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On May 31 2011 19:41 Sandster wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:35 Sc2Null wrote:
Shame when 2 base toss can serverly outproduce a 3/4 base zerg...shame What are you talking about? Zenio was never on 3 base production. In fact after DT's entered his base he lost all mining for 30 seconds, then he transferred drones over to his third and lost a ton of them. He had less than 30 total drones while choya had 48, so over time choya is going to be able to better reinforce if he's trading armies. Zenio should have picked off what he can, then retreat his roaches and let them heal while sacc'ing the hatch. In game 2, he was on 3 base to 2 from choya. After seeing choya destroy the rocks to his 3rd, zenio added a 4th (which never came into play), but choya didn't expo and instead went all in. Zenio started roach/hydra production slightly late because he thought expo, and gave up on a concave up the ramp and got destroyed after losing positioning. I have no idea where his reinforcing roaches from the other 2 hatches were.
^^It looked like for a second that Choya was going to take a 3rd but instead warped in more stalkers for that heavy gateway push
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I'm wondering if Zergs should rush to infestor when they scout twilight (with roaches obviously).
I think there is plenty of time to do it and it would destroy these 2 base blink pushes which still seem pretty popular and effective.
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On May 31 2011 19:41 Zhalad wrote:It doesn't matter anyway... winner of Choya vs Top is just a free win for Nestea or Bomber. 
Top vs Bomber could be close. Bomber would crush Choya though and Nestea will shit all over both.
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On May 31 2011 19:40 RPR_Tempest wrote:
If sC wins then every fOu member will advance to the Ro32.
Wow.
I'd have picked Leenock and SC to get through easy, not the other guys though.
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On May 31 2011 19:41 RPR_Tempest wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:40 Djagulingu wrote:On May 31 2011 19:37 provrorsbarn wrote:
Im sad for Zenio cuz I feel that Choya is probably one of the worst if not the worst player in the whole tournament..... Choya was just a scrub at BW (he starts looking funny after 10 minute mark in every single replay of him) and he is not different skillwise in sc2 and he can win games? That's something. No, ButterflyEffect is easily the worst player in the tournament. choya is also better than LegalMinD, Line and a few others.
Did you watch a single game of Line?
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On May 31 2011 19:40 Caphe wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:37 b_unnies wrote:
Choya's build was really really good.
Zenio was expecting a 2 base 7gate attack after sacrificing the ovie, but Choya went DT's to abuse Zenio's lack of detection since he was spending resources on making army, when Zenio does spend resources on detection, he couldnt continue 100% production on army and Choya outmacros him with the 7gate all-in Actually, I think Zenio saw DT walking across the map thats why hes backing up at that time. But he didn't want to morph another oversee(he had one near Choya's base). But he messed up with his drone micro and let DTs screw his rythm up.
People are reading way too much into this build. He went a bunch of gateways then a few DT's to do whatever damage he could. It wouldn't have hurt Zenio at all had he burrow'd his drones. It's a gimmicky build, involving TWO gimmicky builds into one ultra-gimmick. That's all choya is, it's a well documented fact.
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On May 31 2011 19:37 Popss wrote:
Rofl I thought that was such a baller exit when they cut to the booth like 3s after the GG and it's just a door closing.
lol that was so funny, particularly after the "we'll see a great reaction here" *cue empty booth with door closing* xD
On May 31 2011 19:39 Kleinmuuhg wrote:
Really nice build from Choya. Maybe becoming a coach did help him after all as he seems to have a really good understanding of how the match-up works.
I don't think Choya's understanding has really been in question too much, he's always been let down by sloppy unit control/mechanics far more than he has been by builds (no matter how abusive said builds might have been).
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On May 31 2011 19:40 MrProb wrote:
whats up with this tournament ? Mc, Jinro, Zenio and a few other good players are out. .
We've had 7 upsets in 28 games. However Alicia -MC wasn't really an upset I think. Jinro has been in a slump for a while and Zenio's ZvP has never been very good right?
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On May 31 2011 19:41 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:39 Vansetsu wrote:
TODAY INDEED MARKS THE BEGINNING OF CHOYA'S RETURN TO POWER....
HIS JOURNEY HAS JUST BEGUN..... ... and will probably end when he gets eliminated from code a qualifiers by someone who can stop stinky cheese, which is all he can do.
If anything it was a really smart cheese. Yeah choya is a mediocre player. But he outplayed Zenio there.
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On May 31 2011 19:42 SundeR. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:40 Caphe wrote:On May 31 2011 19:37 b_unnies wrote:
Choya's build was really really good.
Zenio was expecting a 2 base 7gate attack after sacrificing the ovie, but Choya went DT's to abuse Zenio's lack of detection since he was spending resources on making army, when Zenio does spend resources on detection, he couldnt continue 100% production on army and Choya outmacros him with the 7gate all-in Actually, I think Zenio saw DT walking across the map thats why hes backing up at that time. But he didn't want to morph another oversee(he had one near Choya's base). But he messed up with his drone micro and let DTs screw his rythm up. People are reading way too much into this build. He went a bunch of gateways then a few DT's to do whatever damage he could. It wouldn't have hurt Zenio at all had he burrow'd his drones. It's a gimmicky build, involving TWO gimmicky builds into one ultra-gimmick. That's all choya is, it's a well documented fact.
...What exactly does "gimmicky" mean? They're good?
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On May 31 2011 19:41 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:39 Vansetsu wrote:
TODAY INDEED MARKS THE BEGINNING OF CHOYA'S RETURN TO POWER....
HIS JOURNEY HAS JUST BEGUN..... ... and will probably end when he gets eliminated from code a qualifiers by someone who can stop stinky cheese, which is all he can do.
2 base DTs + Blink is Cheese now?
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I hate when bad players advance, mainly because we have to watch them again...
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On May 31 2011 19:37 ihasaKAROT wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:35 Sc2Null wrote:
Shame when 2 base toss can serverly outproduce a 3/4 base zerg...shame He had 3/4 base, but only 2 base worth of drones at some point. Then blink came when the roaches focucedfired there for some reason. Choya outplayed Zenio there, stop the toss-whine. If its not forcefields, its blink, if its not blink its colossi. Zergs should stop whining and accept a loss once in a while.
Forcefield, blink and collosi are all BS. Why WOULDN'T you whine about those?
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On May 31 2011 19:42 Djagulingu wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:41 RPR_Tempest wrote:On May 31 2011 19:40 Djagulingu wrote:On May 31 2011 19:37 provrorsbarn wrote:
Im sad for Zenio cuz I feel that Choya is probably one of the worst if not the worst player in the whole tournament..... Choya was just a scrub at BW (he starts looking funny after 10 minute mark in every single replay of him) and he is not different skillwise in sc2 and he can win games? That's something. No, ButterflyEffect is easily the worst player in the tournament. choya is also better than LegalMinD, Line and a few others. Did you watch a single game of Line?
Yes. Those were not Line's victories, those were Jinro's losses. I think choya could beat Line much the same way he beat Zenio who is overall a much better Zerg player.
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On May 31 2011 19:40 qazadex wrote:
Does anyone know how high Wolf is in Masters? He must be pretty high to be in FXO, right? Or is he just part of FXO because of his casting or something?
Pretty sure hes part of FXO cos of his casting.
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On May 31 2011 19:42 EmilA wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2011 19:41 Zhalad wrote:It doesn't matter anyway... winner of Choya vs Top is just a free win for Nestea or Bomber. Top vs Bomber could be close. Bomber would crush Choya though and Nestea will shit all over both.
I think Bomber would completely stomp Top.
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