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On June 20 2011 06:21 jj33 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 06:20 Chicane wrote:On June 20 2011 06:19 epik16 wrote:
Yea Moon is a legend in esports people have to remember this is not his game. He is a WC3 guy and is working his ass off playing another game now and performing very well. On a side note, why do people like him? His interviews have very boring responses, and he seems to show little interest in the foreign scene other than to get money from it (compare him with MC). Is it just because he has results in another game? Is that it? People just follow wins like robots, or is some personality actually a factor? They like him because he's the greatest wc3 player of all time and he always shows up to play and does his best to show some good games. he geniunely seems like a nice guy, he doesn't have to be super charismatic to be likeable.
Fair enough, though I don't get the "nice guy" vibe from him. I also don't get the impression that he is an asshole, but from all his interviews he just seems to not even care about the foreign scene.
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On June 20 2011 06:18 Keldaur wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 06:11 thefreed wrote:On June 20 2011 06:04 Stanlot wrote:On June 20 2011 06:03 ZeaL. wrote:
Why are people so nationalistic? If koreans win everything because they're better, whine about how your nation's players can't compete. It's been that way with sports for as long as sporting events existed. It's only been that way for Americans lol. Not many other countries feel so high and mighty that they want to be dominating at all sports. It's the same for all countries. And what sport is that ? Golf ? USA sucks on most sports lol.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table
The US dominates, or is highly competitive in, pretty-much every sport internationally outside of Soccer. A huge part of that is because the USA is big and highly developed compared to the other high population countries, so we can afford to be say a swimmer, though, not that we are intrinsically athletic.
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So it looks like the Koreans are utterly dominating every foreigner once again. I feel like our scene is already starting to die, at least when it comes to significant tournaments.
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On June 20 2011 06:21 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 06:20 ChickenLips wrote:On June 20 2011 06:19 Heavenly wrote:
Imagine if MKP and Nada had come. t.t they would've ripped to shreds every non-Korean in their way. Not necessarily. Nada didn't make it out of NASL qualifiers. I know it was online so it was a factor, but it's still a good point.
That's the only factor you need for a result to not be valid.
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Why MKP and Nada? Why not Polt?
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On June 20 2011 06:15 Scratchasaurus wrote:
Sorry if this has been asked, but are there any vods and/or reccomended games for day1 or 2?
Day9 has some of the vods uploaded on his archives @ "day9tv.blip.tv".
He will be uploading the vods for day 2 later.
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On June 20 2011 06:16 epik16 wrote:
USA doesn't even dominate at sports other nations actually play.
Even with their own sports, they've been falling behind as well. World football, we're horrible we have holden and howard who are EPL players but the rest are meh. American football, in international tournaments i think spain and japan beat us.
Basketball we are still fairly competitive but that is one of the least skill based sports out there, just be really tall.
Baseball we are bad now and korea and japan are both solid. Hockey canada won.
So yea americans better learn to lose gracefully quick because it likely won't get any better since the reason we were so far ahead in the first place was almost purely due to an economical advantage where other countries were busy trying to feed themselves and live decently rather than chasing sporting opportunities. Tables have turned there as well.
Not really. If America actually put out their best players in events like the World Baseball Classic, World Championship for Basketball, etc, they would win. USA has the best baseball players, basketball players, and is right behind Canada in hockey.
The reason Koreans dominate is because of the infrastructure. Kids grow up in Korea idolizing SC players on television. You can ask a twelve-year-old kid in Korea who Boxer is, and he'll tell you. If you ask a random twelve-year-old who Idra is, they'll probably think you're speaking a different language.
America and Europe will get better in a few years and close the game with the amount of money getting poured into the foreign scene and team houses getting built, but I think Korea will be ahead for the forseeable future.
No doubt players like Thorzain, Naniwa and Sen can take Bo3's off top players like Bomber or MC, but the player depth in Korea is just amazing. A guy like Moon, who probably wouldn't even be considered a Top 50 Korean any more, has only lost once in the entire tournament.
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so koreans are dominating. idra is still mindfked by MC. Happy is just a ladder hero. Jinro is in a slump. Tyler is nowhere to be seen. Makes me sad. Well at least DreamHack quality is off the hook!
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On June 20 2011 06:21 epik16 wrote:Ugh, still upset about those guys bailing. Even though I think MMA, MVP, Losira, DRG, Polt, and Nestea might be even better.
They could rotate the Koreans they send at each foreigner tournament, that way the people who "don't want to see the same guys winning all tournaments" will be satisfied.
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I have seen blink stalkers counter roaches. I havent seen infestors counter blink stalkers.
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On June 20 2011 06:20 Qaatar wrote:Doesn't look like MC is going to advance. Bomber's TvP is too sick, and he looks to be in great form right now. Poor MC, running into the greatest XvP players at both recent international tournaments (Losira's ZvP, and now Bomber's TvP). 
Don't be so sure, MC is easily stomping the best foreigners and he has beaten bomber in the finals of a tourney before, as well as the team league. Surely it will be a challenge, but he has a good chance. Although like he said "REPAIR IMBA IMBA REPAIR!!!" :p
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On June 20 2011 06:21 fartdra wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 06:13 RevLesMis wrote:
after this shit i have to completely agree with CatZ. we need to get the koreans out of foreign tournaments. no racism just saying this is stupid if i wanted to see koreans playing every effing tournament i would watch the GSL, yea how are those non-korean tournaments doing again? "EG Master's Cup" with their average of 4k viewers a night, maybe 5k on a good night if Idra is playing. Yea that 5k viewer count will really WOW the sponsors and generate tons of ad revenue and make esports grow, great logic there
korean haters have no logic, just hate in their hearts.
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On June 20 2011 06:21 flowSthead wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 06:20 ChickenLips wrote:On June 20 2011 06:19 Heavenly wrote:
Imagine if MKP and Nada had come. t.t they would've ripped to shreds every non-Korean in their way. Not necessarily. Nada didn't make it out of NASL qualifiers. I know it was online so it was a factor, but it's still a good point.
Online was a huge factor, his stutterstep looked horrible in the NASL playoffs, not at all what it looks like on the GSL
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"koreans are 48-4 in series play against foreigners b/w dreamhack + mlg. 3 of those losses are moon."
Slasher just retweeted this. D:
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On June 20 2011 06:19 noezke wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 06:19 Bashion wrote:
How did Jinro do in the tourney?
I didnt watch any of his matches Not well at all, 1-4 I think.
Ouch
ty for the info
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On June 20 2011 06:22 InvalidID wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 06:18 Keldaur wrote:On June 20 2011 06:11 thefreed wrote:On June 20 2011 06:04 Stanlot wrote:On June 20 2011 06:03 ZeaL. wrote:
Why are people so nationalistic? If koreans win everything because they're better, whine about how your nation's players can't compete. It's been that way with sports for as long as sporting events existed. It's only been that way for Americans lol. Not many other countries feel so high and mighty that they want to be dominating at all sports. It's the same for all countries. And what sport is that ? Golf ? USA sucks on most sports lol. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_tableThe US dominates, or is highly competitive in, pretty-much every sport internationally outside of Soccer. A huge part of that is because the USA is big and highly developed compared to the other high population countries, so we can afford to be say a swimmer, though, not that we are intrinsically athletic.
Norway seems to kick our ass in Winter sports.
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Thx, been waiting to see this game.
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On June 20 2011 06:17 JKira wrote:Show nested quote +On June 20 2011 06:14 Steamroller wrote:On June 20 2011 06:10 fartdra wrote:On June 20 2011 06:09 Denzil wrote:On June 20 2011 06:05 Kevan wrote:On June 20 2011 06:01 Denzil wrote:On June 20 2011 05:52 epik16 wrote:
Let's be honest, Idra is not on MC's level so we shouldn't use their games for balance insight.
Losira absolutely raped MC. Zergs like Nestea, July would be better and the new generation of zergs like DRG and Line would probably give him headaches as well. Then I'm very worried because Idra has dominated the foreign scene pretty much. Destroyed IPL, destroyed all of his competition in MLG (barring Thorzain). The foreign scene doesn't have much hope to beat Korea if Idra isn't on MC's level. Thorzain beat him, Sase beat him and I'm pretty sure players like Naniwa, Nerchio, White Ra, Dimaga etc would be able to beat Idra. Naniwa and Thorzain are also going to Korea to improve and play in code A. Give them the time and the opportunity and they will be able to compete with anyone. Idra was jetlagged day 1. Said so in interviews, on twitter etc. so when idra jetlagged that is legit excuse, but when MC was jetlagged at MLG that wasn't, i see idra fanboy logic now thx for clarifying So when MC jetlagged it weas legit excuse? But when Idra jetlagged it wasn't? I see MC fanboy logic there. It doesn't really work that way cause MC fanboys didn't call bullshit on IdrA being jetlagged, they called bullshit on IdrA fanboys, whereas IdrA fanboys called bullshit on MC being jetlagged, then supported the IdrA being jetlagged thing. IMO the jetlag excuse is perfectly valid. If people can't see how lack of sleep affect play it's quite stupid. I can't even WATCH matches properly when I'm tired, let alone play the game.
I think only reason they are pointing out Idras jetlag is because of Mc fans pointed it out first at MLG.
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You know for all the QQ about how much better Koreans are, we're likely only going to have 1 Korean in the semifinals. July is bad at ZvZ and will probably lose to Sen. Moon has already lost to Naniwa before and will do so again. It's not unreasonable to expect the only Korean who will be in the top 4 is the winner of MC/Bomber.
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