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GGruss
Profile Joined October 2009
Sweden121 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11181
Epic interview in swedish - MC explains that it was all about mind control.
HeIios
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden2523 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11182
"Jang min Kjol".
oGm`REM
Profile Joined March 2011
United States870 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11183
On April 13 2011 04:45 udgnim wrote:
[image loading]

I agree, you win the thread. Awesome picture!
Also, who cares what MC did, cheese or not. A win is a win.
oriGinal Mixers '99 - www.smiteam.net
brentsen
Profile Joined November 2010
1252 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11184
It was totally legitimate to punish White-Ra for doing that build every time, maybe anticlimatic to do it in the last game instead of the 4th or so. But whatever.
zevered
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada31 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11185
On April 13 2011 04:50 Argelia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:41 hugman wrote:
We need an MC anti-fanclub


qft


door's that way -->

if white ra had proxy gate'd you'd be spamming speshul taktiks / calling Ra a genius
mantower
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:53:29
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11186
2gd @ aftonbladet stream atm

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nojesbladet/spela/article12866551.ab
Train by day, Joe Rogan Podcast by night, all day!
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11187
On April 13 2011 04:50 TheTenthDoc wrote:
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On April 13 2011 04:47 ReacH. wrote:
How can people say that it was good strategy for MC to cheese? It was a coin flip, and it proves nothing about his skill.


It wasn't really a coinflip when he had clearly read how WhiteRa was playing from both these and earlier series. He saw time and again that WhiteRa was fairly greedy with economy and never got a fast zealot. I doubt WhiteRa could have held that attack even if he had scouted it once he skipped that first zealot.



Exactly. WhiteRa was using the 3stalker build quite often in this series, and in his PvPs in general. MC decided to capitalize on WR's tendency to go for that build, since it omits the early Zealot.
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11188
On April 13 2011 04:49 MajorityofOne wrote:
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On April 13 2011 04:48 riboflavin wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


I didn't forget this. But I also listen when players like MC promise entertaining games. There is pride involved in the way you win as much as the win itself. My frustration comes from the lack of showmanship. I want to see their mid and late game PvP (does that even exist?!) and MC knows that while he won, he did not win how a God would win. He won like a mere mortal, reverting to cheesy 'strategic' play.

He gets the check, get gets the W. WhiteRa gets my respect though.


There is no midgame or lategame PvP, unless you're watching bad players.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

There is, its just a lot faster. Midgame is when warpgate research finishes and lategame is if a collosus or blink finishes XD
TheBB
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Switzerland5133 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:53:36
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11189
On April 13 2011 04:51 lazyfeet wrote:
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On April 13 2011 04:49 TheDougler wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:44 halvorg wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


Did you enjoy it when this happened?


Really, people have a right to be upset if we are robbed of a great finish yeah? But MC won grats to him.


Well said Halvorg. No offence Naz, I just think that both sides of this argument are represented well by this. MC did what he chose to to win and it worked and thats great, but I understand how one could be disappointed by that

The video show something that is illegal tactics. What did mc do that was illegal against the rule of the game?

It's not illegal, per se. Or, to be more precise, the advantages outweighed the penalty.
http://aligulac.com || Barcraft Switzerland! || Zerg best race. || Stats-poster extraordinaire.
zergtat
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Hong Kong853 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11190
Dreamhack good work! congratz to MC again!
Z: SEn P: White-Ra T: Polt
DrOmni
Profile Joined March 2011
United States128 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11191
On April 13 2011 04:46 FliedLice wrote:
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On April 13 2011 04:45 Caphe wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?

Well said. For those who blame MC for his cheese, I think they are just new to the scene. Cheese in Bo5 is very common in SC.
Congrats MC!!!


still doesn't change the fact that this was pretty much the most underwhelming final game ever >_>


That line is said at every tournament because people just do not understand that every game is not going to be a giant macro slug fest. This final actually showed more strategy and difference than almost any other and the players both played fantastically.

White-Ra won't, or at least shouldn't, take a cheese like this badly. It showed that MC knew the games were going way to close to his liking and he wanted to try to throw it in his favor (like every pro should).

Hope we see these two meet up many more times as they both start attending more tournaments.
"Marcus, that is also not a good use of a third command center!" - Day9
Numenorets
Profile Joined April 2011
Ukraine2 Posts
April 12 2011 19:52 GMT
#11192
Sadly MC can win only 4wgp or proxy rax.
I know have we must call him = Cheesman

User was warned for this post
haylmfao
Profile Joined January 2011
124 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11193
On April 13 2011 04:49 SenorChang wrote:
Might stop reading LR threads soon, the absurdity and complaints from some people just gets too overwhelming D:

Might stop watching SC2 soon, the constant PvP 1 base vs 1 base PvP finals are getting a little old... and I just don't see how to stop this form happening without giving warpgates the reaper treatment
LDdota
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1465 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11194
On April 13 2011 04:51 Arolis wrote:
MC now has 15,000 dollars. One dollar for each nerd that cried over the 2-gate ending. I do understand that the tournament has been totally amazing and that was a bit anti-climatic, but come on. 2-gating with 15k on the line in the last game when you were down 0-2 takes balls. And it was really smart because it was so unexpected. I can't be mad at probably the most intelligent proxy 2-gate I've ever seen.


Haha one dollar for each delicious nerd tear...I was rooting for white-ra too, but MC clearly outclassed him with superior strategy & control.
Levistus
Profile Joined December 2009
1134 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11195
awesome tournament. everyone had fun. even the audience were laughing and enjoying themselves.
hey man just curious
Hamzilla
Profile Joined April 2011
United States143 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11196
best sc2 tourny of ever
nerd
SoBeDragon
Profile Joined October 2010
United States192 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:54:03
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11197
/sarcasm on

Thank you MC for showing us some of the most thought provoking, dynamic, interesting and ground breaking games I've seen in PvP. Your builds are both unique and unpredictable. I was thoroughly entertained with the 4 gating and proxy gate cheeses.

/sarcasm off

Loved the tournament and the production value. I was laughing in my chair as I was watching. I really wish the best players in the world can turn PvP into more then 4 gate vs 4 gate.

Thanks to Dreamhack for providing some of the best content I've seen in a while. I hope MLG was watching
If at first you don't succeed, redefine the parameters for success.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11198
Going home now, so happy. Hope you guys enjoyed the event as much as us.

Sincerely,

The crowd



P.S. ESPORTS & Team Liquid fighting!
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11199
On April 13 2011 04:46 Sneakyz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:46 Roe wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:44 MayorITC wrote:
It wasn't just cheese. The sheer genius behind it is amazing.

1. MC has NEVER proxied before in any tournament.
2. White-Ra usually goes 13 gate.
3. White-Ra usually skips a zealot and goes 2 gate stalkers.

doing something you've never done before isnt genius. doing something based on what someone else usually does isnt genius either.

Pretty sure MC's done a few proxies in GSL?


Not sure if he has or not, but I'd like to point out that in a STRATEGY game doing something you've never done before based on something you know your opponent does every time actually is genius and well thought out. People raging over cheese clearly weren't around for bw when boxer bunker rushed yellow three times in a row people cheered it was amazing and one of the most memorable finals in all of e-sports. Using cheese in calculated sets is GOOD, of course no one wants to see bitbybit style cheesing ever single game but in a bo5 throwing in one cheese when you know your opponent is unlikely to scout it early enough and won't blindly hard counter it is a smart thing to do...

In short I'm honestly disgusted with the state of LR threads recently its all balance qq and biased rage..
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
NEcropath
Profile Joined August 2010
United States223 Posts
April 12 2011 19:53 GMT
#11200
[image loading]

Anyone else notice the epic stare down between HuK and IdrA?
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