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On April 24 2011 16:44 ct2299 wrote:
Interesting how not many people are here giving credit to MC for beating Kas, who was up until he lost to MC today, heralded as one of THE BEST foreign Terrans etc etc. Yet everyone is so happy bashing MC in his 2-3 loss to Thorzain.
Grats MC on this win, now please stop travelling so much and focus on GSL, it's better money anyways =).
MC played perfectly against Kas, yet the commentators weren't too sastisfied with Kas performance. Oh well, some of the games were still quite close!
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sry if asked in this thread before, but will Copenhagen release replay packs? thanks!
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On April 24 2011 18:12 nkwd wrote:
sry if asked in this thread before, but will Copenhagen release replay packs? thanks!
I think some of the admins sad there will be replays. But when and where, I don't know.
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On April 24 2011 18:18 Rasmussen wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:12 nkwd wrote:
sry if asked in this thread before, but will Copenhagen release replay packs? thanks! I think some of the admins sad there will be replays. But when and where, I don't know.
Thanks, I will just wait
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On April 24 2011 17:52 Rustug wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 17:07 jellyjello wrote:On April 24 2011 17:00 Qaatar wrote:On April 24 2011 16:44 ct2299 wrote:
Interesting how not many people are here giving credit to MC for beating Kas, who was up until he lost to MC today, heralded as one of THE BEST foreign Terrans etc etc. Yet everyone is so happy bashing MC in his 2-3 loss to Thorzain.
Grats MC on this win, now please stop travelling so much and focus on GSL, it's better money anyways =).
It's because most people expected MC to win both, and to beat Thorzain like he did against Kas. The fact that he lost to Thorzain is a bigger deal, since no one expected as such. I suppose no one also expected MC to 4-0 Kas, but I'm pretty sure most expected him to at least win a BO7. Edit: Also, this is a foreigner forum. There is obviously going to be bias (and rightfully so...no shame in rooting for fellow countrymen and such). One big difference is that Kas didn't have time to prepare against MC while Thorzain did have lots of time. Same goes for MC.
My point was that Thorzain was able to come up with a build and strategy, most likely tailored for each map, that he thought would work against MC, and it paid off. Can't say the same for MC who was participating in multiple tourneys. The fact that he got knocked out of the group stage in GSL should tell the story. But, ultimately MC has no one to blame but himself as he put himself in that predicament.
Thorzain won not because he was purely more talented and awesome than MC, but because he had sufficient time to beat him with his builds and overall strategy. Can't really say the same for MC who's had probably the busiest schedule of all SC2 gamers out there in a span of last few months. If Kas had the time to prepare against MC (while MC did not), then I'd bet that Kas would win.
Lastly, MC is no fool. He knows that it's only a matter of time until Bliz comes with more patches. I'm pretty sure that he knows he's going into the tourney blindly (ie, no time to prepare against each opponent) and is counting on his protoss power more so than some of you realize. He wants to rack up as much as tourney money as he can until the game gets more balanced, and that's just a smart move by him.
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On April 24 2011 18:48 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 17:52 Rustug wrote:On April 24 2011 17:07 jellyjello wrote:On April 24 2011 17:00 Qaatar wrote:On April 24 2011 16:44 ct2299 wrote:
Interesting how not many people are here giving credit to MC for beating Kas, who was up until he lost to MC today, heralded as one of THE BEST foreign Terrans etc etc. Yet everyone is so happy bashing MC in his 2-3 loss to Thorzain.
Grats MC on this win, now please stop travelling so much and focus on GSL, it's better money anyways =).
It's because most people expected MC to win both, and to beat Thorzain like he did against Kas. The fact that he lost to Thorzain is a bigger deal, since no one expected as such. I suppose no one also expected MC to 4-0 Kas, but I'm pretty sure most expected him to at least win a BO7. Edit: Also, this is a foreigner forum. There is obviously going to be bias (and rightfully so...no shame in rooting for fellow countrymen and such). One big difference is that Kas didn't have time to prepare against MC while Thorzain did have lots of time. Same goes for MC. My point was that Thorzain was able to come up with a build and strategy, most likely tailored for each map, that he thought would work against MC, and it paid off. Can't say the same for MC who was participating in multiple tourneys. The fact that he got knocked out of the group stage in GSL should tell the story. But, ultimately MC has no one to blame but himself as he put himself in that predicament. Thorzain won not because he was purely more talented and awesome than MC, but because he had sufficient time to beat him with his builds and overall strategy. Can't really say the same for MC who's had probably the busiest schedule of all SC2 gamers out there in a span of last few months. If Kas had the time to prepare against MC (while MC did not), then I'd bet that Kas would win. Lastly, MC is no fool. He knows that it's only a matter of time until Bliz comes with more patches. I'm pretty sure that he knows he's going into the tourney blindly (ie, no time to prepare against each opponent) and is counting on his protoss power more so than some of you realize. He wants to rack up as much as tourney money as he can until the game gets more balanced, and that's just a smart move by him.
are u implying that mc wins tournaments only becouse protoss is imbalanced?
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On April 24 2011 18:55 pycho wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:48 jellyjello wrote:On April 24 2011 17:52 Rustug wrote:On April 24 2011 17:07 jellyjello wrote:On April 24 2011 17:00 Qaatar wrote:On April 24 2011 16:44 ct2299 wrote:
Interesting how not many people are here giving credit to MC for beating Kas, who was up until he lost to MC today, heralded as one of THE BEST foreign Terrans etc etc. Yet everyone is so happy bashing MC in his 2-3 loss to Thorzain.
Grats MC on this win, now please stop travelling so much and focus on GSL, it's better money anyways =).
It's because most people expected MC to win both, and to beat Thorzain like he did against Kas. The fact that he lost to Thorzain is a bigger deal, since no one expected as such. I suppose no one also expected MC to 4-0 Kas, but I'm pretty sure most expected him to at least win a BO7. Edit: Also, this is a foreigner forum. There is obviously going to be bias (and rightfully so...no shame in rooting for fellow countrymen and such). One big difference is that Kas didn't have time to prepare against MC while Thorzain did have lots of time. Same goes for MC. My point was that Thorzain was able to come up with a build and strategy, most likely tailored for each map, that he thought would work against MC, and it paid off. Can't say the same for MC who was participating in multiple tourneys. The fact that he got knocked out of the group stage in GSL should tell the story. But, ultimately MC has no one to blame but himself as he put himself in that predicament. Thorzain won not because he was purely more talented and awesome than MC, but because he had sufficient time to beat him with his builds and overall strategy. Can't really say the same for MC who's had probably the busiest schedule of all SC2 gamers out there in a span of last few months. If Kas had the time to prepare against MC (while MC did not), then I'd bet that Kas would win. Lastly, MC is no fool. He knows that it's only a matter of time until Bliz comes with more patches. I'm pretty sure that he knows he's going into the tourney blindly (ie, no time to prepare against each opponent) and is counting on his protoss power more so than some of you realize. He wants to rack up as much as tourney money as he can until the game gets more balanced, and that's just a smart move by him. are u implying that mc wins tournaments only becouse protoss is imbalanced?
No, and I think you completely missed my point.
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really big thanks to khaldor and his hole team. It was a awesome event! thx
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On April 24 2011 18:48 jellyjello wrote:
Thorzain won not because he was purely more talented and awesome than MC, but because he had sufficient time to beat him with his builds and overall strategy. Can't really say the same for MC who's had probably the busiest schedule of all SC2 gamers out there in a span of last few months. If Kas had the time to prepare against MC (while MC did not), then I'd bet that Kas would win.
Did you even watch these games?
Thorzain just played better than MC straight up. His control was superp and his macro never slipped. The only build order loss in that series was MC's win on xel'naga.
In the Copenhagen games finals Kas clearly had some kind of meltdown and no amount of preparation would have helped him.
That's not to say you don't have a point about MC entering many tournaments and that it must affect his play, as he probably likes preparing to take very specifically calculated risks. Thorzain benefitted from preparation obviously, but you should mention that most of his preparation was towards getting MC into long standard games and taking him down in straight up fashion there, not to get some silly build order wins.
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Anywhere to watch the VODS or replays for Copenhagen sc2? I missed the finals T_T.
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My point was that Thorzain was able to come up with a build and strategy, most likely tailored for each map, that he thought would work against MC, and it paid off. Can't say the same for MC who was participating in multiple tourneys. The fact that he got knocked out of the group stage in GSL should tell the story. But, ultimately MC has no one to blame but himself as he put himself in that predicament.
I'm not trying to bash you or Thorzain but Thorzain did the same build every map except the last didn't he? The fast upgrade to 1-1 into double Ebay and go for superfast 2-2?
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will they release replays?? or vods??
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On April 24 2011 19:04 Roaches wrote:
In the Copenhagen games finals Kas clearly had some kind of meltdown and no amount of preparation would have helped him.
It definitely looked like that. I only saw the first two matches of the finals, and Kas' play didn't look anything like it did in earlier rounds, while MC's play remained solid. It was a long day for the gamers though, so I guess MC simply has greater stamina than Kas. Congratulations to MC
I believe Khaldor mentioned a replay pack would be out eventually, though it wasn't a priority. I expect VODs are available through own3d.tv somehow, but that site's navigation is a mystery to me.
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Just wanted to give a big shoutout to Joe, i had never seen him play before but he knocked out thewind and that series with MC was epic. WP! Hope to see more of him in the future.
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are u implying that mc wins tournaments only becouse protoss is imbalanced?
No, and I think you completely missed my point.
I don't know man, maybe you didn't intend it and I totally get your point about him not preparing as much but:
is counting on his protoss power more so than some of you realize.
kind of suggests that MC is getting by without preparing because he's protoss, and I wouldn't argue with that tbh.
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Thx all for a great tournament!
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Thorzain had 1 week to prepare many different builds against MC. MC has to play in copenhagen, gsl, NASL, AND TSL. I highly doubt MC prepared much against Thorzain, as in his interview he sounded very cocky and didnt even hear of thorzain's name.
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On April 24 2011 09:33 SETT TV wrote:Finnish eSports site called SETT.fi got a chance to interview CPH Games Razer Domination winner oGs MC. In video interview MC talks about the tournament, the finals and his future. He also sends his greetings to his Finnish StarCraft 2 fans. You can check the interview from SETT.fi.
Also added video from Prize ceremony.
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On April 24 2011 19:00 jellyjello wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2011 18:55 pycho wrote:On April 24 2011 18:48 jellyjello wrote:On April 24 2011 17:52 Rustug wrote:On April 24 2011 17:07 jellyjello wrote:On April 24 2011 17:00 Qaatar wrote:On April 24 2011 16:44 ct2299 wrote:
Interesting how not many people are here giving credit to MC for beating Kas, who was up until he lost to MC today, heralded as one of THE BEST foreign Terrans etc etc. Yet everyone is so happy bashing MC in his 2-3 loss to Thorzain.
Grats MC on this win, now please stop travelling so much and focus on GSL, it's better money anyways =).
It's because most people expected MC to win both, and to beat Thorzain like he did against Kas. The fact that he lost to Thorzain is a bigger deal, since no one expected as such. I suppose no one also expected MC to 4-0 Kas, but I'm pretty sure most expected him to at least win a BO7. Edit: Also, this is a foreigner forum. There is obviously going to be bias (and rightfully so...no shame in rooting for fellow countrymen and such). One big difference is that Kas didn't have time to prepare against MC while Thorzain did have lots of time. Same goes for MC. My point was that Thorzain was able to come up with a build and strategy, most likely tailored for each map, that he thought would work against MC, and it paid off. Can't say the same for MC who was participating in multiple tourneys. The fact that he got knocked out of the group stage in GSL should tell the story. But, ultimately MC has no one to blame but himself as he put himself in that predicament. Thorzain won not because he was purely more talented and awesome than MC, but because he had sufficient time to beat him with his builds and overall strategy. Can't really say the same for MC who's had probably the busiest schedule of all SC2 gamers out there in a span of last few months. If Kas had the time to prepare against MC (while MC did not), then I'd bet that Kas would win. Lastly, MC is no fool. He knows that it's only a matter of time until Bliz comes with more patches. I'm pretty sure that he knows he's going into the tourney blindly (ie, no time to prepare against each opponent) and is counting on his protoss power more so than some of you realize. He wants to rack up as much as tourney money as he can until the game gets more balanced, and that's just a smart move by him. are u implying that mc wins tournaments only becouse protoss is imbalanced? No, and I think you completely missed my point.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what you're implying in your final paragraph.
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Hmm i missed the finals between MC and Kas. Are there VODs for it?
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