:09 Coutcha wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:08 Maliris wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:05 The Final Boss wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:02 Maliris wrote:
On July 31 2011 06:59 Beyonder wrote:
On July 31 2011 06:59 Pyskee wrote:
On July 31 2011 06:57 Badfatpanda wrote:
On July 31 2011 06:55 Yaotzin wrote:
On July 31 2011 06:52 paradox_ wrote:
everyone hating on boxer should realize, hes in his 30s

him playing is basically the equivalent if bill russell was still playing in the nba and beating younger players (not to mention while dealing with a shoulder injury)

The age thing is a load of bullshit, you don't really become worse at video games when you age. You just get responsibilities, lose motivation etc and practice less.

The injury is a legitimate mitigating factor for him though, obviously.


You don't get worse at video games but your concentration, reaction time, and the muscle fibers to preform some actions wear down.

It's not bullshit.

Yeah, all that happens when you turn like 80. 30 years old is fucking young, dude.

Actually, some parts of your cognitive ability start declining at the age of 25

Videogames use a very small amount of mental ability, regardless of how difficult it may seem

the difference is negligible.

Do you mean physical ability? High level StarCraft is all about mind games and thinking. I'm fairly certain that it requires you to be intelligent and constantly alert.

Also MLG's system is so stupid, can't believe White-Ra missed his match, I know that things like that have angered a lot of pros like ThorZaIN and MorroW.

nope, I mean mental activity. Being a progamer is about constant practice and most of it is just reacting to situations you have already seen.

the brain is very inactive when playing videogames

Thiis last commentis sooooo stupid lol

lol? there is empirical evidence of the brain being inactive during videogames

please don't talk if you're clueless

I'm pretty sure that study was done during a CoD playtest.
$♥$
Pyskee
Profile Joined April 2011
United States620 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5379
On July 31 2011 07:17 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 31 2011 07:15 Pyskee wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:13 setzer wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:11 Fleebenworth wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:09 DoomsVille wrote:
On July 31 2011 07:06 karpo wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fv-KmxJSQ

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0qG9PZNJI_k

To everyone who claims that being 30 somehow ruins your motor skills etc.

Both players are freakishly fast and accurate yet both are over 40.

Pointing out a few examples is not how to properly argue something.

Especially when, in BW, it is widely known that players can't legitimately compete anymore after a certain age.


So in order to refute an anecdote you present one of your own, only with less evidence. /facepalm


You can look at TLPD for evidence. There has been only a few progamers who have been able to compete at that age.

That doesn't necessarily mean they get worse, it might just mean they stop practicing as much because they stop caring. Correlation =/= Causation.


It is a combination of getting worse and younger players being better. There is mechanical deterioration for people who have progamers for a long period of time. That is a fact.

*looks at Boxer*

hmmmmm
"If you really don't give a shit what brand you chew, chew Stride." - Liquid'Tyler. Gives shoutouts like a boss.
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
July 30 2011 22:18 GMT
#5380
lol cruncher had no follow-up. food count shows it
Prev 1 267 268 269 270 271 614 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Sparkling Tuna Cup
10:00
Weekly #137
herO vs PercivalLIVE!
TBD vs ByuN
CranKy Ducklings288
CranKy Ducklings SOOP21
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 817
Rex 164
MindelVK 15
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 45970
Calm 7528
Shuttle 969
Hyuk 887
Jaedong 807
Soma 435
EffOrt 377
Mini 336
firebathero 327
BeSt 302
[ Show more ]
Light 230
Last 212
Stork 210
actioN 176
ZerO 121
Soulkey 117
Mong 109
ggaemo 75
hero 67
ToSsGirL 54
Sharp 44
sorry 35
soO 35
scan(afreeca) 31
Aegong 30
Free 26
HiyA 24
Sea.KH 23
Killer 21
ajuk12(nOOB) 13
Sacsri 12
Sexy 12
Hm[arnc] 11
JulyZerg 9
Noble 9
zelot 8
Purpose 8
Dota 2
Gorgc5328
Dendi761
Counter-Strike
x6flipin339
Sick181
kRYSTAL_57
Other Games
FrodaN4712
B2W.Neo503
DeMusliM403
KnowMe349
Happy292
Pyrionflax264
crisheroes251
Livibee122
ZerO(Twitch)9
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 20
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 12 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 29
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos1752
Upcoming Events
IPSL
3h 37m
Bonyth vs Hawk
OSC
11h 37m
GSL
22h 37m
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 11h
WardiTV Weekly
1d 22h
The PondCast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
CrankTV Team League
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
[ Show More ]
CrankTV Team League
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Clem vs Lambo
Scarlett vs Cure
CranKy Ducklings
5 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Classic vs Trap
herO vs SHIN
Sparkling Tuna Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 22: Wild Card Qualifier
HSC XXIX
Eternal Conflict S2 E1

Ongoing

IPSL Spring 2026
Acropolis #4
YSL S3
CSL 2026 Summer (S21)
RSL Revival: Season 6
CranK Gathers Season 4: BW vs SC2 Team League
SCTL 2026 Spring
Eternal Conflict S2 E2
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026

Upcoming

Escore Tournament S3: W3
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 1
Escore Tournament S3: W4
ASL S22 SEASON OPEN Day 2
Escore Tournament S3: W5
CSLAN 4
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HSC XXX
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
Light Tournament 2026
Eternal Conflict S2 Finale
Eternal Conflict S2 E3
Logitech G Connect 2026
StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #5
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.