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sniverty
Profile Joined October 2010
United States72 Posts
April 14 2011 05:37 GMT
#3301
On April 14 2011 14:36 ceciljacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:33 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:32 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Defend til 200/200 is going to be the next big thing in the ladder for P v T.

No, getting nothing but pure bio isn't going to be the next big thing on ladder.


right. terran should be supplementing their bio with beefy dps units right? like colossus? terran have colossus right?


Well, Ensnare did need a lot more vikings. But it is kinda retarded that protoss can defend so easily on Taldarim Altar till 200/200.
confusedcrib
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1307 Posts
April 14 2011 05:37 GMT
#3302
If you sit until your opponent is at 200/200 as well, the only thing that matters is army composition, and incontrol's was much better
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Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
April 14 2011 05:37 GMT
#3303
Wow Ensnare... all you had to do was hit the 3rd or something while hes defending his natural........ as for lag no it didn't play a huge role in his loss, but I'm sure he would have bothered trying to micro his reaper if he thought his latency would allow. Still, totally Ensnare's fault for loosing... never replanted his 4th on the minerals, got way over confident.... I am a sad sad panda
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Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
April 14 2011 05:37 GMT
#3304
On April 14 2011 14:34 sleigh bells wrote:
i don't know that proves that people just like to watch 200/200 battles above all else, or just like it when koreans lose. terribly boring, knew he was gonna lose once he let inc get to 150+

It was all the suspense leading up to it. Incontrol was behind the entire game, and most people were expecting him to lose, but then he's still alive...he's still alive...and just jumps massively ahead. It was ensnares game to lose, and lose it he did.
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
April 14 2011 05:37 GMT
#3305
Ensnare had the advantage with a a nice early expand, and defending iNcontrol's push, but wasted the advantage by only building bio and teching very slowly. Incontrol was smart to play defensively and force the bio to small chokepoint so Ensnare didn't fully engage and only had 2 dropships at that time to harass with which was ineffective.
Goibon
Profile Joined May 2010
New Zealand8185 Posts
April 14 2011 05:37 GMT
#3306
gretorp is in love with diggity it's so cute
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A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
April 14 2011 05:37 GMT
#3307
On April 14 2011 14:36 Mercadia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:33 Jibba wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:31 nodule wrote:
HOW DID HE WIN THAT GAME?????

Ensnare's factory was incredibly late, and when he did engage it was anti-timing.

iNc was never very far behind, I have no idea why Gretorp thought that. He had his first collosus out and second almost finished, with range finished, as Ensnare was just starting to build his first Starport. That, combined with the 6 full energy sentries that he kept alive meant iNc was perfectly safe from Ensnare's pure infantry army.

Well played by iNc, but it was hardly an amazing comeback unless you only look at supplies.


Did you see the base timings? Ensnare was ahead by 1-1 in upgrades before incontrol started 1-1, he was 30 food ahead, and a base ahead while dropping two starports.

"Praise be to Tal'Darim Altar for those ramps and chokes otherwise I was toast" is what incontrol just said on stream. Cause it's true. Without forcefield and colossus Protoss might be held accountable for falling behind in games. Such a joke.

As a terran you cannot get a factory that late and expect to win against toss it just wont work, and not getting ghosts until the after the decisive engagement is a smart move either.
“Life is a gamble, at terrible odds. If it were a bet you wouldn’t take it.”
TheTenthDoc
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States9561 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3308
I just realized...I haven't gotten any commercials. I don't have adblock and haven't been on the HQ stream. Has anyone watching through TL gotten commercials?
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3309
well, great job incontrol.. was hoping to see july vs whitera, but no biggie.

~ The Ultimate Weapon
Werx
Profile Joined August 2010
United States54 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3310
gg and good work, Inc

If you didn't see what happened, ensnare lead his army with his vikings when Inc lead his with his phoenix. The vikings went down quickly, when the MM and Colossus/stalker ball engaged, Inc threw down 7-8 perfectly timed forcefields which actually stopped about 70% of Ensnare's M+M ball from firing. Not even his stalker/sentry ball was in range of the ff'ed off M+M ball so Incontrol came out about 80 supply up.

Thought this would help the people posting "LOLCOLOSSUSIMBA", "my joints hurt", and all that.
Kommander
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines4950 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3311
On April 14 2011 14:36 sleigh bells wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:35 Kommander wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:32 Mercadia wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:31 nvs. wrote:
incontrol gets uber supply blocked.

throws down 6 pylons at once.

proceeds to win the game?? O_o


Yeah it's called protoss.


Right, since TT1 is protoss, he had no problems and handily won against Sjow!

Oh wait....

i didn't watch sjow game but i'm guessing he didn't sit on his hands, pace the map, and let TT1 get to 200/200.

i wonder if TT1 still thinks he's better than MKP lawl


Exactly my point. Ensnare didn't do what Sjow did. It has nothing to do with any racial imbalance or crap like that, but instead the difference was in decision making.
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 05:39:27
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3312
On April 14 2011 14:36 ceciljacobs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:33 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:32 xxSK8rGUy277xx wrote:
Defend til 200/200 is going to be the next big thing in the ladder for P v T.

No, getting nothing but pure bio isn't going to be the next big thing on ladder.


right. terran should be supplementing their bio with beefy dps units right? like colossus? terran have colossus right?


Terran has beefy units, like battlecruisers, thors, siege tanks, and they have AoE casters (Raven/Ghost). Ensnare had none of these when the engagement came, he didn't even have more than 2 vikings or medivacs to support the bio army.

Bio is really really BAD in large numbers. It's good in middlish numbers, and pretty decent in smallish numbers. You NEVER want to max on pure bio and then attack in one big ball, just awful play.

Toss can easily defend against ground based bio aggression on Tal'darim altar, this is true, but not against siege tank pushes (go watch TT1 vs. Marinekingprime in the GSL world championships), and also not easily against banshee play.
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Poyo
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada790 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3313
<3 diggity
Poyo! poyo! poyo! poyo! poyo!
TYJ.Aoy
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil1265 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3314
Ensnare supply blocked himself 3 times in a row, didnt make enough ccs when he was far ahead ( yes he was far ahead, stop playing this game if you think otherwise) got a very late factory and attacked before 3-3 upgrade finished, an overall terrible play for a code S player.
Jibba
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States22883 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3315
On April 14 2011 14:36 Mercadia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:33 Jibba wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:31 nodule wrote:
HOW DID HE WIN THAT GAME?????

Ensnare's factory was incredibly late, and when he did engage it was anti-timing.

iNc was never very far behind, I have no idea why Gretorp thought that. He had his first collosus out and second almost finished, with range finished, as Ensnare was just starting to build his first Starport. That, combined with the 6 full energy sentries that he kept alive meant iNc was perfectly safe from Ensnare's pure infantry army.

Well played by iNc, but it was hardly an amazing comeback unless you only look at supplies.


Did you see the base timings? Ensnare was ahead by 1-1 in upgrades before incontrol started 1-1, he was 30 food ahead, and a base ahead while dropping two starports.

"Praise be to Tal'Darim Altar for those ramps and chokes otherwise I was toast" is what incontrol just said on stream. Cause it's true. Without forcefield and colossus Protoss might be held accountable for falling behind in games. Such a joke.

Yeah, it should've been a BO loss but Gretorp was going on about how far behind iNc was, after his collosi production had already kicked in. 30 supply of infantry against FF/collusus is nothing.
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funkyfritter
Profile Joined May 2010
353 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3316
On April 14 2011 14:36 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:35 Kommander wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:32 Mercadia wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:31 nvs. wrote:
incontrol gets uber supply blocked.

throws down 6 pylons at once.

proceeds to win the game?? O_o


Yeah it's called protoss.


Right, since TT1 is protoss, he had no problems and handily won against Sjow!

Oh wait....


And yesterday's results lmao...

The anti-Protoss qq is ridiculous, whereas the Protosses don't whine whenever they lose to Zergs or Terrans.


Balance aside, there's been plenty of protoss whining about terran infantry pushes since the beta.
Seam
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-14 05:39:34
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3317
On April 14 2011 14:35 DoctorClock wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:32 cheesemaster wrote:
=/ i dont really understand how ensnare lost that, i guess it really is true you have to push the protoss before 200/200. incontrol just a clicked into him he was suffering harddd fromm the 1 hotkey syndrom in that game, ensnare outplayed him in every way, just the end battle didnt go his way.


Ensare went almost pure Bio. Incontrol went mass Colossus + Phoenix with double upgrades. Ensnare didn't punish Incontrol for going so techy and let Inc macro up an unstoppable army.


Worth throwing this out there.

Going mass bio with 4-5 Vikings, and then attacking Pheonix with the vikings tends to lose to 6-7 Collosi.

Ensnare made a LOT of mistakes. Incontrol capitalized on said mistakes. Has nothing to do with Balance.

That, and Ensnare was 200 before Incontrol was 150, but just sat back doing nothing.
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PourLaGloire
Profile Joined February 2011
United States376 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3318
On April 14 2011 14:36 Mercadia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2011 14:33 Jibba wrote:
On April 14 2011 14:31 nodule wrote:
HOW DID HE WIN THAT GAME?????

Ensnare's factory was incredibly late, and when he did engage it was anti-timing.

iNc was never very far behind, I have no idea why Gretorp thought that. He had his first collosus out and second almost finished, with range finished, as Ensnare was just starting to build his first Starport. That, combined with the 6 full energy sentries that he kept alive meant iNc was perfectly safe from Ensnare's pure infantry army.

Well played by iNc, but it was hardly an amazing comeback unless you only look at supplies.


Did you see the base timings? Ensnare was ahead by 1-1 in upgrades before incontrol started 1-1, he was 30 food ahead, and a base ahead while dropping two starports.

"Praise be to Tal'Darim Altar for those ramps and chokes otherwise I was toast" is what incontrol just said on stream. Cause it's true. Without forcefield and colossus Protoss might be held accountable for falling behind in games. Such a joke.

Edit: Nothing against incontrol. Played your race perfectly there.

Wait, so you're saying that you have to play different races... differently?

QQing all over TL is simply not constructive in the least bit.
Speake
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States494 Posts
April 14 2011 05:38 GMT
#3319
Really enjoyed diggity's casting. Very smooth talker and doesn't try to analyze things to heavily over the player/caster gretorp.
tQ.Speake
ekaj
Profile Joined February 2010
United States174 Posts
April 14 2011 05:39 GMT
#3320
good job tonight nasl

or whenever it was recorded t_T
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