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JadedShock
Profile Joined October 2010
United States90 Posts
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11101
Can't lie I am not happy with that sort of ending to such an amazing event but it was a legit win so whatever.

White Ra still has my heart <3
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Durp
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada3117 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:50:24
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11102
If WhiteRa had followed the #1 rule of PvP and scouted his base he'd have gotten a free win.

Gone are the days where ridiculous all in strats made you a legend.. or an Emperor
SOOOOOooooOOOOooooOOOOoo Many BANELINGS!!
Turgid
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1623 Posts
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11103
On April 13 2011 04:48 riboflavin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


I didn't forget this. But I also listen when players like MC promise entertaining games. There is pride involved in the way you win as much as the win itself. My frustration comes from the lack of showmanship. I want to see their mid and late game PvP (does that even exist?!) and MC knows that while he won, he did not win how a God would win. He won like a mere mortal, reverting to cheesy 'strategic' play.

He gets the check, get gets the W. WhiteRa gets my respect though.

Yeah, didn't win how a God would win. Even Flash cheeses.
(╬ ಠ益ಠ)
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38255 Posts
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11104
Absurdly good day of SC2 all in all:

Great players
Great games
Great casting
Great hosting
Great crowd
Great production
Great scheduling
Great (for PvP) finals

GG, well played Dreamhack. You just raised the bar for tournaments outside of Korea by a fucking mile.
MrSexington
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States1768 Posts
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11105
On April 13 2011 04:45 Jyvblamo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:43 MrSexington wrote:

I just noticed that he threw his sword, but right afterward he's holding his sword again.


I have to watch the movie again but... did he have two swords? Can't remember.
blooblooblahblah
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia4163 Posts
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11106
On April 13 2011 04:45 Euronyme wrote:
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On April 13 2011 04:44 MayorITC wrote:
It wasn't just cheese. The sheer genius behind it is amazing.

1. MC has NEVER proxied before in any tournament.
2. White-Ra usually goes 13 gate.
3. White-Ra usually skips a zealot and goes 2 gate stalkers.


I'm pretty sure he proxyd against San in the next to last GSL ^^
It was when it was confirmed San couldn't stay in a game for longer than 10 minutes.


MC loves to proxy gate lol. He did against MKP in the Ro8, and even in the finals against Rain. In PvP, he also proxy gated San.

However, personally i thought the proxy gate was just a really good read on White-ra's play in the series. It could've been held if White-ra scouted after pylon, but he ended up scouting the wrong base anyway.
Ganzi beat me without stim. Ostojiy beat me with a nydus. Siphonn beat me with probes. Revival beat my sentry-immortal all-in.
Funkatron
Profile Joined July 2010
United States725 Posts
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11107
On April 13 2011 04:46 Mellon wrote:
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On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


No, but some people want to be entertained obviously. It's not entertaining to watch the last game ending before any real skirmish. I don't think anyone claimed (atleast you shouldn't) that MC did a strategic bad move. He read White-ra properly, he knows he's not scouting properly and is blind-expecting a 4-gate without even scouting with his 9 probe. MC definately outplayed him, no discussion there, but he's never gonna be the fans favourite, at least he's not my.

The fans will never enjoy watching "cheese" games as much as they'll enjoy macro games. I don't get it.. have you forgotten people want to be entertained?

It was pretty entertaining. Tell me you weren't on the edge of your seat when white ra's probe went out to scout.
IMO games where the players sit around and build armies for 30 minutes without attacking are more boring.
Grimjim
Profile Joined May 2010
United States395 Posts
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11108
On April 13 2011 04:48 Cloud92684 wrote:
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On April 13 2011 04:46 Fatalize wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?



Have you forgotten that microing 3 units has absolutely nothing to do with strategy ?

Micro in general has nothing to do with strategy. Strategy is about economy management and global army management aka positionning. Microing individual units has nothing to do with strategy.


I can't tell if this was serious or just trolling


Uhh, he's right. Just because you don't agree with it doesn't make it trolling.
I am serious. And my name is Shirley.
Deleted User 109835
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
629 Posts
April 12 2011 19:49 GMT
#11109
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BleuDeChanel
Profile Joined March 2011
Peru30 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11110
On April 13 2011 04:45 udgnim wrote:
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On April 13 2011 04:43 MrSexington wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsqJFIJ5lLs


[image loading]


This made laugh so hard.

It's the real fact btw.
rip in piece
archflames
Profile Joined September 2010
Mexico204 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11111
the only thing i did not like about this tournament is that 2nd place doesn't get any prize money
Beware the rage of a patient man
ArneX
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden24 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11112
On April 13 2011 04:46 FragtaLe wrote:
sensational production value, NASL and MLG have a lot to live up to.


NASL cant live up to it, they are not live, casting from replays is just boring imo.

MLG on the other hand, once they have ironed out the problems and streamlined the way they stream their games (not 30 min break between each game) it will be awesome, since its an open tournament.
Zyte
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands564 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11113
Production wise dreamhack is the example for any other sc2 tournaments.
ret * Leenock * DiMAGA * Grubby * FBH
TooN
Profile Joined February 2011
1046 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11114
MC 3 gate blink - People on TL = I Hate him.. no respect
MC 4gate - People on TL = Thats all he does... no respect
MC 2 gateway proxy = what a douche
MC series vs Idra = wow PvZ is so imba
MC defends roach all in from Marrow = what protoss with the wall in... so stupid.
MC wins the tourney People on TL = He lost a fan, I lost respect for him, How could he do this to whtie ra.

Show some respect and acknowledge the game rather than coming to every game with already hate for someone.
Zabedisi
Profile Joined March 2011
88 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11115
Great tournament. I enjoyed the comeback to be honest. Starcraft's strategy doesn't exist only within the game, especially not in tournaments.

I'm just glad djwheats voice isn't drilling holes in the back of my head.
The man with no imagination has no wings
MisterTea
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1047 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11116
MC never cheeses and likewise Whitera never scouts early, was a perfect decision to do that on game 5
Denzil
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom4193 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11117
On April 13 2011 04:48 Golgotha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:46 Ragoo wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:44 halvorg wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:42 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I don't get it.. have you all forgotten this is a strategy game?


Did you enjoy it when this happened?


Really, people have a right to be upset if we are robbed of a great finish yeah? But MC won grats to him.


I personally enjoyed it very much, especially when they won the game with this brilliant move :D


dude that handball was such bs...yeah it is a very cool move for Uruguay but if you are from Ghana...your blood boils.


That fuck should be shot it ruins the spirit of the game and degrades your own country.
Anna: So Sen how will you prepare for your revenge v MC? Sen: With a smile.
Chaosvuistje
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands2581 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11118
On April 13 2011 04:47 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 13 2011 04:47 nicotn wrote:
On April 13 2011 04:47 phorian wrote:
oGsMC - total baller


total cheeser


total winner


totally irrelevant.

I want to thank the guys at dreamhack for putting together this amazing artwork of a tournament. Unfortunately they have poisoned my eyes with such beauty that it might make the NASL a slight disappointment .
Boof
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada77 Posts
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11119
MC, Duke Nukem sends his regards.
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-12 19:52:09
April 12 2011 19:50 GMT
#11120
On April 13 2011 04:44 pak150 wrote:
Have you forgotten that by definition sports should be entertaining to watch? Unless you're an uber fan, that kind of stuff (and frankly, PvP in general) is not entertaining.

Incorrect. Sports should be played to win, hence there being a shitton of sports not on your main stream television because they are not all enjoyable to watch, but they are still enjoyable to play. There are only a dozen or so major sports on television whereas there are hundreds maybe thousands of sports in the world.

If you are not entertained by strategy games where people play to win then so be it. Don't come up with an imaginary statement of fact to justify your own opinions.

Maybe you just shouldn't watch Esports if you have zero appreciation for the best strategies winning just because it doesn't involve 200 units with shiny graphics. What I say today was a battle of minds and MC clearly came ahead by being the most unpredictable and well rounded player. As such I'm impressed and I don't need to see 5 games of colossus wars for that to be the case.
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