• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:17
CEST 17:17
KST 00:17
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event7Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8) Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? Missed out on ASL tickets - what are my options? ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May [ASL21] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Nintendo Switch Thread Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1025 users

Dreamhack Invitational - Page 562

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 560 561 562 563 564 614 Next
N3rV[Green]
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States1935 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11221
I challenge any one and everyone that believes MC cannot win a "real game" to go play him.

Just try. And ya know what? You wont see his late game, cause his pressure will kill you.
Never fear the darkness, Bran. The strongest trees are rooted in the dark places of the earth. Darkness will be your cloak, your shield, your mother's milk. Darkness will make you strong.
hagrin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States278 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11222
Honest question - Did White Ra build a zealot first in any game that series?

I don't remember one.
Sablar
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden880 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:58:28
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11223
Can't say I'm a fan of PvP either, but for being what it was it was kind of exciting. Don't care about all-ins, they seem legitimate in that matchup atm.
Brad
Profile Joined April 2010
2754 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11224
White-Ra is pretty much Immortal Toss. Forever great.
Lee Jae Dong proved that a focus on mechanics and execution could solve problems in the StarCraft game strategy.
Mawi
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden4365 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11225
On April 13 2011 04:51 HeIios wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:50 Mawi wrote:
WTF MC translator can speak swedish!

i shat brix o_O


It was pretty obvious from his english .

yeah i thought so at first but then ive heard some other koreans talk english and they kinda sounded almost the same as this translator :p
Forever Mirin Zyzz Son of Zeus Brother of Hercules Father of the Aesthetics
hc253218
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada252 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11226
MC is such a baller <3
sevia
Profile Joined May 2010
United States954 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11227
The proxy was insanely risky. Well-deserved win for MC.

Were they playing on plain Shakuras Plateau, not MLG or TSL? It didn't look like the ladder version, and they did spawn cross positions. I haven't seen any of the other games from today, so sorry if this has been covered already.
최지성 Bomber || 김동환 viOLet || 고병재 GuMiho
mizU
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States12125 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11228
On April 13 2011 04:52 Numenorets wrote:
Sadly MC can win only 4wgp or proxy rax.
I know have we must call him = Cheesman


Numenorets Ukraine

...
Nice.
if happy ever afters did exist <3 @watamizu_
ZeraToss
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1094 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11229
On April 13 2011 04:53 NEcropath wrote:
[image loading]

Anyone else notice the epic stare down between HuK and IdrA?


haha didnt noticed that, good job sir
"Personality should be irrelevant. This is a computer game tournament, not a dating show." EGIdrA on "introduce yourself and say something about your personality" Idra <3
coheN100
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany49 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11230
the tournament was just phenomenal, i really like the concept of the show. no comparison to mlg oder different torunemants. there was a lot of action, no long pauses and one evening is definitly enough for a tournament. the line up of competetors was great and the bo3 system was okay. it is a bit sad for the players that its only bo3 single elimination, but for the viewers it was quite fine, because there is a straight cup tree, clear results and no missunderstandings/disappointments about rules. (for example the 0-2 lead at mlg for incontrol and kiwikaki against tlo/socke in the looserbracket semifinal)
the caster "archon" was competent and 2gd was great like always

i really liked it.

idra: immortal/roach is pretty good against stalkers
Necosarius
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Sweden4042 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11231
On April 13 2011 04:51 DestroManiak wrote:

Show nested quote +
-
How did mc know where white ra was?
did he check if the minerals were mined?
-


quoted posts are read more often

Fixed positions.
gibb
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden288 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11232
Someone come up with something interesting in PvP please... Such an incredibly bad MU its not even worth watching ever again.

It's still left in the same state of developement that it was in the early beta... so incredibly stale and boring, especially if one of the players decides to never go past 1 base (which is a perfectly fine choice due to how the MU works currently).
Such a snorefest that not even Ra vs MC can make me raise an eyebrow.

From a spectator PoV, PvP is shit. It's less than 5% of the entertainment value of all the other MUs for me.
Bleh.
Manners.
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11233
On April 13 2011 04:51 Bellygareth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:44 pak150 wrote:
Have you forgotten that by definition sports should be entertaining to watch? Unless you're an uber fan, that kind of stuff (and frankly, PvP in general) is not entertaining.

Incorrect. Sports should be played to win, hence there being a shitton of sports not on your main stream television because they are not all enjoyable to watch, but they are still enjoyable to play. There are only a dozen or so major sports on television whereas there are hundreds maybe thousands of sports in the world.

If you are not entertained by strategy games where people play to win then so be it. Don't come up with an imaginary statement of fact to justify your own opinions.


Can't we be sad that our favorite lost?


Being sad that the awesomeness that is White-ra lost is one thing. Openly flaming and berating the person that beat him is another thing. Have we plunged so far into the depths that we have lost the ability to be civil?
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:55:05
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11234
On April 13 2011 04:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:44 pak150 wrote:
Have you forgotten that by definition sports should be entertaining to watch? Unless you're an uber fan, that kind of stuff (and frankly, PvP in general) is not entertaining.

Incorrect. Sports should be played to win, hence there being a shitton of sports not on your main stream television because they are not all enjoyable to watch, but they are still enjoyable to play. There are only a dozen or so major sports on television whereas there are hundreds maybe thousands of sports in the world.

If you are not entertained by strategy games where people play to win then so be it. Don't come up with an imaginary statement of fact to justify your own opinions.


And if Starcraft ll tournament finals continue to be like this, it will go the way of one of the "hundreds maybe thousands of sports", and professional Starcraft ll gaming will disappear incredibly quickly thanks to absolutely no interest.

Props for sticking to your guns, but this kind of play is not healthy to Starcraft ll E-sport growth, and if the meta-game doesn't change, or if Blizzard doesn't patch something, I feel we'll soon be saying goodbye to professional Starcraft ll gaming.
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:54:55
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11235
On April 13 2011 04:48 riboflavin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


I didn't forget this. But I also listen when players like MC promise entertaining games. There is pride involved in the way you win as much as the win itself. My frustration comes from the lack of showmanship. I want to see their mid and late game PvP (does that even exist?!) and MC knows that while he won, he did not win how a God would win. He won like a mere mortal, reverting to cheesy 'strategic' play.

He gets the check, get gets the W. WhiteRa gets my respect though.


Are you a protoss? Do you understand how annoying PvP is? A high level masters player can lose a PvP to a diamond level player just because of a build order coinflip. MC is as close as there is to a PvP god, but certain things beat him. For instance, second game, because there's an observer versus observer war and MC doesn't want to lose his, he won't be scouting, so he wouldn't see WhiteRa's ballsy expansion that dies to any pressure or scouting. WhiteRa cut a ton of corners and took huge risks to win his games, because he knew he had to do that to win. If that probe hadnt gotten in he was completely dead. If that expand got scouted earlier, he was completely dead.

Then people try to insult MC for playing one base protoss? Because if he expanded and it's scouted, the opponent comes in without that 400 mineral drain, and without the drain of making more probes, and rolls him over with a superior army. HERP DERP. They insult MC for proxy 2gating, when WhiteRa plays greedy, scouts late, doesn't check his own base, and always skips the first zealot for a fast stalker?

People who are whining must know nothing about protoss. People who say that WhiteRa is the obviously better player are just deluding themselves through fanboyism. He took huge risks that he knew he had to take after getting 3-0'd in the TSL. MC decided to allow him no opportunity to cut corners, and when WhiteRa had pressure on him he as unable to cut corners without outright dying.
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11236
On April 13 2011 04:52 Numenorets wrote:
Sadly MC can win only 4wgp or proxy rax.
I know have we must call him = Cheesman

your first post is a troll post. congratulations.
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
.kv
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2332 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11237
On April 13 2011 04:50 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:44 pak150 wrote:
Have you forgotten that by definition sports should be entertaining to watch? Unless you're an uber fan, that kind of stuff (and frankly, PvP in general) is not entertaining.

Incorrect. Sports should be played to win, hence there being a shitton of sports not on your main stream television because they are not all enjoyable to watch, but they are still enjoyable to play. There are only a dozen or so major sports on television whereas there are hundreds maybe thousands of sports in the world.

If you are not entertained by strategy games where people play to win then so be it. Don't come up with an imaginary statement of fact to justify your own opinions.

Maybe you just shouldn't watch Esports if you have zero appreciation for the best strategies winning just because it doesn't involve 200 units with shiny graphics. What I say today was a battle of minds and MC clearly came ahead by being the most unpredictable and well rounded player. As such I'm impressed and I don't need to see 5 games of colossus wars for that to be the case.


this sums up everything
venge1155
Profile Joined January 2011
United States174 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11238
On April 13 2011 04:46 FragtaLe wrote:
sensational production value, NASL and MLG have a lot to live up to.

Is it so much to ask to just enjoy one hell of an amazing day of starcraft 2? I mean Dreamhack just shattered my expectations of this tournament. NASL has to be entertaining, thats it.

This is apples to freshly planted watermelon. Why are you compairing somthing like Dreamhack, with permanent infrastructure (held in the same place every year, no portability needed) to something like NASL or MLG.

MLG is massive, and lower production value. It will get to a dreamhack level some day, but not soon. NASL is a baby, just starting. It's trying to do great things but does not need to live up to a convention with roots and tons of backing.

Please please please just enjoy Startcraft action and not over inflate your expectations.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:55:00
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11239
On April 13 2011 04:53 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:46 Sneakyz wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:46 Roe wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:44 MayorITC wrote:
It wasn't just cheese. The sheer genius behind it is amazing.

1. MC has NEVER proxied before in any tournament.
2. White-Ra usually goes 13 gate.
3. White-Ra usually skips a zealot and goes 2 gate stalkers.

doing something you've never done before isnt genius. doing something based on what someone else usually does isnt genius either.

Pretty sure MC's done a few proxies in GSL?


Not sure if he has or not, but I'd like to point out that in a STRATEGY game doing something you've never done before based on something you know your opponent does every time actually is genius and well thought out. People raging over cheese clearly weren't around for bw when boxer bunker rushed yellow three times in a row people cheered it was amazing and one of the most memorable finals in all of e-sports. Using cheese in calculated sets is GOOD, of course no one wants to see bitbybit style cheesing ever single game but in a bo5 throwing in one cheese when you know your opponent is unlikely to scout it early enough and won't blindly hard counter it is a smart thing to do...

In short I'm honestly disgusted with the state of LR threads recently its all balance qq and biased rage..

Uh, people were rather angry about the finals when they happened. The bunker rush, I mean.
PikaXchU
Profile Joined December 2010
Singapore379 Posts
April 12 2011 19:54 GMT
#11240
Well, enjoy collecting all the nerd tears shed over cheesing, when almost everyone who bitched about cheese here probably cheesed in their life before.

Door --------> Watch your step on your way out.
Carrier has arrived.
Prev 1 560 561 562 563 564 614 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
SC Evo League
14:00
SEL Masters #6 - Solar/Classic
SteadfastSC103
EnkiAlexander 39
LiquipediaDiscussion
WardiTV Invitational
11:00
Wardi Spring Cup
Percival vs Shameless
ByuN vs YoungYakov
WardiTV969
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Ryung 894
LamboSC2 188
Railgan 134
SteadfastSC 103
BRAT_OK 65
Vindicta 8
Ketroc 1
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 35118
Calm 7956
Sea 2739
Horang2 1855
Shuttle 1338
Hyuk 562
firebathero 510
EffOrt 505
ggaemo 486
Soma 352
[ Show more ]
Rush 287
hero 152
Nal_rA 142
actioN 111
Hyun 60
ToSsGirL 43
Killer 42
sorry 39
Barracks 35
Sharp 31
Movie 31
Hm[arnc] 29
Rock 26
IntoTheRainbow 16
Terrorterran 15
GoRush 15
JulyZerg 10
yabsab 9
SilentControl 8
Dota 2
Gorgc4202
qojqva1431
syndereN229
monkeys_forever205
420jenkins132
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor339
MindelVK6
Other Games
singsing2227
B2W.Neo1455
Beastyqt685
ArmadaUGS390
Lowko331
crisheroes289
Hui .230
KnowMe89
Rex32
Trikslyr22
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream63
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 18 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 35
• iHatsuTV 11
• Dystopia_ 3
• Kozan
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• sooper7s
• intothetv
• Migwel
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 78
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
• BSLYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV261
League of Legends
• Jankos1872
• Nemesis1598
Other Games
• Shiphtur175
Upcoming Events
IPSL
43m
Ret vs Art_Of_Turtle
Radley vs TBD
BSL
3h 43m
Replay Cast
8h 43m
RSL Revival
18h 43m
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
22h 43m
BSL
1d 3h
IPSL
1d 3h
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
Wardi Open
1d 18h
[ Show More ]
Afreeca Starleague
1d 18h
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
GSL
3 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
4 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Escore
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.