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Kammalleri
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada613 Posts
June 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#21361
Tanks attacking OC incoming!!
YodaGoneMad
Profile Joined April 2011
United States58 Posts
June 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#21362
On June 06 2011 07:07 udgnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:06 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:01 zerious wrote:
On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans.


That's why the most popular tournament in SC2 is the GSL?



Most popular with Koreans, before SC2 and the western tournaments Starcraft was a tiny niche in the West. Just look at TL, it went from a tiny community where everyone knew everyone else to a destination on the internet. The west got into SC2 because of western players and tournaments.


the West got into SC2 because it's the sequel to SC1


The western scene exploded because western players finally had a chance in competition. When that changes the scene will die.
That's how I roll!
ribboo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1842 Posts
June 05 2011 22:19 GMT
#21363
On June 06 2011 07:18 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:16 niteblaze wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:13 War Horse wrote:
MMA is guaranteed the Code S spot right, since even if he loses it'd trickle down to him? Or is in the MLG rules that it has to go to a foreigner? That would be lame =\


No Code S for anyone in this MLG. We've repeated this so many times.

Top 3 NON-KOREANS will get a Code A spot.

No.
TOP 3 WILL GOT A CODE A SPOT, UNLESS THEY'RE ALREADY IN CODE A (or S)
This has nothing to do with nationality.

koreans dont get code a spot
why the fuck do people keep coming with false info
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21364
Should be interesting, MMA going for the risky econ style!
Marineking-Polt-Maru-Fantasy-Solar-Xenocider-Suppy fighting!
Savern101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom859 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21365
This is what MMA did against Idra. Its like Griffith's 4OC build. kinda.
EG.DeMusliM/d.BlinG/UK Fighting!
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21366
On June 06 2011 07:18 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:16 Coolwhip wrote:
Only Koreans left is kind of a downer. Not sure if it's worth staying up for.

Come on, it was to be expected.


It's like tabletennis, basketball, badminton or long distance running; some nations/cultures dominate, next year the Dutch IOC will nationalize some Koreans to play at the WCG for us :p
Broodwar AI :) http://sscaitournament.com http://www.starcraftai.com/wiki/Main_Page
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21367
On June 06 2011 07:18 hmmm... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:14 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:04 mordk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:00 Genome852 wrote:
MMA did "wall in" with the CC at first. But he made the mistake of not realizing that the CC has a rounded model, even if the grid is a square... so lings just ran by the sides of the CC.

On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans.

What? Are you implying games aren't worth watching just because of the players' nationality? They aren't "random Koreans" either. So stupid....


Don't reply to these comments.. people watch games for different reasons. I do because I love starcraft, which means I'll be happy to watch koreans at the top if they are truly the best. Other people watch for the hype, and they feel more excited when their homies play. I understand the feelings of many people, although I feel that shouldn't make them miss quality starcraft games.



There is no shortage of quality games, what makes MLG and other tournaments special to me is cheering for personalities I know. Just having random amazing players, that don't speak the language, that are not involved in the western scene (don't stream, don't go on shows, don't contribute) I just don't care about their results.

A korean wins, which one? I certainly don't care, in fact, koreans will take home all the big money, because they are top 3.


bitter foreigner much?

you're a fucking racist.



he absolutely is.

youngminii
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Australia7514 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21368
woooooooooah

that was intense
lalala
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21369
On June 06 2011 07:18 hmmm... wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:14 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:04 mordk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:00 Genome852 wrote:
MMA did "wall in" with the CC at first. But he made the mistake of not realizing that the CC has a rounded model, even if the grid is a square... so lings just ran by the sides of the CC.

On June 06 2011 06:59 YodaGoneMad wrote:
Man, this thread is slowing down fast since all the westerners are eliminated. Guess I wasn't the only one that doesn't care about the results of a bunch of random koreans.

What? Are you implying games aren't worth watching just because of the players' nationality? They aren't "random Koreans" either. So stupid....


Don't reply to these comments.. people watch games for different reasons. I do because I love starcraft, which means I'll be happy to watch koreans at the top if they are truly the best. Other people watch for the hype, and they feel more excited when their homies play. I understand the feelings of many people, although I feel that shouldn't make them miss quality starcraft games.



There is no shortage of quality games, what makes MLG and other tournaments special to me is cheering for personalities I know. Just having random amazing players, that don't speak the language, that are not involved in the western scene (don't stream, don't go on shows, don't contribute) I just don't care about their results.

A korean wins, which one? I certainly don't care, in fact, koreans will take home all the big money, because they are top 3.


bitter foreigner much?

you're a fucking racist.


Wtf, he wasn't racist...
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21370
On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.

Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?

Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.

Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?


Besides, a big part of the reason people that don't follow the GSL don't like watching "GSL games" is, surprise surprise, because they don't watch the GSL, and therefore don't know their players. If they start coming to western events, it would be easier to follow their players and root for them, unless you feel you can only root for people from your country, which doesn' t seem to be true, seeing how so many people like some europeans.
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21371
wow... MMA definitely needs to practice supply depot micro :p
o choro é livre
NeonPeon
Profile Joined February 2011
93 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21372
The more that foreigners play koreans, the better the foreigners will get. If SC2 interest is sustained in the west, there will be interest in this exchange, and as consumers will have a better product.

This is an exciting time for E-sports.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21373
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=222580

MLG is honored to announce a true game-changer for the world of competitive StarCraft 2. Beginning at MLG Columbus and continuing throughout the 2011 Season, Major League Gaming and the GOMTV Global StarCraft 2 League are establishing a League Exchange Program that will send the best MLG players to compete in the GSL, and allow top Korean talent to play live in the US.

Pro Circuit Players Competing in the GSL

- At MLG Columbus, the Top 3 non-Korean finishers will each be placed into GSL Code A.
- At every 2011 Pro Circuit Live Competition after MLG Columbus, GSL placement will occur as follows:
- Code S status will be awarded to the highest placing player, regardless of country of origin, who does not already have Code S status.
- Code A status will be awarded to the next three highest placing non-Korean players.
- If Code S status is awarded to a Korean player, Code A status also will be awarded to the 4th highest placing non-Korean player.
- All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by the GSL.

GSL Pro Players Competing on the MLG Pro Circuit

- MLG will invite four Korean pro players to each Pro Circuit Live Competition.
- These players will be placed directly into the Championship Pools, one into each Pool.
- Their placement in the Pools will be determined by their GSL rank.
- All travel and accomodation expenses for these players will be provided by MLG.
- For MLG Columbus, we will also be inviting a player from the CSN tournament, currently in progress. This player will be seeded into the Open Bracket, and their travel and accomodation expenses will be covered by CSN.

This historic partnership marks the first time the GSL has ever qualified a player directly into Code S based on results from another tournament, and MLG Columbus will be the first time Korean players have ever competed live in an open-registration StarCraft 2 tournament in the US. We are working closely with the GSL to coordinate schedules so that all players involved will be able to compete in both the GSL and the Pro Circuit.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21374
On June 06 2011 07:19 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:18 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:18 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:17 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:16 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:15 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:14 Drazerk wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:14 Drazerk wrote:
Game Three is now starting on Typhon Peaks


In the Top left is Losira

While in the Top Right is MMA


2:00

Refinery on the way for MMA


2:10

Hatch first for Losira


3:00

Pool starting for Losira

Tech lab on the barracks


3:45

Reaper on the way for MMA


4:00


Command centre on the way for MMA

Ling speed starting for Losira


4:40

Factory on the way for MMA


5:20

Siege tech starting for MMA


6:20

Three command centres on the way for MMA

Baneling nest on the way for losira


8:00


Baneling bust from Losira kills a lot of scvs and all the marines
DonaldLee
Profile Joined August 2010
586 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21375
I love mass orbital so much. 650 minerals for foodless super mining and +10 supply.
iamthedave
Profile Joined February 2011
England2814 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21376
On June 06 2011 07:16 bkrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 06 2011 07:12 YodaGoneMad wrote:
On June 06 2011 07:03 BrahCJ wrote:
Just woke up and it looks like I've missed some of the best games!

A couple of things I want to note.
MajOr did an incredible job at this event.
Sheth and Slush are on the brink of breaking through that "next level"
MLG have done an amazing job. So much so, that I have enough faith to already buy tickets to the next 2 events. Even an act of god didn't stop them.

Now for the bombshell.
I don't like the fact that Koreans have come through and taken *all* (top 3) the money. Yes, they provided the "best" play, and are incredibly solid/strong/gosu, however to have "The greater race" fly in for 3 days, walk away with $12,000, and leave isn't good for the foreigner scene.
As is obvious, we have a pretty amazing audience now-days, but I don't believe we're giving the best foreigners the best chance at making this game viable. And if the best can't win an event like this, what is left for those at the brink of deciding whether or not they're going to dedicate their time/money/life to gaming, or to a 9-5 job.

Just like I buy the items with the "Made in Australia" tag over those made in China, I feel we should support the NA scene more than we did at MLG Columbus. Either that, or make it equally viable for foreigners to go to Korea, as it is for Korea to come to NA
(3 days for $5k, opposed to 1 month for $1500 in code A)

Sincearly,
Concerned fan.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!

This should be on the front page of TL. If Koreans come into the western tournaments and take all the money then the western scene is dead. Players like Naniwa and Thorzain could not afford to attend these tournaments if they had not won previous ones. In the future those types of players simply won't show up, because it will be a given that the Koreans will win.

Don't invite the best in the world because we are to bad to compete with them?

Players like Naniwa have said that they WANT to compete against the BEST otherwise it is not a true "competition".. The more integrated the western and Korean scene becomes is BETTER for esports as a whole. BW died out everywhere except in Korea - having Koreans fly in for foreigner tournaments works against that same outcome.

Anyway; i really want MMA to take this!!! Even if he loses though then we get MMA vs MC?


I'm getting pretty depressed by this attitude.

Last I checked we were trying to call this an e-SPORT, as in a competition. If we're going to not have the best players... why bother trying to call it a sport? It's been raging for ages with people saying that the Koreans really aren't the best.

Well, 6 of them came to MLG, 3 of them made top 3, two of the others were knocked out by one of those 3....

They're better. Why should worse players win lots of money? Because you like them more for playing worse?
I'm not bad at Starcraft; I just think winning's rude.
Nightkaira
Profile Joined March 2011
Singapore412 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21377
will the grand finals be a BO5 or BO 7 ?
Lobo2me
Profile Joined May 2010
Norway1213 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21378
On June 06 2011 07:17 SlayerSBriefS wrote:
there is a code S spot for the MLG winner


Code A Winner will automatically advance to Code S without going through Up & Down Match
- MLG Winner will receive a GSL Code S seed for the following month. (Even if the winner is a Korean player, the seed will be provided). If the winner turns down the Code S seed or is already a Code S player then the runner-up will be given the seed.

winner of MLG will get code S for next gsl. since losira and MC already have it, it's prolly going to go to MMA

That code S seed doesn't apply for MLG Colombus.
Bad manners are better than no manners at all.
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21379
Commander siege tank!
Trickstaloki
Profile Joined December 2010
United States164 Posts
June 05 2011 22:20 GMT
#21380
Boxer's spirit just facepalmed
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