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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
On October 31 2010 22:02 Scoop wrote: I don't understand why he was warned. It doesn't make any sense to have a 'female only' tournament. This isn't a physical sport nor is it about easthetics. i agree, seems like a fair post, don't see why you would get warned for that... O_O | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
On October 31 2010 22:02 Scoop wrote: I don't understand why he was warned. It doesn't make any sense to have a 'female only' tournament. This isn't a physical sport nor is it about easthetics. It makes perfect sense. Read Nazgul's post. It's all about building community and having fun. Most people appretiate any effort that makes e-sport (or regular sport) more diverse and entertaining. Question is why are you against female only tournament but not against *insert school name* only tournament. Are national tournaments wrong as well? You can easily see that what these tournaments do is bring together people who have something in common, which in turn promotes FUN. Honestly, I just think most of the complainers here just have this superiority complex. Just get over yourselves and let others have fun. | ||
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libshdnighi
Denmark10 Posts
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On October 31 2010 22:27 libshdnighi wrote: so, where will it be streamed? That's a good question, I'd like to check it out, too. | ||
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naddL
Germany21 Posts
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teacash
Canada494 Posts
On October 31 2010 09:36 eckm wrote: The brain is a physical, biological thing. To accept the reality of male-female physiological differences but deny the possibility of critical differences in the mental faculties of males and females is a contradiction. There is certainly an environmental factor going on here (do women feel the social stigma of being a serious gamer more than men? [imo this is a tragedy--what guy doesn't fantasize about the girl gamer?]) but it would not surprise me to find in a comparison of the two sex's minds an imbalanced distribution of natural strengths and weaknesses in spatial reasoning, competitiveness, et cetera. Well, inherent brain differences between men and women exist to a small extent, but most of the proposed mental differences between men and women develop through experience. This is much less the case when it comes to the body, where experience plays a significant but much less important factor in determining the muscle build and size. Even if it were clear that they were inherent genetic brain differences, it'd still be much more complicated than things are with the physical body (where things tend to be much more quantitative than qualitative). You bring up an interesting and significant issue, but it doesn't legitimize the direct analogy to physical sport. I have an honors degree in Behavioural Neuroscience And there is a good bit of fuzziness surrounding this issue. E.g. it's difficult to prove things, because to have a "controlled" experiment you'd need to raise men as women and women as men etc. etc. .. But what the whole of the research suggests is that mental brain differences are more often developed through experience rather than genetic, though genetic differences do exist to a much smaller (and more ambiguous) extent. | ||
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tealc
109 Posts
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fush
Canada563 Posts
On November 01 2010 00:27 tealc wrote: I totally agree that a cup solely dedicated to female gamers is a good tool to build even better of a community, but sadly I don't think that anyone is expecting this to take off. In a way this reminds me of the paralympics where the winner is usually the least disabled one and no one cares enough to spectate the event. funny... seems like there are 10 pages of people who are at least interested enough to comment. to each their own i suppose. | ||
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Spidinko
Slovakia1174 Posts
On November 01 2010 00:27 tealc wrote: I totally agree that a cup solely dedicated to female gamers is a good tool to build even better of a community, but sadly I don't think that anyone is expecting this to take off. In a way this reminds me of the paralympics where the winner is usually the least disabled one and no one cares enough to spectate the event. Comparing paraolympics with women tournament is like saying they are mentaly challanged. Terrible 1st post imo. | ||
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LadyBee
Germany97 Posts
On November 01 2010 00:27 tealc wrote: I totally agree that a cup solely dedicated to female gamers is a good tool to build even better of a community, but sadly I don't think that anyone is expecting this to take off. In a way this reminds me of the paralympics where the winner is usually the least disabled one and no one cares enough to spectate the event. I've really been thinking whether I should even reply to this. I don't know if you're aware of this but your last sentence was really borderline offensive. In case you were just trolling, congratulations. If not, here's your cue to try and think about it. In the last SC2 Female Cup (which was also the very first ever) there were only 8 girls participating. This time around there are over 30 players in the cup. That's quite an improvement, don't you think? | ||
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JadedShock
United States90 Posts
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noD
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Falling
Canada11381 Posts
And to all the whiners- yes all the other SC2 tournaments are open to all, just as the Korean proleague were open to foreigners- but there just weren't that many foreigners playing to make it into the SCBW just as there isn't that many girls playing RTS's to make it in. (Except TosSgirl.) So really, guys already have a ton of 'guys only' tournaments. All to do with numbers. (And given the immaturity demonstrated by many gamers to girls- it's no wonder they would hide their gender or want their own tournament.) And why not support something that is only beneficial to RTS's? 50% of the population is essentially guaranteed to not play the game. Even if you get a small percentage of that playing, it will increase the staying power of the game. | ||
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pred470r
Bulgaria3265 Posts
User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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Amaterasu!
2 Posts
 hope I can do well | ||
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tellthenightcomes
Canada66 Posts
On October 30 2010 00:41 Vandro wrote: I don't understand why there needs to be female tournaments? As far as I know there are no gender restrictions on normal tournaments, so if girls are good enough they can just compete in those right? I understand the commercial value of female gaming, but what would really be good for competitive gaming is when a female can compete with the best of the guys. Emancipation goes both ways right. User was warned for this post Its for the female players to mingle, has nothing to do with femles not being able to compete its so they can chat it up with other women, and make friends with the limited female starcraft players that play this wonderful game. | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
On November 01 2010 02:35 pred470r wrote: I'm to lazy to go through the whole 10 pages of the thread, but I cannot stop my self to ask what's stopping some guy to sign up saying he's a girl? Probably not a problem because all girls playing SC2 know each other. :D | ||
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Lurxer
Germany24 Posts
On November 01 2010 02:45 FrogOfWar wrote: Probably not a problem because all girls playing SC2 know each other. :D 5.1. Female voice obligation The presence in the ESL-Ventrilo 2.1 (IP: ts.esl.eu:3787, for password please ask the admins) before and during the match is obligated! An exception can be made if both teams agree in the match comments to play without a voice check. A refusal or a permanent mute will cause a match delete. | ||
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eckm
United States72 Posts
On October 31 2010 23:55 teacash wrote: Well, inherent brain differences between men and women exist to a small extent, but most of the proposed mental differences between men and women develop through experience. This is much less the case when it comes to the body, where experience plays a significant but much less important factor in determining the muscle build and size. Even if it were clear that they were inherent genetic brain differences, it'd still be much more complicated than things are with the physical body (where things tend to be much more quantitative than qualitative). You bring up an interesting and significant issue, but it doesn't legitimize the direct analogy to physical sport. I have an honors degree in Behavioural Neuroscience And there is a good bit of fuzziness surrounding this issue. E.g. it's difficult to prove things, because to have a "controlled" experiment you'd need to raise men as women and women as men etc. etc. .. But what the whole of the research suggests is that mental brain differences are more often developed through experience rather than genetic, though genetic differences do exist to a much smaller (and more ambiguous) extent. Absolutely, and I defer to your expertise.. I'm pursuing a philosophy degree and I try to follow behavioral neuroscience from my armchair. :p The sports analogy is not apt, but I felt compelled to comment on the mind-body distinction. I'm curious about the fuzziness, though. What sort of genetic differences exist? I imagine, evolutionarily, that in the physically stronger male specialized for hunting/stalking/trapping would also accumulate mental traits that gave him an advantage in the hunt: spatial reasoning, anticipation, prediction, real-time strategizing. In many ways (and especially in shooters) playing video games is very much like hunting--not the sanitized, modern, questionably moral recreational hunting, but the original, visceral, exercise-every-single-physical-and-mental-faculty-you-can-bring-to-bear-to-feed-yourself-and-survive hunting. Now, this rambling stems from certain theories of evolutionary biology and anthropology of proto-man, and who knows how accurate that actually is yet. Maybe women hunted too, or had other reasons to develop all the same mental skills at comparable levels. Or does the research basically say that at birth male and female brains are nearly identical, and only after development in an environment that the respective brains diverge..? | ||
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FrogOfWar
Germany1406 Posts
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