He did just lose to.... Gatored.... Whose best MU isnt even meant to be PvZ I think.

But also all the attention is on his ZvT because far fewer zergs are considered good at that matchup, whereas plenty of zergs seem to have an easy time in ZvP. For example Nestea/Losira/Coca all 70+% ZvP, but various degrees of bad in ZvT.

Yeah I dunno I think he's kinda off today. He also dropped a game vs Strelok too and it looked like the series could go either way. I think it's most definitely jetlag.

Personally, I don't think he has a weak matchup and if he does, it would be his ZvT. But then again, him losing to Gatored really doesn't help my argument. ><"

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

October 14 2011 06:48 GMT

#3126

I think saying DRG's ZvP is weak is like saying Bomber's TvT is weak. It's only "weak" because the player is so stupid good at the other two match ups too easy to forget his "weak" match up is still insane good by normal standards, and only "weak" by that players very high standards. DRG's overall winrate vP is still 65% worldwide according to TLPD, and that's good enough to be a sniper on most Korean teams in a MU.

Edit: To further that statement, I looked at InCa's PvP. I think most would consider InCa to be one of the most elite snipers in Korea and his PvP is stupid good. Worldwide TLPD: 72%. DRG is only 7% difference vP (yes I know DRG plays Z) then the best PvP sniper out there. Not bad...

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

October 14 2011 17:30 GMT

#3127

FXO.Oz and

FXO.Sirius confirmed for the finals! Thread should be up hopefully today.

Edit:

ST.Squirtle also confirmed. 7/16 confirmed so far.

Vehemus

United States586 Posts

October 14 2011 20:27 GMT

#3128

On October 14 2011 15:48 Diamond wrote:
I think saying DRG's ZvP is weak is like saying Bomber's TvT is weak. It's only "weak" because the player is so stupid good at the other two match ups too easy to forget his "weak" match up is still insane good by normal standards, and only "weak" by that players very high standards. DRG's overall winrate vP is still 65% worldwide according to TLPD, and that's good enough to be a sniper on most Korean teams in a MU.

Edit: To further that statement, I looked at InCa's PvP. I think most would consider InCa to be one of the most elite snipers in Korea and his PvP is stupid good. Worldwide TLPD: 72%. DRG is only 7% difference vP (yes I know DRG plays Z) then the best PvP sniper out there. Not bad...

I prefer to look at ELOs in certain matchups. Winrates, while they do tell some of the story, don't actually take into consideration how good or bad the players you had to face actually were, while ELO does.

It's also not generally fair to compare different matchups vs. Protoss, especially mirror matchups. If someone had a 75% winrate TvZ, most would say that's damn good. But that isn't comparable to someone who's 75-80% in ZvZ, a matchup that's considered to be far more volatile and fragile. 75% ZvZ is incredible.

DRG currently has the 15th best ELO vs. Protoss in Korea by last update.
InCa is currently #3.

DRG's international ELO for ZvP is basically off the map. He ranks below zergs such as MorroW, CatZ, Moonglade, Ret, Stephano, July, Moon, IdrA, Sheth, Zenio, and Tan.

Does DRG have a relatively small sample size for international ELO? Yes. But he was 10-6 going into IEM NY and now I believe he's 11-8, including these losses to a nearly unknown USA Protoss in Gatored.

Diamond

United States10796 Posts

October 14 2011 20:35 GMT

#3129

oGs.ForGG,

oGs.InCa, and

oGs.JookTo all confirmed! Up to 10/16 now!

s3rp

Germany3192 Posts

October 14 2011 21:04 GMT

#3130

I'd love to see Byun back in Code A via this but even if he's invited i doubt he'd get the Code A spot he didn't play that well against Min :8

gostunv

Japan1178 Posts

October 16 2011 10:30 GMT

#3131

when is the bronze game>?

Tppz!

Germany1449 Posts

October 16 2011 11:03 GMT

#3132

it would be cool if someone would constantly update the results in liquipedia. i cant watch the stream most of the time so i rely on liquipedia but noones doing it

Oktyabr

Singapore2234 Posts

October 16 2011 13:12 GMT

#3133

Does the highest ranked non-code A/S player after the finals get the Code A spot? Would be a pity of Taeja just ripped his way through again.

Caesarion

Australia8332 Posts

October 16 2011 13:24 GMT

#3134

On October 16 2011 19:30 gostunv wrote:
when is the bronze game>?

The bronze game is not always played, most likely because there's no difference in prize money. If played, it's usually on the final day itself.

On October 16 2011 20:03 Tppz! wrote:
it would be cool if someone would constantly update the results in liquipedia. i cant watch the stream most of the time so i rely on liquipedia but noones doing it

Do you mean right as the games are played? Otherwise, they look pretty updated to me.
Example: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Korean_Weekly_12

DiMano's been doing a great job updating all the brackets. All information should be able to be found here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ESV_TV_Korean_Weekly
Look under ESV TV Events for the brackets.

On October 16 2011 22:12 Oktyabr wrote:
Does the highest ranked non-code A/S player after the finals get the Code A spot? Would be a pity of Taeja just ripped his way through again.

Yes, I'm pretty sure they would. Let's face it, it would be unfair to them because TaeJa would obviously win.

woobsauce

United States491 Posts

October 16 2011 22:43 GMT

#3135

Is the monthly weekly coming up this week? :D!

DiMano

Korea (South)2066 Posts

October 17 2011 10:29 GMT

#3136

Last week We just started adding brackets on wiki. All past event brackets are ready. From Weekly 12 it will getting better and better as you can see Korean Weekly 12 has more information then others and it was updating online. I can not watch streams online so I can update brackets only after I watched vods. So guys if you want to help welcome.