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We will be moderating harshly in this thread. Think twice before you post. Things we are watching for: image macros, balance whining, "eagles", player bashing etc. We encourage civil and reasoned critique of our moderation - please post it in the website feedback forum.

Please don't complain about MLG stream quality or MLG itself. They work very hard to provide you with an enjoyable service.

Enough with the racism discussions, this is a LR Thread. Cut it out.
-- updated 7:55 KST
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21561
tvp finals, so boring
Chun-li since ST
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21562
On June 06 2011 07:30 Shankapotamus wrote:
MMA just never lets zergs get that 4th

And when he does let them get a 4th they just gg :O
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
sereniity
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Sweden1159 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21563
Why is MMA not pushing more? He could be sieged up at Losiras natural right now....
"I am Day9, Holy shit!"
j4vz
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada976 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21564
finally we have a good match ;D
someone_elses_lies@live.fr
Chessz
Profile Joined August 2010
United States644 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21565
On June 06 2011 07:21 ManaO wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:17 fghtuetg wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:16 Wargizmo wrote:

From Sundance:

MLG viewer "heat map"
http://lockerz.com/s/108086220

Some guy in pakistan is watching lol...


and absolutly no one in italy? oO


I'm watching and I'm in italy! :D



viewing from Spain ATM!
Serpico
Profile Joined May 2010
4285 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21566
On June 06 2011 07:24 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:23 BrahCJ wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:13 Fionn wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:11 BrahCJ wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:08 Fionn wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:07 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:01 holy_war wrote:
On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans.


I wouldn't necessarily say that it's the direct results of having only Koreans left. There was so much backstory behind IdrA/MC that it grasped everyone's attention. Losira and MMA just doesn't have that animosity between them, or else it would be a lot different.

But having no foreigners remaining definitely won't help the cause.


Even before the Idra match, during the Naniwa of earlier matches. This thread was moving much much faster.

I know for me personally the level of interest just dropped off, it honestly makes me no difference at all who wins now, because these players mean nothing to me.


THEN DON'T WATCH.



I think you're missing the part of capitalism where numbers of audience members equates to the amount of bankroll you have.
For that part, this guy SHOULD share his opinion, as people need to know it.
What sort of progress would ANY sport/event/group/workplace/team etc have if the answer was always
"DON'T LIKE IT? WELL SHUSH!"


What kind of progress will happen in the West if you just disallow Koreans? You know how weak that would make the rest of the world seem?

THERE WERE FIVE KOREANS IN THIS TOURNAMENT. JUST FIVE. It isn't like GSL sent out all 32 Code S players to overrun the tournament. The five Koreans came and they played their best. MC, a Korean, has been the person who has interacted with the crowd the most out of any players.




5 Koreans had their tickets paid for, could bring interpreters, had accomodation paid for, got given seats into the top 16 (with exception of July) that other westerners had travelled around the country to get points for, and they're required to be here for 3 days for $5k first, $3k second, and $2k third. As opposed to code A, which is a month long tourney, for $1500 for first place. Read below for my reasoning...... Even if I did pick up the support of an extreamist, I feel my point is still very solid.

On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.


Alright. Let's not allow Koreans into the MLG. Let's give the money to the players who truly aren't the best.

That happens all the time really.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21567
MMA SO GOOD
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
ManaO
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy185 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21568
MMA is such a baller
No fear, Dr. Smith is here
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21569
ugh I hate losiras TvZ style...
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
Scila
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1849 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21570
Losira just giving these 2 games away. Not really MMA winning but Losira playing poorly.
All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us.
kvn4444
Profile Joined September 2010
1510 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21571
mma so good with drops in tvz's. can never count him out because of them.
thefreed
Profile Joined January 2011
United States222 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21572
On June 06 2011 07:27 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:21 Fionn wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:19 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:07 udgnim wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:06 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:01 zerious wrote:
On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans.


That's why the most popular tournament in SC2 is the GSL?



Most popular with Koreans, before SC2 and the western tournaments Starcraft was a tiny niche in the West. Just look at TL, it went from a tiny community where everyone knew everyone else to a destination on the internet. The west got into SC2 because of western players and tournaments.


the West got into SC2 because it's the sequel to SC1


The western scene exploded because western players finally had a chance in competition. When that changes the scene will die.


The foreign scene will never get better if they don't get to play the best.

So you would rather the foreign skill level stay the same than rise higher above by playing Koreans


Meh, it could happen. I could see an argument both ways, actually. Sports (not just eSports) that a country is not good at slowly fades out of popularity in that country, which means less tournaments, which means less skill and talent. It's like a vicious cycle. People like their own country's players. BW never went beyond a niche scene in the West with a viewership in the mere thousands. WC 3, however, had a huge following in Europe because of stars like Grubby.

Which path will SC 2 take? I think it remains to be seen. I don't think we should judge based on one MLG though.

but you have to agree that all these sports nationalistic thing increases clashing between nations and increases discrimination and racism.

Racism breeds ignorance...
My country is the world, My religion is to do good. -T.P The fool doth thinks his a wise man, but the wise man knows he is a fool. -W.S
CubEdIn
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Romania5359 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21573
oh god, one pool goes down and Losira is out of army for 1 minute. Come on man, don't let this slip away!
Im not a n00b, I just play like one.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
June 05 2011 22:31 GMT
#21574
MMA is like comeback king
youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 05 2011 22:32 GMT
#21575
On June 06 2011 07:31 Domination wrote:
There's the horrible losira zvt i remember.

i feel so bad for him T_T

he has such good macro but everything about his engagements = bad
lalala
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
June 05 2011 22:32 GMT
#21576
MMA COME ON
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
June 05 2011 22:32 GMT
#21577
On June 06 2011 07:31 Wipples wrote:
This thread has devolved too much into "Korean scene is op QQ". This is a thread about the MLG tournament, not about which scene is better. If you want to cry about that, find one of the hundred other threads. This thread is for the games and the fantastic show mlg is putting on.

It's just one guy. Don't let it get it you.
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
June 05 2011 22:32 GMT
#21578
rofl bling nest again

mma so crazy
FenneK
Profile Joined November 2010
France1231 Posts
June 05 2011 22:32 GMT
#21579
mma is the tech structure sniper
good luck have batman
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
June 05 2011 22:32 GMT
#21580
On June 06 2011 07:31 Artok wrote:
tvp finals, so boring


If Losira beats MC, we get a rematch.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
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