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Lennon
Profile Joined February 2010
United Kingdom2275 Posts
December 04 2010 22:10 GMT
#721
The games tomorrow should be much less one-sided.
ch0c0b0fr34k
Profile Joined October 2010
United States452 Posts
December 04 2010 22:10 GMT
#722
Aw, TT1 didn't 4-gate at all......gg
Pew pew!
vilg
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark413 Posts
December 04 2010 22:12 GMT
#723
On November 15 2010 06:07 TT1 wrote:
should be ez for na


quoted for inaccuracy.

machine vs the ra was a really good series. tt1 looked lost.
ch0c0b0fr34k
Profile Joined October 2010
United States452 Posts
December 04 2010 22:13 GMT
#724
On December 05 2010 07:12 vilg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2010 06:07 TT1 wrote:
should be ez for na


quoted for inaccuracy.

machine vs the ra was a really good series. tt1 looked lost.


lol did he really say this....
Pew pew!
bananafever
Profile Joined August 2010
Austria348 Posts
December 04 2010 22:13 GMT
#725
i predict europe winning this hardcore .. 8:3 imo :D
Scrubwave
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland1786 Posts
December 04 2010 22:15 GMT
#726
--- Nuked ---
vgnftw
Profile Joined October 2010
Poland33 Posts
December 04 2010 22:17 GMT
#727
Wow, the second match was painful to watch even tho im EU. Sjow rotflstomped TT1 BADLY.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
December 04 2010 22:18 GMT
#728
Wow, this went a lot better than I imagined it would. =P

Good job Euro guys.
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
December 04 2010 22:19 GMT
#729
Sjow is the ultimate example of a player who, at least to my eyes, shouldn't be good but is.

He has like 80 apm, sloppy macro, doesn't scout and is mechanically weak in general yet he's somehow one of the best players outside of Korea, I honestly don't get it.
Happyhippo
Profile Joined October 2010
Norway17 Posts
December 04 2010 22:20 GMT
#730
Today was kinda unfair as I honestly think both White-Ra and SjoW are much better than their opponents, but a lot could have happened, of couse. Luckily it didn`t. Tomorrow is going to be interesting, though, I haven`t watched many games from Tarson, so I`m not sure what to expect. He`s impressed me whenever I`ve seen him, but the Kiwi is evil

I honestly can`t see how Dimaga is going to take Fenix, unfortunately, so I`m rooting for Tarson to keep it 3-1 after day 2.
zomgad
Profile Joined October 2010
185 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 22:25:34
December 04 2010 22:21 GMT
#731
On December 05 2010 07:19 cuppatea wrote:
Sjow is the ultimate example of a player who, at least to my eyes, shouldn't be good but is.

He has like 80 apm, sloppy macro, doesn't scout and is mechanically weak in general yet he's somehow one of the best players outside of Korea, I honestly don't get it.



more like ~100 apm, good macro and decent micro, the most important is his game sense and decision making which is outstanding and basically wins him the games
(also dont forget about solid, very safe unusual build orders which often confuse his opponents)
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
December 04 2010 22:22 GMT
#732
On December 05 2010 07:19 cuppatea wrote:
Sjow is the ultimate example of a player who, at least to my eyes, shouldn't be good but is.

He has like 80 apm, sloppy macro, doesn't scout and is mechanically weak in general yet he's somehow one of the best players outside of Korea, I honestly don't get it.

Its the thing generally described as "decision making".
Just look at how he defended that colossus push.
Off-season = best season
Tyree
Profile Joined November 2010
1508 Posts
December 04 2010 22:25 GMT
#733
On December 05 2010 07:22 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 07:19 cuppatea wrote:
Sjow is the ultimate example of a player who, at least to my eyes, shouldn't be good but is.

He has like 80 apm, sloppy macro, doesn't scout and is mechanically weak in general yet he's somehow one of the best players outside of Korea, I honestly don't get it.

Its the thing generally described as "decision making".
Just look at how he defended that colossus push.



This

SC2 is not a competition who can play most like the perfect A.I, basic decision making and battle sense will win you far more games than being mechanical

SjoW knows what to do, how to do it and when to stop doing it, whereas other players who click around to increase their APM have no clue what to do once something dosent go their way
★ Top Gun ★
SmoKim
Profile Joined March 2010
Denmark10305 Posts
December 04 2010 22:35 GMT
#734
White-Ra vs Machine was as i exspected, very equal series, were both could have won

TT1 vs Sjow was dissapointing, i know Sjow is really good, but TT1 can play SO much better than what he did there, maybe he had and off day who knows
"LOL I have 202 supply right now (3 minutes later)..."LOL NOW I HAVE 220 SUPPLY SUP?!?!?" - Mondragon
Tevinhead
Profile Joined August 2010
United Kingdom470 Posts
December 04 2010 22:36 GMT
#735
Is there a reason the games aren't casted live?
HeroHenry
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1723 Posts
December 04 2010 22:40 GMT
#736
They cast the replays.
rift
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
1819 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-12-04 22:53:10
December 04 2010 22:51 GMT
#737
SjoW has monster ELO :O
Ciubhran
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden98 Posts
December 04 2010 22:54 GMT
#738
On December 05 2010 04:27 Ciubhran wrote:
SjoW 3-1.
WhiteRa 3-2.


I wasnt that far off...
Endorsed
Profile Joined May 2010
Netherlands1221 Posts
December 04 2010 22:55 GMT
#739
On December 05 2010 07:19 cuppatea wrote:
Sjow is the ultimate example of a player who, at least to my eyes, shouldn't be good but is.

He has like 80 apm, sloppy macro, doesn't scout and is mechanically weak in general yet he's somehow one of the best players outside of Korea, I honestly don't get it.


He doesn't scout early because he knows there is nothing to be seen except for cheese really. Did you miss the scouting with the helion every game? Also 80 APM is fine if it's 80 EAPM. Most players have like 150 APM wich only 80/100 is usefull. With one mouse click sjow just accomplishes what some players do with 10. His macro isn't sloppy at all..
cuppatea
Profile Joined April 2010
United Kingdom1401 Posts
December 04 2010 22:59 GMT
#740
On December 05 2010 07:25 Tyree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2010 07:22 Redox wrote:
On December 05 2010 07:19 cuppatea wrote:
Sjow is the ultimate example of a player who, at least to my eyes, shouldn't be good but is.

He has like 80 apm, sloppy macro, doesn't scout and is mechanically weak in general yet he's somehow one of the best players outside of Korea, I honestly don't get it.

Its the thing generally described as "decision making".
Just look at how he defended that colossus push.



This

SC2 is not a competition who can play most like the perfect A.I, basic decision making and battle sense will win you far more games than being mechanical

SjoW knows what to do, how to do it and when to stop doing it, whereas other players who click around to increase their APM have no clue what to do once something dosent go their way


Yes but at the highest level you would think both good decision making and a high level of mechanical skill would be prerequisites for success but Sjow seems to get by with mostly the former.
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