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AmiPolizeiFunk
Germany804 Posts
I'd love to see the replay tho. | ||
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ComusLoM
Norway3547 Posts
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:28 Dream- wrote: + Show Spoiler + On October 12 2010 02:26 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Hes a guy, Suzy is the name of someone famous. You have no idea what you are talking about =o Cool is the favorite but not by anywhere near as much, as what you are implying. I'm sorry to insult your team mate that way, TLO is good, but his style relies too much on creativity, where as Cool is a solid fundamental player, who has the creativity to boot. After seeing Cool just completely stomp players like Rainbow, Inca, LiveForever, and Top, I have no doubt in my mind that TLO would get swept by Cool. that just isn't true at all. Cool is my favorite player (along with IdrA, check, cella and really any other high level zerg, huge bias) but he did not 'stomp' all these players you listed. He ran through liveforever, and Rainbow (Rainbow due to lackluster build orders that didn't exploit early game.) Cool vs Inca was cool cheesing Inca in game 1 to try and get up in the series because Inca is insanely strong, and P death pushes are ridiculous to manage. Game 2 InCa was clearly flustered and tried to do his own semi allin push that was pretty much a collossal failure. Neither games did cool really exhibit he was some world beater was mostly a bad reaction from Inca. Cool vs Top, cool should have been eliminated. TOP had all but won on kulas ravine, i think after banshee harass cool had 12-14 drones and no army on 2 base while TOP had his natural secured, thors, marines and banshees. Instead of just massing up a slightly larger force pushing and killing Ccool, Top went for a bizzaro double expo into 200/200 thor push. This AWFUL decision allowed cool to expo and drone like a mad man. Cool was able to get just enough units out to stop the push and with his superior economy thanks to TOP's huge passive blunder cool over ran top in a very embarrassing game for TOP. Cool vs a very exploitive terran like TLO could be very close. While cool is likely the stronger player I would not be surprised at all to see TLO steal a game or even the series through clever early game harrassment and economy damage. Cool only had to play against a highly skilled Terran that exploited the early game once in GSL1 and he should have lost. | ||
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TheAngelofDeath
United States2033 Posts
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Nu11
Canada167 Posts
On October 12 2010 07:36 crms wrote: that just isn't true at all. Cool is my favorite player (along with IdrA, check, cella and really any other high level zerg, huge bias) but he did not 'stomp' all these players you listed. He ran through liveforever, and Rainbow (Rainbow due to lackluster build orders that didn't exploit early game.) Cool vs Inca was cool cheesing Inca in game 1 to try and get up in the series because Inca is insanely strong, and P death pushes are ridiculous to manage. Game 2 InCa was clearly flustered and tried to do his own semi allin push that was pretty much a collossal failure. Neither games did cool really exhibit he was some world beater was mostly a bad reaction from Inca. Cool vs Top, cool should have been eliminated. TOP had all but won on kulas ravine, i think after banshee harass cool had 12-14 drones and no army on 2 base while TOP had his natural secured, thors, marines and banshees. Instead of just massing up a slightly larger force pushing and killing Ccool, Top went for a bizzaro double expo into 200/200 thor push. This AWFUL decision allowed cool to expo and drone like a mad man. Cool was able to get just enough units out to stop the push and with his superior economy thanks to TOP's huge passive blunder cool over ran top in a very embarrassing game for TOP. Cool vs a very exploitive terran like TLO could be very close. While cool is likely the stronger player I would not be surprised at all to see TLO steal a game or even the series through clever early game harrassment and economy damage. Cool only had to play against a highly skilled Terran that exploited the early game once in GSL1 and he should have lost. why exactly should he of lost? Cheap cheese play doesn't seem to work very well vs. Cool. I don't think you are correct. | ||
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EchOne
United States2906 Posts
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Dream-
United States20 Posts
On October 12 2010 07:36 crms wrote: that just isn't true at all. Cool is my favorite player (along with IdrA, check, cella and really any other high level zerg, huge bias) but he did not 'stomp' all these players you listed. He ran through liveforever, and Rainbow (Rainbow due to lackluster build orders that didn't exploit early game.) Cool vs Inca was cool cheesing Inca in game 1 to try and get up in the series because Inca is insanely strong, and P death pushes are ridiculous to manage. Game 2 InCa was clearly flustered and tried to do his own semi allin push that was pretty much a collossal failure. Neither games did cool really exhibit he was some world beater was mostly a bad reaction from Inca. Cool vs Top, cool should have been eliminated. TOP had all but won on kulas ravine, i think after banshee harass cool had 12-14 drones and no army on 2 base while TOP had his natural secured, thors, marines and banshees. Instead of just massing up a slightly larger force pushing and killing Ccool, Top went for a bizzaro double expo into 200/200 thor push. This AWFUL decision allowed cool to expo and drone like a mad man. Cool was able to get just enough units out to stop the push and with his superior economy thanks to TOP's huge passive blunder cool over ran top in a very embarrassing game for TOP. Cool vs a very exploitive terran like TLO could be very close. While cool is likely the stronger player I would not be surprised at all to see TLO steal a game or even the series through clever early game harrassment and economy damage. Cool only had to play against a highly skilled Terran that exploited the early game once in GSL1 and he should have lost. Do you think any player in Cools position vs Top would have won? I doubt it. Lets just face it, I'm not calling him the best player in the world or anything, but compared to TLO Cool is just downright better. His fundamentals are impeccable, add that with his awesome ability to harass, multitask, and squeeze an extra drone or two while hes doing it. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
On October 12 2010 08:18 Nu11 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On October 12 2010 07:36 crms wrote: that just isn't true at all. Cool is my favorite player (along with IdrA, check, cella and really any other high level zerg, huge bias) but he did not 'stomp' all these players you listed. He ran through liveforever, and Rainbow (Rainbow due to lackluster build orders that didn't exploit early game.) Cool vs Inca was cool cheesing Inca in game 1 to try and get up in the series because Inca is insanely strong, and P death pushes are ridiculous to manage. Game 2 InCa was clearly flustered and tried to do his own semi allin push that was pretty much a collossal failure. Neither games did cool really exhibit he was some world beater was mostly a bad reaction from Inca. Cool vs Top, cool should have been eliminated. TOP had all but won on kulas ravine, i think after banshee harass cool had 12-14 drones and no army on 2 base while TOP had his natural secured, thors, marines and banshees. Instead of just massing up a slightly larger force pushing and killing Ccool, Top went for a bizzaro double expo into 200/200 thor push. This AWFUL decision allowed cool to expo and drone like a mad man. Cool was able to get just enough units out to stop the push and with his superior economy thanks to TOP's huge passive blunder cool over ran top in a very embarrassing game for TOP. Cool vs a very exploitive terran like TLO could be very close. While cool is likely the stronger player I would not be surprised at all to see TLO steal a game or even the series through clever early game harrassment and economy damage. Cool only had to play against a highly skilled Terran that exploited the early game once in GSL1 and he should have lost. why exactly should he of lost? Cheap cheese play doesn't seem to work very well vs. Cool. I don't think you are correct. it wasn't cheap cheese. TOP was on even bases with more than double the worker count and army of cool. Doesn't matter how good cool is he would have lost if TOP pushed in any reasonable amount of time. Instead like I said TOP went for a diasterous double command center which allowed cool to recover from the unrecoverable. That game was a wrap if TOP didn't make such a bizarre decision. As for your question Death- I'm not sure if another zerg would have been able to comeback even with TOP's blunder, that's not really the point. Cool was granted with a gift from TOP, cool did not breeze through him like you had indicated in the intial post I responded too. I also agree cool is a better player than TLO, but TLO's abusive style allows him to beat Zergs who may be more skilled then him, it's just the way it is. To think cool would walk through and 3-0 TLO's TvZ I feel is shortsighted. | ||
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FrostedMiniWheats
United States30730 Posts
On October 12 2010 05:28 Dream- wrote: I'm sorry to insult your team mate that way, TLO is good, but his style relies too much on creativity, where as Cool is a solid fundamental player, who has the creativity to boot. After seeing Cool just completely stomp players like Rainbow, Inca, LiveForever, and Top, I have no doubt in my mind that TLO would get swept by Cool. Yeah I'm sure many had no doubt Tester and Top would qualify. I'm sure many thought IntotheRainbow would annihilate qxc in KotB np, or even Cool in the GSL. Everyone expected Idra to at least make it to ro16, not to be taken out by a relatively unknown Lotzeprime. The point being? The pro scene has proven to be somewhat random and inconsistent. I don't think anyone is substantially better than TLO. Perhaps if Cool bulldozes his way to at least the semi-finals again I'd agree. | ||
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crms
United States11933 Posts
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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klops
United States674 Posts
frightening, even. it's been said so many times that the first 3 GSLs are to determine seeds for their 2011 seasons. | ||
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Subversion
South Africa3627 Posts
motbob! get on it! :D | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:29 shin_toss wrote: lol @ civ 5 Haha, it's such a parallel to SC:BW --> SC2:WoL in my opinion  Anyway, ZergBong qualified...I have geek chills up and down my spine, TEARS in my EYES, ... | ||
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NeSS1
United States101 Posts
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Jaw
United States274 Posts
On October 12 2010 13:29 shin_toss wrote: lol @ civ 5 what? is civ5 a joke or something? or did he really stopped to play civ5 | ||
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smallblacksun
United States12 Posts
On October 12 2010 14:36 jaw wrote: what? is civ5 a joke or something? or did he really stopped to play civ5 Answered earlier in the thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=159470¤tpage=5#86 | ||
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Cham
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Pads
England3228 Posts
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