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SKtheAnathema
Profile Joined September 2010
United States885 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 20:53:23
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3881
extended series is retarded because without it, grand finals is still fair to the WB winner. instead of being up 2-0 in a Bo4 or whatever in grand finals, he has to lose two BoX (one lost set "putting him into LB"), while only having to win one BoX. that's how standard non-idiotic double elim tourneys are run at least.
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3882
On November 08 2010 05:49 happyness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 05:44 Risen wrote:
On November 08 2010 05:43 happyness wrote:
On November 08 2010 05:41 7mk wrote:
I gotta say, starting off 0-2 is ridiculous, especially given the controversial way in which painuser beat nony.

oh well, GG, 4th place is still nice


I think nony is in favor of the winner of the WB getting an advantage. That's what he said in one of the SotG's


Yeah... the winner of the WB... which Painuser is not.


Sorry I wasnt clear. He's also in favor if two players played in the WB and face off again in the LB, the player who won in the WB should have an advantage.

Though I feel like the first game MLG botched very well could have thrown nony off his mental game and was RIDONCULOUS


Then you should have said that. Nony said he was in favor of the winner of the WB having an advantage because that's how ALL double elim tournaments work. You took what Tyler said out of context and tried to apply it to your own viewpoint.

Tyler, and most people who have used or watched double elim tournaments throughout the years, know that the winner of the WB should have an adv b/c it's double elim and so in the grand finals if there is an undefeated player, that person needs to lose two series to be eliminated.

MLG's system uses the, "oh we're going to give people random advantages that make no sense camp so instead of a double elim tournament we're going to have a TRIPLE ELIM tournament"

That is why people are upset. MLGs rules bastardized a perfectly fine double elim tournament setup and turned it into a double elim/triple elim hybrid.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
papercoop
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom107 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3883
i hope the replay of tyler v pu last game is out.. i wanna know what he said at the end
dont quote me on that
Huko
Profile Joined April 2010
United States324 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3884
On November 08 2010 05:51 AzurewinD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 05:47 SiguR wrote:
Just so you guys know, in the podcast after a previous MLG, I'm pretty sure Tyler supported the extended series rule and cited getting screwed over by it in the other direction during Brood War. The regame in the winner's bracket was stupid, but the extended series isn't as stupid as a lot of you make it out to be.



He was speaking from being in the WB facing Tasteless from the LB. I believe. In this case, both him and PU are in the LB. Thus the situation is quite a bit different.

So extended series is ok in WB but not in LB? There is no difference.
aLt)nirvana
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
Singapore846 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 20:54:26
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3885
anyone using XLBet? man the odds are out for like 1 min before they expire

painuser ftw coz of those sick odds. gogo pain!
sc2sea.com - The SEA / ANZ community
skurj
Profile Joined September 2010
United States87 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3886
Man, octoshape sucks on Mac. Must be the Jobs/Java feud.
I'd rather be zerg rushing
ComTrav
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1093 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3887
On November 08 2010 05:51 Sapphire.lux wrote:
What is it will all the TvT hate? All units can be used and positional play is crucial. I think ZvZ is much, much worse.


I think people just don't like mirror matches. (I personally think PvP is the worst.)

I would go so far as to say there's more diversity in TvT then TvP.
Gudeldar
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1200 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3888
I hope TT1 wins just because PU should have already been eliminated.
Malhorn
Profile Joined October 2010
United States148 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3889
Considering all of the competitors, who expected to see TT1, Pain-User, or Jinro in the top 3? Very good players, but didn't expect them to make it that far! Pulling for Jinro though
Now playing: Random 8)
Firereaver
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
India1701 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3890
On November 08 2010 05:51 Roggay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 05:49 suejak wrote:
PU is least-deserving because he was beaten by Tyler in two Bo3s at this tourney. However, Tyler was robbed of one game by MLG officials yesterday. This time, he won the Bo3 but had to win 4 games to take the series.

PU is good. But he benefitted from every MLG fuck-up here.


Its unfair to him too, because he will never have the credit he deserves for taking out Tyler.

He has my credit. Dunno bout you... Stop being a drama-queen please.
"They drone drone drone , me win" - JangMinChul(Iron/oGsMC)
Tuke
Profile Joined January 2009
Finland1666 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3891
On November 08 2010 05:49 Indel wrote:
Jesus, the double standard on this forum is pretty astounding.

Please, don't judge the whole TL.net based on the comments in live report thread.
TeamLiquid CJ Entusman #42
raidmaster
Profile Joined July 2010
474 Posts
November 07 2010 20:53 GMT
#3892
On November 08 2010 05:53 papercoop wrote:
i hope the replay of tyler v pu last game is out.. i wanna know what he said at the end


I'm not sure if he sent that.
pHelix Equilibria
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1134 Posts
November 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#3893
On November 08 2010 05:53 skurj wrote:
Man, octoshape sucks on Mac. Must be the Jobs/Java feud.


Works fine for me. Try a restart, I had to do that after installing.
OTIX
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden491 Posts
November 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#3894
On November 08 2010 05:51 AzurewinD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 05:47 SiguR wrote:
Just so you guys know, in the podcast after a previous MLG, I'm pretty sure Tyler supported the extended series rule and cited getting screwed over by it in the other direction during Brood War. The regame in the winner's bracket was stupid, but the extended series isn't as stupid as a lot of you make it out to be.



He was speaking from being in the WB facing Tasteless from the LB. I believe. In this case, both he(Tyler) and PU were in the LB. Thus the situation is quite a bit different.

No, he was talking about exactly this kind of situation.
Stenstyren
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden619 Posts
November 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#3895
Well, 30 mins pause, brb sandwiches
Iodem
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1173 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-11-07 20:54:32
November 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#3896
Wait, is this LB finals or the grand final?

Edit: nevermind, just realized that Jinro would be in it if this were the finals.
If you don't like it, you can quit.
vyyye
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden3917 Posts
November 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#3897
On November 08 2010 05:52 ohreallynow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 05:50 Kazang wrote:
Morons complaining about the extended series don't know what they are talking about.

Painuser won 4 games, Tyler won 2, he played better, he won. That is how it works, not what order the wins come in, you have to beat a player cleanly with more games won.
Crazy that you have to win more games of starcraft to advance isn't it? Such a utterly strange concept.....




Kazang guess who else is a moron? Yes, you guess right YOU ARE. Nony got robbed of a game he clearly won. I guess you don't RTS games so I apologize you don't realize how important winning the FIRST game is.

Do you have some rule forcing you to insult at least one person in every post you make?
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
November 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#3898
On November 08 2010 05:53 Huko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 08 2010 05:51 AzurewinD wrote:
On November 08 2010 05:47 SiguR wrote:
Just so you guys know, in the podcast after a previous MLG, I'm pretty sure Tyler supported the extended series rule and cited getting screwed over by it in the other direction during Brood War. The regame in the winner's bracket was stupid, but the extended series isn't as stupid as a lot of you make it out to be.



He was speaking from being in the WB facing Tasteless from the LB. I believe. In this case, both him and PU are in the LB. Thus the situation is quite a bit different.

So extended series is ok in WB but not in LB? There is no difference.


Except that in the WB the winner HASN'T lost yet and in the LB the person has ALREADY LOST. How do you people not see this fundamental difference? I can't be that much smarter than you...
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#3899
On November 08 2010 05:50 Kazang wrote:
Morons complaining about the extended series don't know what they are talking about.

Painuser won 4 games, Tyler won 2, he played better, he won. That is how it works, not what order the wins come in, you have to beat a player cleanly with more games won.
Crazy that you have to win more games of starcraft to advance isn't it? Such a utterly strange concept.....


Look at it another way. Painuser can win more games than anyone else(That doesn't have same extended series) merely because he was lucky enough to draw Nony again. How is it fair that he gets to lose more games than Nony or any other player?

Double elim has been around for ages. It works because everyone has a fair chance. Everyone has to lose the same amount to be knocked out. Extended series means some players can lose more than others. THAT IS NOT FAIR
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
November 07 2010 20:54 GMT
#3900
On November 08 2010 05:52 nam nam wrote:
Can we just focus on the games? Nothing is going to change for this tournament. Take it up with MLG after the tournament is done.

The problem is nothing is going to change next tournament that makes people frustrated. =(
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