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Troopi
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark383 Posts
June 25 2011 18:51 GMT
#5941
Just watch the spy cam next to the main stream. The air is burning in this room ;D
Ludwigvan
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany2371 Posts
June 25 2011 18:51 GMT
#5942
It has been 5 years since someone beat MC in PvP on Metalopolis in close air. Also foreigner. This is Sparta!
NeWeNiyaLord
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Norway2474 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 18:52:40
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5943
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 26 2011 03:51 VenerableSpace wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 03:50 Nivyan wrote:
On June 26 2011 03:41 Shuffleus wrote:
On June 26 2011 03:30 zul wrote:
zerg needs fungal to counter this style, but it takes soo long


This game is the icing on the cake to a myriad of games i've been experiencing in tournaments/ladder. I really have no idea how to approach this problem if anyone has any advice that would be swelll.

You can't get fungal while making enough units to stop the blink stalkers. Perhaps if Idra knew huk would push when he did he could have had time to reach fungal but as it was I just don't see what you do against that.

Huk goes nexus first into a probe cutting 6gate blink stalker allin. The nature of blink stalker allins is that you can't sustain a defence for it over a long period of time, the protoss wears you down regardless of an economical advantage (as you saw in that game). As such you have to crush the first attack all at once and therefore need to cut workers and begin unit production asap.

In this game Idra managed to sneak a scout in and saw the gateway timing and the twilight, so he knew that huk was cutting probes to allin. Due to the super fortunate timing of idra's ling scout he managed to be able to cut drones at essentially the same level that huk cut probes which is roughly ideal for blink stalker defense ZvP. As Huk knew his strat was given away, he threw down a nexus and resumed probe production while finishing off his tech, denying scouting and faking pressure with his first group of blink stalkers. After a short period of time Idra became aware of the third and redroned, making up the 3 base saturation before huk came back oncreep with his blink stalkers.

From here it's just a tale of super cost efficiency, Idra was ahead economically (up over 10 workers mining at essentially optimal saturation) was up a significant amount of supply (a given with a roach defense i guess) and his composition was the best considering the previous situation. he didn't have time to get a significant amount of infestors and Hydras are a non option after that earlygame. Huk's blink micro was very far from perfect but he stilll ran idra over with ease. This was not an engagement that was remotely close. If you gave idra 10 more roaches Huk would just wear him down longer.

TL: DR ; What DO YOU DO in Idra's situation?! I don't see how those blink stalkers are stoppable. Any kind of allin answer or completely commit and flank gets nullified by huk's sentry count and leaves you kind of helpless.


Someone answer this man!

This isnt a balance thread, its LR. take it elsewhere.
Agreed! enough now
This is where we begin. Show your true self, Battosai.
morbvs
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany358 Posts
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5944
On June 26 2011 03:50 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
Why does he say Naniwer?? I can't wrap my mind around that :D


happens when a german whose english is not that perfect tries hard to turn his head and tongue into "english" mode
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
aurum510
Profile Joined July 2010
United States229 Posts
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5945
On June 26 2011 03:49 Harrad wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 03:48 Andamanen wrote:
Ninawerr!

being german myself I really don't understand why he says 'er" instead of 'a', there's no logical reason to pronounce it that way :S


Has that caster lived in Britain at any time? They pronounce anything that ends in 'a' with 'er'. Like "idea" is pronounced "eye-deer".
Mordiford
Profile Joined April 2011
4448 Posts
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5946
This is easily my favorite tournament...

Really good stuff.

I'm a fan of both MC and Naniwa, but in this case, I'm gonna root for Naniwa.
_Nano_
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany51 Posts
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5947
besty 4-gate inc from mc i guess :D
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5948
On June 26 2011 03:46 Stratos_speAr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 26 2011 03:42 Bash wrote:
It's getting preeeetty annoying that no matter what unit composition zerg uses, the people in this thread will pick the one unit they didn't use and claim that would've been the magic bullet... How about just be quiet when you have no idea what's going on, the game isn't all about fucking unit composition.


All of the crying about Blink has been countered with a simple answer.

Better Infestor timing.

Pretty simple, really. Fungal's about as good of a hard counter as you can get to Blink.

I see an early lair, I cancel the third and blink, kill you with an a-move while watching tv, nice try though.
Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5949
mc didnt scout for cheese, how big balls do you need for that?
Sword of Omens, give me sight beyond sight.
garbanzo
Profile Joined October 2009
United States4046 Posts
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5950
Wow, people are hardly moving in the spycams. I thought my stream was frozen until I saw NaNiwa's mouse movement.
Even during difficult times, when I sat down to play the game, there were times where it felt like god has descended down and played [for me].
rpgalon
Profile Joined April 2011
Brazil1069 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-25 18:53:02
June 25 2011 18:52 GMT
#5951
MC closed the comics page!!
badog
Gautz
Profile Joined May 2010
192 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5952
mc just helped nani to mine from the perfect minerals by blocking the far away mineral : )
Geordie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom653 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5953
I think its quite funny how they make a big issue because a player does not build a pylon at a specific time. PVP is wierd like that.
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5954
Naniwa played Warcraft 3? Which race?
Copenap
Profile Joined October 2010
723 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5955
How was Huk - Idra?
Krallman
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden713 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5956
naniwer and now korear, cant germans say anything with an -a ending?
Im better than Stefan
Grape
Profile Joined April 2010
145 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5957
Naniwar and MC from Korear! Love the german accent.
blae000
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1640 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5958
Does anyone have link to spycam? Can find it on TL->
Liquid
Forward77
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5959
Naniwa only with 2 probes on gas
Geordie
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United Kingdom653 Posts
June 25 2011 18:53 GMT
#5960
oh shi- 4 gate versus 4 gate!!!
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