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On December 23 2010 10:40 Tritonus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 10:02 bejurne wrote: I cant believe how you hate them so much, but still watched the whole tourney... The thing is, you really wanna watch the tournament because it's players that you like and that will probably result is some good games, but when you're forced to mute because the casters are truly horrid, it really takes a lot away from the fun factor. If they wanna arrange tournaments, great, I applaud thee, but they're really getting in the way of their own success when they don't arrange for decent casting. It's their own fault, and people are allowed to complain and tell them what they might want to improve on the next time they arrange a tournament.
Ok, just to clarify on this - I'm being so hard on HomerJ because, as far as my latest knowledge goes, he dropped out of work to dedicate his whole time on SC2.
While this isn't something bad in itself, it's hugely disappointing how you can have so little knowledge about the game and be so unprofessional in general if basicly everything you do is do stuff related to SC2. It's not like he studies like eg. day9 either....he isn't somebody who "sacrifices time" for the community, since SC2 is basicly all he does right now. And in this case, I think, I as a viewer have somewhat of a right to be more critical as opposed to others who manage to squeeze in 1-2 hours a day after they get home from work.
Long forum thread in German about this whole thing:
http://starcraft2.ingame.de/forum/showthread.php?t=199469
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To summarize the critisism on instarcraft:
There are a lot more fanboys and haters of Homerj than you would suspect. It seems like there are many people watching his stream despite realy hating him. Sleepingdog provided here some nice examples, complaining about homerj the whole thread and still watching the stream.
And in this case, I think, I as a viewer have somewhat of a right to be more critical as opposed to others who manage to squeeze in 1-2 hours a day after they get home from work.
you posted:
EDIT: HomerJ dissing day9 because he actually has no idea how the game works --> brb, just have to throw up
Care to explain how HomerJ dissed day9?
As far as i can remember: Homerj: Upgrades (->stim) are great Random IRC comment: day9 says " built upgrades right before you need them" Homerj: So says day9. I say they are allways nice to have.
Obviously a terrible diss that made you throw up :D .
Basicly the problem with HomerJ is.. Lot's of people watch him despite not liking his castings at all. If you don't like it, don't watch it. HomerJ is not day9. Homerj doesn't want to be like day9. He wants to entertain. Either you like it or you don't.
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Congrats to Kas, my laptop died so I called it a night before the finals
Thanks to HomerJ for putting on what was in general an absolutely awesome tournament, so many great series, very much an early christmas present!
Also thanks to ReQ and his co-caster who's name embarrassingly escapes me right this moment for the English cast, nice to have someone step up at short notice and cater for other parts of the community
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On December 23 2010 18:38 Syreon wrote:To summarize the critisism on instarcraft: There are a lot more fanboys and haters of Homerj than you would suspect. It seems like there are many people watching his stream despite realy hating him. Sleepingdog provided here some nice examples, complaining about homerj the whole thread and still watching the stream. Show nested quote + And in this case, I think, I as a viewer have somewhat of a right to be more critical as opposed to others who manage to squeeze in 1-2 hours a day after they get home from work.
you posted: Show nested quote + EDIT: HomerJ dissing day9 because he actually has no idea how the game works --> brb, just have to throw up
Care to explain how HomerJ dissed day9? As far as i can remember: Homerj: Upgrades (->stim) are great Random IRC comment: day9 says " built upgrades right before you need them" Homerj: So says day9. I say they are allways nice to have. Obviously a terrible diss that made you throw up :D . Basicly the problem with HomerJ is.. Lot's of people watch him despite not liking his castings at all. If you don't like it, don't watch it. HomerJ is not day9. Homerj doesn't want to be like day9. He wants to entertain. Either you like it or you don't.
What made me indeed throw up (thankfully not in the literal way) wasn't the fact that HomerJ fails to realize what day9 means - this wouldn't be so bad, if he didn't add the "So says day9. I say they are always nice to have". If he wants "just" to entertain, then he shouldn't say stuff like this, not only is it wrong and shows his terrible game-knowledge, but also plain arrogant. He should respect those that actually "do" have a very good idea about how this game works and ideally try to learn from them.
The only reason why I watch(ed) HomerJ is because the english stream was lagging too badly for me. Btw. this crap about "if you don't like it don't watch it" is also something that can be read quite often in the German forums....maybe get used to the fact that this is a FORUM where basicly everything people do is express their opinions and discuss stuff? To stress my point: I don't tell you "if you don't like my opinion about HomerJ's casting, don't read it or don't reply to it" because this would be condescending. The only thing that is questionable is, if the quality of caster's could/should be discussed in LR-threads...but then again I don't think this forum needs (another) thread about "caster xyz is bad".
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Were the last games played last night or were they postponed?
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On December 23 2010 19:10 sleepingdog wrote: What made me indeed throw up (thankfully not in the literal way) wasn't the fact that HomerJ fails to realize what day9 means - this wouldn't be so bad, if he didn't add the "So says day9. I say they are always nice to have". If he wants "just" to entertain, then he shouldn't say stuff like this, not only is it wrong and shows his terrible game-knowledge, but also plain arrogant. He should respect those that actually "do" have a very good idea about how this game works and ideally try to learn from them.
It may be wrong. It may be arrogant. It may be entertaining or not. But it wasn't a diss like you stated it.
On December 23 2010 19:10 sleepingdog wrote: The only thing that is questionable is, if the quality of caster's could/should be discussed in LR-threads...but then again I don't think this forum needs (another) thread about "caster xyz is bad". Then why did you start the discussion in the first place. You did complain. You did explain yourself. You did even link another discussion.
On December 23 2010 19:10 sleepingdog wrote: The only reason why I watch(ed) HomerJ is because the english stream was lagging too badly for me. Btw. this crap about "if you don't like it don't watch it" is also something that can be read quite often in the German forums....maybe get used to the fact that this is a FORUM where basicly everything people do is express their opinions and discuss stuff? To stress my point: I don't tell you "if you don't like my opinion about HomerJ's casting, don't read it or don't reply to it" because this would be condescending.
You do realize that you can MUTE the stream, the casters? You do not have to listen. You listen because you CHOOSE to listen. Obviously you can discuss and express your opinion in a forum up to a certain degree. However the basic problem still persists: Why do you watch (listen to) it when you don't like it. I don't get it.
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watching a stream without ingamesound sux pretty bad but i have to mute homerj all the time cause he is just a bad caster
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Didn't get to see the grand final, who won?
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On December 23 2010 19:46 blae000 wrote: Didn't get to see the grand final, who won? kas won 4-1
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On December 23 2010 09:30 butchji wrote: The other guy next to HomerJ is the weirdest/lamest/most boring/annoying "caster" I've seen yet though.
Thats may be so because he isn't a caster at all. Its restless Cyres who programmed the whole Forum of homerj.de in 36 hours without sleeping or stuff. He is a programmer and to be hornest, a really good one. He was just sitting there to see the games live.^^
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On December 23 2010 19:10 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 18:38 Syreon wrote:To summarize the critisism on instarcraft: There are a lot more fanboys and haters of Homerj than you would suspect. It seems like there are many people watching his stream despite realy hating him. Sleepingdog provided here some nice examples, complaining about homerj the whole thread and still watching the stream. And in this case, I think, I as a viewer have somewhat of a right to be more critical as opposed to others who manage to squeeze in 1-2 hours a day after they get home from work.
you posted: EDIT: HomerJ dissing day9 because he actually has no idea how the game works --> brb, just have to throw up
Care to explain how HomerJ dissed day9? As far as i can remember: Homerj: Upgrades (->stim) are great Random IRC comment: day9 says " built upgrades right before you need them" Homerj: So says day9. I say they are allways nice to have. Obviously a terrible diss that made you throw up :D . Basicly the problem with HomerJ is.. Lot's of people watch him despite not liking his castings at all. If you don't like it, don't watch it. HomerJ is not day9. Homerj doesn't want to be like day9. He wants to entertain. Either you like it or you don't. What made me indeed throw up (thankfully not in the literal way) wasn't the fact that HomerJ fails to realize what day9 means - this wouldn't be so bad, if he didn't add the "So says day9. I say they are always nice to have". If he wants "just" to entertain, then he shouldn't say stuff like this, not only is it wrong and shows his terrible game-knowledge, but also plain arrogant. He should respect those that actually "do" have a very good idea about how this game works and ideally try to learn from them. The only reason why I watch(ed) HomerJ is because the english stream was lagging too badly for me. Btw. this crap about "if you don't like it don't watch it" is also something that can be read quite often in the German forums....maybe get used to the fact that this is a FORUM where basicly everything people do is express their opinions and discuss stuff? To stress my point: I don't tell you "if you don't like my opinion about HomerJ's casting, don't read it or don't reply to it" because this would be condescending. The only thing that is questionable is, if the quality of caster's could/should be discussed in LR-threads...but then again I don't think this forum needs (another) thread about "caster xyz is bad". u be tripping dog. Day puts a lot of effort into stuff that nobody else says. Unfortunately that results in the stuff he says being not right nor wrong but simply irrelevant. Like his point about "no counters" or making upgrades right before you need them. And you know there is just a line between being a fanboy and coming over to threads dedicated to other casters and bashing them.
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thxalot homer+cyres for providing some top-notch sc2 action! just ignore sleepingbrain and weakstomach and keep up ur excellent work!
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Almisael
Austria235 Posts
On December 23 2010 11:51 7mk wrote: are replays gonna be released?
seems like they won't get released. i talked to admins and they said it's the responsibility of the players to upload them. if they don't do it there won't be any replays. the only chance is to hope that the replays from games which were casted by homerj will be uploaded here: http://www.homerj.de/index.php?show=replays
but as you can see here:
HomerJ XMAS Cup By Sennheiser 2010 Quali-Cup Nr.1 (17) Quali-Cup Nr.2 (19) Quali-Cup Nr.5 (22)
there were no replays uploaded from cup 3 and 4.
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replays?
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On December 23 2010 21:37 derppp wrote: replays?
are you serious?
Thx Almisael
About HomerJ's casting wow I didnt know he did this full time now. Anyways, sleepingdog is overreacting a bit. But he's right in the sense that, if you're a caster that wants to just entertain and not get into strategical analysis - that's perfectly fine. But then dont be like "oh white-ra he should just do this and that instead", criticizing the players whenever they lose a game, without even truely understanding what the actual reason was they lost. That being said he has a very good voice for casting, if he a) plays the game properly and learns it or b) focuses on pure entertainment without putting down the players for their mistakes all the time then he's gonna be a good caster.
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yes im serious, whats so hard to belive in it ?
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On December 23 2010 22:03 derppp wrote: yes im serious, whats so hard to belive in it ? post above yours
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so what about those replays :D ?
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My problem with HomerJ is: He has a very superficial understanding of the game. He can describe what he sees, but he has no clue about the mindgame, decisionmaking and so on. For trying to be rather funny than analytical he has a very low level of humor. Might be fun for Teenies or people with low education, but not for me. It is true that his voice is actually good for casting, but that is of no use as he doesn't have any interesting to say. I really hope that he won't have too much success and becomes something like the voice of e-sports in the german speaking world. But unfortunatelly there is no german speaking caster who has the abilities to make the game interesting for people who are no nerds. Day9 surely is the best caster when it comes to explaining the game to someone who doesn't know it and making people understanding the fun and meaning of e-sports, who usually don't consider watching something like that.
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On December 23 2010 22:36 mdma-_- wrote:Show nested quote +On December 23 2010 22:03 derppp wrote: yes im serious, whats so hard to belive in it ? post above yours ahaha sorry for that, apparently im blind :D
/e still cant find yesterday games in there Oo
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