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On March 28 2011 03:35 jmbthirteen wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 03:34 Zufiras wrote: is there a way for zerg to really beat a 3 base turtling toss, whos waiting for a maxed push. Seems really hard if the toss knows what hes doing Its called not letting your opponent mass up a 200/200 army. Even Idra has said as Zerg you can't go at them head on. He knows not to do it and still fucking does it.
were you not watching the same game as me?
he attacked 200/200 twice when cruncher was at like 140.
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I also would not have given a GG. GG stands for Good Game, which that most definitely was not.
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"we will not beat him up for this" (idra's no glhf)
RIIIIIIIIIIGHT
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People are saying the LQ stream working, but it never loads. The HQ stream will load but it's laggy with my internet. Is Team Liquid providing other options then their official streams?
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day 9 is awesome!!
'idra seems to have a broken enter key in this game aswell as the last one'
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On March 28 2011 03:36 zasda wrote: infestors get buffed to deal better with protoss deathballs -> lets not use them herpaderpa? These games were played before 1.3.
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I'm still surprised that people cite Idra's macro as a reason why Idra should have won
Zerg macro doesn't mean anything if Protoss is allowed to build up a 200/200 death ball
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Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
1:00 Idra with OL on 9, scouts north first. Cruncher with pylon on low ground and going with forge FE.
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300/200 food army got rolled by Collosus/VR composition with Protoss losing mostly only VRs and surviving with a ton of Stalkers and Collosus still standing.
I seriously didn't see how idra could win that game. He went head on with the opponent because he was maxed out already and could max out immediately after losing everything because of the crazy macro, which was what he did. And he still lost. Infestors from 1.3 may solve this heavy-armored problem army of Protoss though.
Still, idra totally won in macro. Imagine the frustration for him to ragequit even though his been trying to keep his manners in check since playing in the GSL :/
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On March 28 2011 03:37 keioh wrote: So every day of TSL will have its own shitstorm, that's great !
1st day : Boxer and his disconnection. 2nd day : well i dunno lol, I couldn't watch the games nor the thread 3rd day : LAGALAGALAGALAGAL 4th day : idra plays as usual and the imbashow is up !
I wonder what will be the next shitstorm ! Day 2... banelings.
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On March 28 2011 03:34 Tachion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 03:33 tirentu wrote: What do you do against that? It is impossible to win against that. phoenix/colossus would prob be unbeatable vs Terran too if Terran didn't learn to focus fire the colossus. You can't target the void rays.
no in this case this is just wrong. Just try targetting the colossi in a few games and see what happens. Because the voidrays just rape the corrupors and after that you will nearly always have stalker voidray vs pure roach
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On March 28 2011 03:35 norlock wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 28 2011 03:34 Mabius wrote: we all know idra lost this series, the fact that day 9 and dj wheat made a point to say that this isn't the new patch and that idra said he can win on both seems pretty defensive from their end. Also the fact that idra wrote last week after this game was presumably played that the justin tv invitational he played in was "more interesting" then day 1 of the tsl last week. Sucks to know results before they happen :/ Sucks to spoil us, Wtf. Stop the damn conspiracy theories, the casters DO NOT KNOW THE RESULTS. DJWheat made sure to say it was pre 1.3 so that people wouldn't be confused by infestor changes. This tournament is run by people who are professional enough to make sure the results will not be spoiled.
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Hate the game, not the player.
I stopped doing the VR/Colossus because I do think that it's fairly abusive and very difficult to stop. Yeah I think Idra is the better player and should win, but honestly if I were in Cruncher's position I would have done the same thing. Why get into a straight up fight with one of the best Zergs in the world?
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Look, if you have like 80 drones and the ability to max out way before Toss (which you always will) you should instead just camp out and scout scout before you make your units. Just stack up on larvae and if you see the toss continue with VR/Colo, just make frigging 30 corrupter and let roach/ling flood the few gateway units there are.
With the later tech you can transition easily into BLs. Issue has always been zerg maxing out on shit compositions. T_T
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enjoy the games, ffs
That's why people are complaining though, it's hard to enjoy games like this. They aren't very exciting.
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Gotta love all these arm chair quarterbacks,,,,,
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On March 28 2011 03:37 Slayth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 28 2011 03:36 tsuxiit wrote: Oh, I see. IdrA tweeted "what timing" because he lost the series. Fuck =/ . Lol, thanks for the spoiler.
He tweeted that several days ago.
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Idra had virtually 100 percent scouting and failed to react properly. If the VR/stalker/colo deathball is such an unbeatable play why dont we see every P do it in the GSL? Cause it isn't perfect and a good Z player knows how to prevent it and counter.
Idra had ZERO micro in the final battle and then remade lings. Yeah, really impressive decision making. If ur gonna lose ur army, get value for it (kill the colo). He threw it away in the least cost efficient manner. Cruncher keeps winning against good players and people still want to knock him. I just don't get it.
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On March 28 2011 03:36 Kfcnoob wrote: wow. like 1.3 even did anything to fix this matchup. Judging by the old observer UI, the game was played on the previous patch.
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Idra just kept his army in one ball and kept attacking the front.... Off course a protoss army is more cost-efficient, why trying to break it? You have to attack multiple places as zerg... And why continue to make corrupters when the deathball is more voidray heavy? Idra has incredible macro but his strategy in this game was really bad, just so passive...
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