EPTOn January 09 2011 11:02 Burpies wrote:
Give us a hint on what his next build will be? Please? <3
Give us a hint on what his next build will be? Please? <3
4 robo all in.
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FrostShadow
United States335 Posts
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MorroW
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i asked for the win because i felt i was far enough ahead to deserve a win at that point. im not gonna explain exactly what made me ahead that game but its how i felt so i asked them to watch the replay and discuss it and admin told me, "no you were not far ahead enough to give a win" so then i asked him he is just an admin do u understand the game really? so then we got into lobby and i asked the other guys and they thought the same way that i wasnt far ahead enough to be given a win for that. so then i asked fenix what thinks to watch the replay and he say he dont have replay cause he crashed. then i asked him if u agree on a win then we can give the win to me. i gave him the option to trust me as a player to player whether i deserved the win or not and he said no. then i said ok thats fine i understand and then we started the game. why is everyone always exadurating things so much over what happened. nobody got robbed or was bad mannered here guys... great event so far  too bad about the lag issues from europe to na thoofcourse i act professional and dont try to get myself easy wins by def win etc, just like i would never try to cheat or unplug my cable for a drop. im sure fenix wouldnt do this aswell man, hes a very nice guy. i was just telling in theory that you could unplug your cable anytime your slightly behind because the admins will want a regame. its just too late to unplug ur cable when ur very far behind because then they wont give a regame. i just think it would make more sense if players had an option to take the win if they wanted it rather than admins agreeing if its a regame or not because this system can be very abused but not only that the decision is made by admins who are very low level compared to progamers and dont see how a game really goes. when i ask for a win for the game and the admin directly goes 1 sec after to say its a regame makes me quite upset because i dont think hes taking me very serious. if a player asks for a regame they should all watch the replay and judge for real and then make a decision rather than assuming that the player just wants a def win just because he can. i often feel like im just assumed for the worst just like when rakaka wrote about me and sjow cheating which was just complete bullshit aswell, but they dont care they just want viewers on their site and stuff to write about | ||
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theOperator
United States1 Post
~41min KiWi blink/mothership game. Im getting terrible lag though. | ||
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FearGorm
United States112 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:28 MorroW wrote: hey lets not get like this guys just because of discs i asked for the win because i felt i was far enough ahead to deserve a win at that point. im not gonna explain exactly what made me ahead that game but its how i felt so i asked them to watch the replay and discuss it and admin told me, "no you were not far ahead enough to give a win" so then i asked him he is just an admin do u understand the game really? so then we got into lobby and i asked the other guys and they thought the same way that i wasnt far ahead enough to be given a win for that. so then i asked fenix what thinks to watch the replay and he say he dont have replay cause he crashed. then i asked him if u agree on a win then we can give the win to me. i gave him the option to trust me as a player to player whether i deserved the win or not and he said no. then i said ok thats fine i understand and then we started the game. why is everyone always exadurating things so much over what happened. nobody got robbed or was bad mannered here guys... great event so far too bad about the lag issues from europe to na thoofcourse i act professional and dont try to get myself easy wins by def win etc, just like i would never try to cheat or unplug my cable for a drop. im sure fenix wouldnt do this aswell man, hes a very nice guy. i was just telling in theory that you could unplug your cable anytime your slightly behind because the admins will want a regame. its just too late to unplug ur cable when ur very far behind because then they wont give a regame. i just think it would make more sense if players had an option to take the win if they wanted it rather than admins agreeing if its a regame or not because this system can be very abused but not only that the decision is made by admins who are very low level compared to progamers and dont see how a game really goes. when i ask for a win for the game and the admin directly goes 1 sec after to say its a regame makes me quite upset because i dont think hes taking me very serious. if a player asks for a regame they should all watch the replay and judge for real and then make a decision rather than assuming that the player just wants a def win just because he can. i often feel like im just assumed for the worst just like when rakaka wrote about me and sjow cheating which was just complete bullshit aswell, but they dont care they just want viewers on their site and stuff to write about Just to be clear, I also asked Fenix for his opinion, because I understand that as a person who does not play professionally I don't have the same level of insight that pro players do. Regardless, thanks for playing MorroW, see you tomorrow and good luck! | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13400 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:28 MorroW wrote: hey lets not get like this guys just because of discs i asked for the win because i felt i was far enough ahead to deserve a win at that point. im not gonna explain exactly what made me ahead that game but its how i felt so i asked them to watch the replay and discuss it and admin told me, "no you were not far ahead enough to give a win" so then i asked him he is just an admin do u understand the game really? so then we got into lobby and i asked the other guys and they thought the same way that i wasnt far ahead enough to be given a win for that. so then i asked fenix what thinks to watch the replay and he say he dont have replay cause he crashed. then i asked him if u agree on a win then we can give the win to me. i gave him the option to trust me as a player to player whether i deserved the win or not and he said no. then i said ok thats fine i understand and then we started the game. why is everyone always exadurating things so much over what happened. nobody got robbed or was bad mannered here guys... great event so far too bad about the lag issues from europe to na thoofcourse i act professional and dont try to get myself easy wins by def win etc, just like i would never try to cheat or unplug my cable for a drop. im sure fenix wouldnt do this aswell man, hes a very nice guy. i was just telling in theory that you could unplug your cable anytime your slightly behind because the admins will want a regame. its just too late to unplug ur cable when ur very far behind because then they wont give a regame. i just think it would make more sense if players had an option to take the win if they wanted it rather than admins agreeing if its a regame or not because this system can be very abused but not only that the decision is made by admins who are very low level compared to progamers and dont see how a game really goes. when i ask for a win for the game and the admin directly goes 1 sec after to say its a regame makes me quite upset because i dont think hes taking me very serious. if a player asks for a regame they should all watch the replay and judge for real and then make a decision rather than assuming that the player just wants a def win just because he can. i often feel like im just assumed for the worst just like when rakaka wrote about me and sjow cheating which was just complete bullshit aswell, but they dont care they just want viewers on their site and stuff to write about That was completely reasonable I for one agree that there should be something in place to deal with the potential for disconnects to be abused but at the same time due to the nature of battle net 2.0 this becomes difficult to come up with a proper response to deal with it. Perhaps a first disconnect is Re-game and 2nd game (same player disconnect) then it goes to arbitration by 2 or 3 other tournament players who are neutral to decide who should take the win based on how far ahead one player is over another. Battle net 2.0 instability and online tournaments create issues though :S | ||
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eu.xen
Germany352 Posts
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FrostShadow
United States335 Posts
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pookums
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:28 MorroW wrote: hey lets not get like this guys just because of discs i asked for the win because i felt i was far enough ahead to deserve a win at that point. im not gonna explain exactly what made me ahead that game but its how i felt so i asked them to watch the replay and discuss it and admin told me, "no you were not far ahead enough to give a win" so then i asked him he is just an admin do u understand the game really? so then we got into lobby and i asked the other guys and they thought the same way that i wasnt far ahead enough to be given a win for that. so then i asked fenix what thinks to watch the replay and he say he dont have replay cause he crashed. then i asked him if u agree on a win then we can give the win to me. i gave him the option to trust me as a player to player whether i deserved the win or not and he said no. then i said ok thats fine i understand and then we started the game. why is everyone always exadurating things so much over what happened. nobody got robbed or was bad mannered here guys... great event so far too bad about the lag issues from europe to na thoofcourse i act professional and dont try to get myself easy wins by def win etc, just like i would never try to cheat or unplug my cable for a drop. im sure fenix wouldnt do this aswell man, hes a very nice guy. i was just telling in theory that you could unplug your cable anytime your slightly behind because the admins will want a regame. its just too late to unplug ur cable when ur very far behind because then they wont give a regame. i just think it would make more sense if players had an option to take the win if they wanted it rather than admins agreeing if its a regame or not because this system can be very abused but not only that the decision is made by admins who are very low level compared to progamers and dont see how a game really goes. when i ask for a win for the game and the admin directly goes 1 sec after to say its a regame makes me quite upset because i dont think hes taking me very serious. if a player asks for a regame they should all watch the replay and judge for real and then make a decision rather than assuming that the player just wants a def win just because he can. i often feel like im just assumed for the worst just like when rakaka wrote about me and sjow cheating which was just complete bullshit aswell, but they dont care they just want viewers on their site and stuff to write about Well thanks for sharing your thoughts Morrow. I do get where you're coming from and yeah the system is very open to abuse. However as professional gamers, i guess you just have to trust each other not to be low enough to do something like that. I mean if the guy has a track record of DC'ing right when the game turns against him, suspicion would be justified. As you said though, Fenix is a very nice guy and i doubt he'll pull something like that. As for making it so that a player can just take a win, it will just create more controversy. I remember something like that happening in the Minerva Invictus tournament way back when lastshadow and silver were duking it out in the semis. Lastshadow dc'd in one game and silver agreed to regame. However when silver lagged out the next game, lastshadow just took the win. As you can understand, this created a huge uproar which resulted in the tournament runners reversing the decision and asking for a regame. I do get your concern about maybe the referees not having enough understanding of the game to know exactly how far ahead one player is over the other but i guess that just comes down to trust as well. You as a progamer have agreed to their rules and conditions when you signed up and that means trusting their decisions as well. In tonight's case, it seemed like the majority of the observers including fellow progamers like incontrol didn't see a decisive advantage for you and therefore could not award a win. I'm sure you've seen and played in crazy games where you were on the brink of defeat only to somehow comeback and take it. The rule was set up to take that into account. Anyways, good luck in the future! | ||
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ROOTCatZ
Peru1226 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
Props to Diggity and iNcontrol for some excellent casting, and props to all the players from some well-played, entertaining games. I'm quite excited for tomorrow. The brackets should look absolutely sick, and the caster lineup is going to be quite epic. | ||
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TaKemE
Denmark1045 Posts
On January 09 2011 10:38 Burpies wrote: I think kiwi just won the $100 for best game IMO! Nah it was by far the best move but not the best game imo | ||
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uSnAmplified
United States1029 Posts
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nigritude
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On January 09 2011 13:29 nigritude wrote: anyone else notice the +3 shields upgrade in the kiwi mothership machine game? never really seen anyone upgrade shields before. is it because of the mothership? yes the mothership but also for the stalkers, he knew he would be running around the 3 bases with them while taking damage from some of zerg's units, and therefore have a little time to regenerate some of that shield when running around and blinking everywhere. Such a well thought-out and executed strat by him. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
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Kogut
United States147 Posts
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cazter
United States31 Posts
On January 09 2011 14:03 Kogut wrote: Let's hope that the second day is better than the first. The casters for the second day will hopefully allow the SCRI team to understand why there were complaints about Diggity. Also, let's hope the lag, stream issues, sound issues, in-game settings, 6 observers, etc. are all taken care of for the second day. Were working as hard as possible to make this event everything it can be. And our efforts aren't made in the name of profit or any other form of personal gain. But instead to grow eSport's and the communities that surround eSport's. Criticism can be helpful when it's well thought out and accompanied by suggestions for improvement. Instead you offer only broad stroke complaints and there really not welcome. Please, take some time and elaborate and follow that with suggestions. If you really want to see changes then hop on IRC and message one of us staff members. What were the complaints about Diggity? Suggestions for him to improve in the future? As the lead producer for this event and a few others I can tell you that streaming is a beast of an issue. I think of it as a constant attempt to build a house using only a screw driver. Sure, things come together, in a way, but it's not quite as nice or stable as you hoped. Basically, the tools for high production quality and HD streaming don't really exist outside the commercial arena. I can either put up an HD stream with zero production ability or 720P stream with scaling issues that offers me a lot of production ability. We decided to go with the latter... but only after a lot of heavy debate. You have no idea how much I wish the tools existed to bring you both HD and production. Talk to me in 6 months though and I believe they will. | ||
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phrame_
United States23 Posts
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kirbynator
Canada503 Posts
On January 09 2011 11:35 FearGorm wrote: Just to be clear, I also asked Fenix for his opinion, because I understand that as a person who does not play professionally I don't have the same level of insight that pro players do. Regardless, thanks for playing MorroW, see you tomorrow and good luck! You think asking his opponent will get you an unbiased opinion? :/ | ||
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