EPTAnyway, I love the fact this showmatch got put together, thanks to the organizers. It's a wonderful time to be a SC2 fan.
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theKOT
United States167 Posts
Anyway, I love the fact this showmatch got put together, thanks to the organizers. It's a wonderful time to be a SC2 fan. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
On April 01 2011 16:53 theKOT wrote: Ever since I saw Bomber play against July in the ST invitational I've been waiting for him to make it big. Unless he has some sort of weird nerves problem he should destroy code A. Anyway, I love the fact this showmatch got put together, thanks to the organizers. It's a wonderful time to be a SC2 fan. He won me over a bit during it, but I didn't think he is THAT good 0_o. I was very, very wrong. Also all the VOD's are updated in the OP. Don't forget that the giveaway contest is open until Monday! Details in OP. | ||
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Rayansaki
Portugal1266 Posts
On April 01 2011 11:42 HowSoOnIsNow wrote: Well Bomber was the only player who managed to defeat MMA in a macro game. So yeah his TvT is pretty good. He also lost a TvT to mvp where he had over 40 supply of advantage at one point (And it wasn't 200 to 160, was like 110ish to 65ish), on GSTL feb's finals. His TvT is really not that special, granted mvp is a beast in TvT but he shouldn't have taken that game in the GSTL vs a competent Terran, after the mistakes he made in the first engagements. | ||
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hmmm...
632 Posts
On April 01 2011 14:51 Fenrisulf wrote: Thats a bit of a stretch to name him the best foreign player in the world.... So many people saying Whitera is so good, best foreigner, just based on a bo1 PvP in the WC...(not saying he has no other achievements but that seems to be the reason behind so much of the hype in the last few days). Lost a lot of respect for him when he BM'd like that in a televised match =/ Even idra doesn't BM in GSL. Hes out there representing his country and the foreign gaming community as a whole (and as the team captain no less) and he makes a comment like that? disgusting... note: I am referring to his sarcastic comment to san after losing game 3 in the ro16. Different from bm like dancing units/mule dropping/ceremonies because this is the losing player bm'ing the winner. yeah...i was excited to see this guy named White_RA play for the first time since I only watch gsl and he's been hyped for so long on these forums. turns out he's immature considering his age. bming san for 4gate-ing, and being sarcastic about it too LIVE in a televised match? is this guy really 31 and married? what a joke. also note when Artosis talks about foreigners he loses all credibility. he's very biased. when sen attacked with banelings and roaches into mkp's army in the 2nd match yesterday, tasteless was trying to say how sen's losing alot if not all his roaches, esp given that he sacrificed building drones to build up army and Artosis is like "it doesn't matter, it's SEN! he killed a lot of mkp's scvs" well the thing was mkp was concentrating on his economy so he had a lot of scvs anyways while sen didn't and i'm sure Artosis knew this. also, in the same game, Sen loses all of his initial mutalisks that were on hold to kill two tanks. Tasteless is like "but he lost ALL of his mutas" then Artosis just interrupts and says "but it's okay it's Sen, he doesn't need mutas". lol wut seriously? is this the professional, accurate casting we've come to know from Artosis? what a joke. | ||
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tarath
United States377 Posts
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Pervect
1280 Posts
If you know anything about White-Ra and think what he said at the end of game 3 vs san was intended as bad manner, then you are actually retarded. Please don't say garbage when you don't know what you're talking about. | ||
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Vorenius
Denmark1979 Posts
The same rule applies to MLG. But it looks like it's not being enforced either place. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 01 2011 14:51 Fenrisulf wrote: Thats a bit of a stretch to name him the best foreign player in the world.... So many people saying Whitera is so good, best foreigner, just based on a bo1 PvP in the WC...(not saying he has no other achievements but that seems to be the reason behind so much of the hype in the last few days). Lost a lot of respect for him when he BM'd like that in a televised match =/ Even idra doesn't BM in GSL. Hes out there representing his country and the foreign gaming community as a whole (and as the team captain no less) and he makes a comment like that? disgusting... note: I am referring to his sarcastic comment to san after losing game 3 in the ro16. Different from bm like dancing units/mule dropping/ceremonies because this is the losing player bm'ing the winner. I can only laugh at this child-like obsession with BM. A lot of people find every frustration generated comment as BM. And even if I considered it BM why should we care in this case. Should I also bash MC for his BM (as basically everything he does "in persona" is BM in your definition) when he gives a thumb down before games or points to Korean flag after defeating Morrow. The former is actually more insulting than venting a frustration over 4-gate preventing longer, more entertaining games. And he does that in televised matches. Also why should be winning player able to BM and losing player not, and why should it matter where the BM was done ? There is behaviour that I dislike and might call BM, like MC's(and others') thumb down, some of Idra's comments belittling his opponents before the match(i do not care mostly what he says after losing, people get frustrated after loss). Yet I am still their fan(not my favourite players but nonetheless I am a fan), because why should small inconsequential things like that change the fact. And you calling White-ra's behaviour disgusting show that you don't know what disgusting behaviour actually is. And just to note, he is not best foreigner, there is none that can be granted that title at this time. But if some consider him that it is definitely not because of the game vs MC, but because of the multiple great performances in recent months. | ||
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MechKing
United States3004 Posts
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koolaid1990
831 Posts
On April 01 2011 17:17 Pervect wrote: LOL people think White-Ra is BM, LOELSOLDOLSDSDL 2012 is also real If you know anything about White-Ra and think what he said at the end of game 3 vs san was intended as bad manner, then you are actually retarded. Please don't say garbage when you don't know what you're talking about. your retarded. white ra said san is good at 4gating. He just said in this interview 4gating is such an ez build to pull off, so obviously saying someone is good at something that is really ez is bm. just like how idra said "building carriers is a useful skill toi have". http://www.justin.tv/kellymilkies/b/282628325 --> interview. | ||
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tdt
United States3179 Posts
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On April 01 2011 17:17 Pervect wrote: LOL people think White-Ra is BM, LOELSOLDOLSDSDL 2012 is also real If you know anything about White-Ra and think what he said at the end of game 3 vs san was intended as bad manner, then you are actually retarded. Please don't say garbage when you don't know what you're talking about. Ironically, you're the one who doesn't know what he's talking about. WhiteRa pretty much confirmed it was BM in an interview. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On April 01 2011 17:03 hmmm... wrote: yeah...i was excited to see this guy named White_RA play for the first time since I only watch gsl and he's been hyped for so long on these forums. turns out he's immature considering his age. bming san for 4gate-ing, and being sarcastic about it too LIVE in a televised match? is this guy really 31 and married? what a joke. also note when Artosis talks about foreigners he loses all credibility. he's very biased. when sen attacked with banelings and roaches into mkp's army in the 2nd match yesterday, tasteless was trying to say how sen's losing alot if not all his roaches, esp given that he sacrificed building drones to build up army and Artosis is like "it doesn't matter, it's SEN! he killed a lot of mkp's scvs" well the thing was mkp was concentrating on his economy so he had a lot of scvs anyways while sen didn't and i'm sure Artosis knew this. also, in the same game, Sen loses all of his initial mutalisks that were on hold to kill two tanks. Tasteless is like "but he lost ALL of his mutas" then Artosis just interrupts and says "but it's okay it's Sen, he doesn't need mutas". lol wut seriously? is this the professional, accurate casting we've come to know from Artosis? what a joke. Turns out you should maybe venture outside of gsl and also turns out you have no idea what immature means  As for the roaches I think you(and Tasteless) are probably right, as for the mutas he did not say what you paraphrased as he actually offered implied explanation of why Sen is sacrificing his mutas. I am not sure if that sacrifice was good or not, but I also saw the point in their sacrifice. As for your assessment on Artosis' commentary, try searching here on TL for "neutral commentary" by Chill, also check Day9's commentary in SoTG why he is "biased/cheering" for foreigners. I don't know how many people agree with you on how they perceive Artosis' cast of those games, but definitely not all, I actually love how he was so excited as I was in the same state of mind so he made it so much more enjoyable. | ||
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Hemula
Russian Federation1849 Posts
I don't see it as BM, maybe because I also don't see not typing gg as BM. There might be something wrong with me. But it doesn't matter, because this topic is about Bomber vs White_Ra and not about what bm is. I want to see some well-written thoughts about these games. Please. | ||
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TR
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
As for micro, White-ra can have great micro and sometimes he does things noone else does (see his warp prism micro in other series) he also slips too often and even at his best he was just barely a match for Bomber. White-ra also too often engaged in wrong spots and this definitely cost him some games. In the epic game 4 of the 4-0 series he twice engaged in quite easily preventable spots. I think if he had been in Korea longer and had adapted to Korean timings, his biggest strength might have gotten the score more even. I mean his decision-making and crisis-management which I consider one of the best in the world, but that was not seen in most games here because he just got killed. All in all, Bomber was one level above. No White-ra was not destroyed but he definitely got outplayed. If you are a terran these are great games to learn from. Game 4 of the 4-0 series was definitely fun, and I think White-ra was definitely pleased with that game in the sense that he said he wanted to show good games and this one was great. EDIT:clarified one sentence | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10866 Posts
Seriously... Oh no, he said someone is good at 4 Gating... You know what? Thats a fucking fact and actually also a really nice thing if you have to play PvP, if you see this as BM your just one thing: A moron.. | ||
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VirGin
Norway278 Posts
On April 01 2011 19:10 Velr wrote: Seriously... Oh no, he said someone is good at 4 Gating... You know what? Thats a fucking fact and actually also a really nice thing if you have to play PvP, if you see this as BM your just one thing: A moron.. Given White-Ras comments in an interview after it's quite clear that the comment was intended as sarcastic. If you consider it BM or not I don't care but in a televised world championship match, probably not the smartest thing to do, honestly. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10866 Posts
There are plenty of sports where participants BM each other a little. It's normal, it's part of the game, get over it and stop being so hypersensitiv. FFS in Moto-GP Lorenzo puts down a fucking flag on the course when he wins and no one goes all "OH, what an insult", "He should not do that, these people fought for their freedom/country."... When a Tennis player states about another that he's incredibly good on Sand he is also saying: "he is better when the game is slower"... or when he states: "If i can take his Service i should be able to win" he's also just saying: "His normal play is worse than mine but hes good at hitting a "standing" Ball". Not even going into Boxing/MMA and that stuff... Do you see people go batshit insane about stuff like this? No, you don't. Do you know why? Because it's normal in basically ANY 1on1 competition. | ||
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