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Thursday, May 26 10:00pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
IGN Pro League Season 2 Qualifier 3 Day 3 - Round of 8 and On
(Seeding Rounds)
Best of Three, starting on Xel'Naga Caverns
 DuckloadRa vs  ROOTDrewbie  EmpireNerchio vs mouzThorZaIN vileState vs FnaticNightEnD ESCGoOdy vs NrSRaNgeD Round of 4 Player vs Round of 4 Player mouzMana vs MillDieStar - Bonus match from Qualifier #1 in the Round of 4!
IPL Commentator
AskJoshy
Results
+ Show Spoiler +Set 1: TtWhiteRa vs ROOTDrewbie Game 1: TtWhiteRa > ROOTDrewbie on Xel'Naga Caverns Game 2: TtWhiteRa > ROOTDrewbie on Shakuras Plateau Set 2: EmpireNerchio vs mouzThorZaIN Game 1: EmpireNerchio > mouzThorZaIN on Xel'Naga Caverns Game 2: EmpireNerchio > mouzThorZaIN on Shakuras Plateau Set 3: vileState vs FnaticNightEnD Game 1: vileState > FnaticNightEnD on Xel'Naga Caverns Game 2: vileState > FnaticNightEnD on Shakuras Plateau Set 4: ESCGoOdy vs NrSRaNgeD Game 1: ESCGoOdy > NrSRaNgeD on Xel'Naga Caverns Game 2: ESCGoOdy < NrSRaNgeD on Tal'Darim Altar Game 3: ESCGoOdy < NrSRaNgeD on Crossfire Set 5: TtWhiteRa vs NrSRaNgeD Game 1: TtWhiteRa > NrSRaNgeD on Xel'Naga Caverns Game 2: TtWhiteRa > NrSRaNgeD on Tal'Darim Altar Set 6: mouzMana vs MillDieStar Game 1: mouzMana > MillDieStar on Xel'Naga Caverns Game 2: mouzMana < MillDieStar on Crossfire Game 3: mouzMana > MillDieStar on Terminus TtWhiteRa advances to the Qualifier #3 Round of 4! EmpireNerchio advances to the Qualifier #3 Round of 4! vileState advances to the Qualifier #3 Round of 4! NrSRaNgeD advances to the Qualifier #3 Round of 4! TtWhiteRa advances to the Qualifier #3 Finals! mouzMana advances to the Qualifier #1 Finals! ROOTDrewbie is relegated to fight for Seeds 5-8 for Qualifier #3 mouzThorZaIN is relegated to fight for Seeds 5-8 for Qualifier #3 FnaticNightEnD is relegated to fight for Seeds 5-8 for Qualifier #3 ESCGoOdy is relegated to fight for Seeds 5-8 for Qualifier #3 NrSRaNgeD is relegated to fight for Seeds 3-4 for Qualifier #3 MillDieStar is relegated to fight for Seeds 3-4 for Qualifier #1
VODs
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damm you IPL...
4 matches that are must see for me... but have to go to work tomorrow...
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Pumped to see thorzains TvZ again
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Nerchio - Thorzain will be awesome, Nerchio takes it 
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Speshul tektiks, is fine, you see.
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White-ra is so solid all around hes the Idra of protoss.
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On May 27 2011 07:27 DanboSmitty wrote:
White-ra is so solid all around hes the Idra of protoss.
That would also imply he blames every loss on balance and flames anyone who beats him, so I'd say it's an insult for White-Ra :D
Btw what's up with the insanely big scoreboard, Joshy went blind o_O?
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Just got back in time to catch some sexy WhiteRa action, so good so good!
Now gogo NerchiO!
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Pretty dissapointing by thorzain so far
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I dislike roach/bane/infestor zergs :/
Muta just feels better in every way
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Isn't Thorzain already qualified ?
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I thought Thorzain was qualified already?
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They are, it's for seeds.
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it says 'seeding round' so apparently these games only determine seeding--all players are already in
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On May 27 2011 07:43 grobo wrote:
I thought Thorzain was qualified already?
Copied from the main IPL thread:
Qualified but not yet seeded:
Qualifier #1:
MillDiestar
MillTarson
FnaticFenix
coLstalife
MouzMana
LiquidRet
ROOTDestiny
sixjaxVibe
Qualifier #3:
vileState
mouzThorZaIN
FnaticNightEnD
Ranged
ESCGoOdy
DuckloadRa
Nerchio
ROOTDrewbie
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On May 27 2011 07:43 MrCon wrote:
Isn't Thorzain already qualified ?
IGN Pro League Season 2 Qualifier 3 Day 3 - Round of 8 and On
(Seeding Rounds)
Everyone in these games are qualified as of the last round (hence them being bo5's before), they play out the rest of the qualification bracket to determine seeding for the main tournament =)
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thanks, I can watch this relaxed in this case :p
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Yes, Nerchio and Thorzain are just battling for seeding. They're both qualified.
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A much better 2rax transition from Thorzain in game 2, did enough damage and made the zerg build a spine crawler and lings. Then put an expansion up.
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I love how people, including the commentator, were acting as if thorzain didn't know his tanks were sieged...
He kept his tanks sieged because if he unsieged there he would have been overrun immediately by the mass zergling infestor behind the broods.
The only option there is to keep the tanks sieged to buy time and hopefully take out the mass broods. IT was basically a lose lose situation, but thorzain kept them sieged for a chance to see if he could take out the brood lords fast enough. He unsieges, he automatically would have lost everything. He stays sieged, he has a chance.
Just thought i'd put that here as I heard the commentator horribly mis-call that situation, and hordes of noobs in chat spam it with "why is he not unsieging vs broods."
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On May 27 2011 07:54 avilo wrote:
I love how people, including the commentator, were acting as if thorzain didn't know his tanks were sieged...
He kept his tanks sieged because if he unsieged there he would have been overrun immediately by the mass zergling infestor behind the broods.
The only option there is to keep the tanks sieged to buy time and hopefully take out the mass broods. IT was basically a lose lose situation, but thorzain kept them sieged for a chance to see if he could take out the brood lords fast enough. He unsieges, he automatically would have lost everything. He stays sieged, he has a chance.
Just thought i'd put that here as I heard the commentator horribly mis-call that situation, and hordes of noobs in chat spam it with "why is he not unsieging vs broods."
Yeah, I think a lot of people don't understand that about unsieging =/.
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On May 27 2011 07:54 avilo wrote:
I love how people, including the commentator, were acting as if thorzain didn't know his tanks were sieged...
He kept his tanks sieged because if he unsieged there he would have been overrun immediately by the mass zergling infestor behind the broods.
The only option there is to keep the tanks sieged to buy time and hopefully take out the mass broods. IT was basically a lose lose situation, but thorzain kept them sieged for a chance to see if he could take out the brood lords fast enough. He unsieges, he automatically would have lost everything. He stays sieged, he has a chance.
Just thought i'd put that here as I heard the commentator horribly mis-call that situation, and hordes of noobs in chat spam it with "why is he not unsieging vs broods."
Yeah. That was EXTREMELY close actually.
If Thorzains 2 extra vikings were there sooner, all the b-lords would of died without killing as many tanks, and the big push would not have broken the tank line.
Great attack timing.
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Whiteras first tourny wins as part of tt?
Sad that Thorzain lost 2-0, even tho he has qualified.
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thorzain seems to have forgotten the only way to beat zerg is to use good pressure and sitting back waiting for 12 broodlords and 12 infestors isn't going to cut it.
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theres no counter to this unit composition, nerchio wins vs every terran on EU the only ones who manage to beat him do it before he techs to hive.
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On May 27 2011 08:04 starcraft911 wrote:
thorzain seems to have forgotten the only way to beat zerg is to use good pressure and sitting back waiting for 12 broodlords and 12 infestors isn't going to cut it.
Yeah. Nerchio had his "perfect" BL/Infestor army at the 17:00 mark, much faster than any zerg should be able to get it. The fact that he skipped mutalisks means that thor could of bbeen dropping anywhere on the map all game long, but he turtled
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Clearly Thorzain is didn't want to reveal his baller tactics so he lost.
Honestly though WP nerchio, terran needs to start scanning hive/corruptors/spire to be quicker to respond with Ghost/Vikings.
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Nerchio is the best z player imo in eu right now. Better than morrow and dimaga, you see his mass gaming pays off, he tech expands at the right time, and he has perfect big battle micro.
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On May 27 2011 08:05 crabz wrote:
theres no counter to this unit composition, nerchio wins vs every terran on EU the only ones who manage to beat him do it before he techs to hive.
Cloaked Ghosts.
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Nightend talking in chat with state.
He is either trolling on on tilt hard.
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Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.
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On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.
Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective.
That or he could have made more than one viking
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That was a smart move by state to go for a big push after seeing that nightend already had his expo up and had a large economic lead. Close battle but state had just a stronger army.
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On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor.
You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.
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I don't think Nightend ever really made use of that Twilight Council. Blink could have really helped him in that last fight.
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On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor. Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective. That or he could have made more than one viking
Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed.
Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge waves of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.
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Well, that was quick 
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its one of those days in a week when Goody plays bio so that people wouldnt get too accustomed to his mech.
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You think  ThorZaIN lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for future opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against  Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.
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On May 27 2011 08:27 Pills wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor. Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective. That or he could have made more than one viking Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed. Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge wage of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.
You don't make too many. They're to complement your army not be the bulk of it.
Ghosts were his only way out of that situation. Nerchio had too many corrupters for vikings to be viable.
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On May 27 2011 08:26 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor. You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.
i've seen bratok using them and still losing dont know wtf are u talking about
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On May 27 2011 08:27 Pills wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:20 1Eris1 wrote:On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor. Don't use cloak, just use snipe. Extremely cost effective. That or he could have made more than one viking Did you see how many corruptors Nerchio had? There was no way that Thorzain could have salvaged the situation by then. Thorzain really needs to practice his vZ a bit more. There's no way he could have won against a decent Zerg by just turtling up. T needs to efficiently harass Z to delay tech until T can finally move into Zerg's main. TvZ is kinda like ZvP now: you can't just let Protoss get three bases and max out as a Zerg player or else you're screwed. Plus, making too many Ghosts is cost prohibitive, b/c then Zerg can just make a huge waves of lings and roaches and crush T's ground force.
10 or so ghosts is only 20 supply, it's hardly counterproductive if he's investing tons into broodlords. 10 ghosts can easily beat an equal amount of broodlords if you have full energy.
Major, Brat_OK, etc do this a lot, it's really good
But yes I agree, didn't really look like he knew what he was doing.
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Fast game: 2 rax w/ tech lab, marauders destroyed toss, probes pulled and died. that's about all the analysis that is needed for that game
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On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:You think ThorZaIN Lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.
I just think he's unpracticed in the matchup tbh. His best matchup has always been TvP and he practiced TvT a lot for Kas. He'll be rusty TvZ quite simply because he's had no need to practice it of late. I'm sure it'll improve now he doesn't have to focus on a specific matchup.
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On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:You think ThorZaIN lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for future opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him.
Or maybe he just lost because Nerchio is good.
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Which players will be: Round of 4 Player vs Round of 4 Player as the fifth match?
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WhiteRa vs the winner of this match
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On May 27 2011 08:33 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:31 TalonSix2000 wrote:
You think ThorZaIN Lost on purpose, as to not give away more info about himself. As there are so few replays available for him, it will dificult for opponents to get a read on him. I felt the games against Nerchio were very uncharacteristic for him. I just think he's unpracticed in the matchup tbh. His best matchup has Always been TvP and he practiced TvT a lot for Kas. He'll be rusty TvZ quite simply because he's had no need to practice it of late. I'M sure it'll improve now he doesn't have to Focus on a specific matchup.
He delt with FruitDealer pretty handily in TSL3.
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Goody's trademark micro (or lack of)
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Nerchio is a very good up-and-coming EU zerg, similar to Stephano.
Stop downplaying his win against Thorzain, he deserved it.
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On May 27 2011 08:32 crabz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:26 TheHova wrote:On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor. You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off. i've seen bratok using them and still losing dont know wtf are u talking about
I've seen IdrA lose to Protoss whilst doing Baneling drops. Does it make the strat not viable? Ofcourse it doesn't.
You can still do a viable build and lose -___-
It works very often for Brat_OK. Stop trying to suggest the composition is unbeatable ffs. Especially in a LR thread.
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Goody has cloak right? I mean I know Ranged has obs out but still why not use it?
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What an infuriating game by Ranged. That would make me rage so hard.
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lol goody why so bad. and now we have a pvp damn
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TtWhiteRa vs NrSRaNgeD up now!
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Ranged used naniwas build
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On May 27 2011 08:53 dizzy101 wrote:
What an infuriating game by Ranged. That would make me rage so hard.
What did he do? I missed it.
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What a bad play be Goody, I would have expected him to handle that a little bit better.
Well grats to Ranged I guess.
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On May 27 2011 08:54 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:53 dizzy101 wrote:
What an infuriating game by Ranged. That would make me rage so hard. What did he do? I missed it.
Did a 1 gate proxy and then just did an econ 4 gate behind it instead of trying to win off the proxy
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I think Ranged didn't realise he was ahead in probes. Should have just warped that last round in his base and try to defend.
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mouzMana vs MillDieStar will be closing out this night as a bonus cast from Qualifier #1!
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It's always funny how TSL which has had like 4-5 times more people viewing ends up having threads that are literally 50 times larger. So strange how much more people post in threads for specific events.
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On May 27 2011 09:19 Chicane wrote:It's always funny how TSL which has had like 4-5 times more people viewing ends up having threads that are literally 50 times larger. So strange how much more people post in threads for specific events.
Could also be the broadcast time? Still pretty early on the West coast. Plus, wasn't the TSL broadcast at the weekend?
Is that Daft Punk music in the IPL link, or am I imagining it?
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On May 27 2011 09:21 Ziggy Starport wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 09:19 Chicane wrote:It's always funny how TSL which has had like 4-5 times more people viewing ends up having threads that are literally 50 times larger. So strange how much more people post in threads for specific events. Could also be the broadcast time? Still pretty early on the West coast. Plus, wasn't the TSL broadcast at the weekend? Is that Daft Punk music in the IPL link, or am I imagining it?
It's not Daft Punk, but I'm not sure exactly who it is.
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Ping spoiler
+ Show Spoiler +We saw Mana's ping, so he sent in the replays. He wins this series.
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I'm pretty sure landed vikings are my favourite unit in the game.
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To Alex IGN. White Ra still plays as DuckloadRa for all tournys, He did not Join TT-Esports its just that White Ra has them as sponsers.
From his Facebook
"Aleksey "White-Ra" Krupnyk" Its sponsor not team I try help team apollos here but using on any tournament DuckloadRa
From http://www.facebook.com/WhiteRaSC Its like his reply to someone 4-5 posts down.
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On May 27 2011 09:40 HaRxTears wrote:To Alex IGN. White Ra still plays as DuckloadRa for all tournys, He did not Join TT-Esports its just that White Ra has them as sponsers. From his Facebook "Aleksey "White-Ra" Krupnyk" Its sponsor not team I try help team apollos here but using on any tournament DuckloadRa From http://www.facebook.com/WhiteRaSC Its like his reply to someone 4-5 posts down.
Alright thanks for letting me know
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On May 27 2011 09:19 Chicane wrote:It's always funny how TSL which has had like 4-5 times more people viewing ends up having threads that are literally 50 times larger. So strange how much more people post in threads for specific events.
Whats the purpose of even posting this lol
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Is vileState, TQstate from WCG qualifier 1 who played Idra in the finales??
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On May 27 2011 10:38 Whiteman103 wrote:
Is vileState, TQstate from WCG qualifier 1 who played Idra in the finales??
Yes
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On May 27 2011 10:38 Whiteman103 wrote:
Is vileState, TQstate from WCG qualifier 1 who played Idra in the finales??
Yup
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On May 27 2011 08:26 TheHova wrote:Show nested quote +On May 27 2011 08:18 link0 wrote:
Cloaked ghosts do not beat BL + Infestors. Even if the zerg doesn't make an overseer, fungal not only kills ghosts very quickly but also reveal cloaked units. BL almost 1 shot ghosts as well due to friendly fire from tanks.
Having multiple 200/100 units instantly die isn't how to you counter BL + infestor. You've clearly not seen how good snipe is against broodlords and overseers. You should watch Brat_OK play against that composition. The cloak is just to get the EMP on the infesters off.
It's not good except in the situation that the opponent only builds 3-5 broods. Every other smart Zerg has figured out that if you get up into the 8-15 range of broodlords then the ghosts are dead money for T.
But yah, you have to hit clutch EMP via cloaked ghosts on infestor. But fungal counters everything, including ghosts like linko said.
I think maxed mech (mostly thors) with ghosts is really good, but no good zerg ever lets ya get to that point.
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