EPTRISING League - Page 13
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TechDeft
United States211 Posts
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Gabeski
42 Posts
On September 24 2010 23:24 L1F3 wrote: Gah! Gabeski, something just came up, and I'm not free from 6 - 1am Eastern Time. And I have the GSB Saturday, so maybe earlier today, later tomorrow, or Sunday? I hate being busy... if you on before 1pm today i maay be able to squeez in the quick bo3 series, if not ill be free sunday haha. working all saturday  also do I and chris both have to send replays? or only winner? | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On September 25 2010 00:44 Gabeski wrote: if you on before 1pm today i maay be able to squeez in the quick bo3 series, if not ill be free sunday haha. working all saturday also do I and chris both have to send replays? or only winner? Sunday it is. | ||
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Fluffy1
United States322 Posts
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Fluffy1
United States322 Posts
good series! | ||
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Karliath
United States2214 Posts
Just, you know, in case anyone is looking for him. | ||
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HolySpear
United States60 Posts
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PointyBagels
United States90 Posts
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flowandebb
Canada158 Posts
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DuncanIdaho
United States465 Posts
One thing though, I really need an email from every Bo3, replays and a quick list of what maps were played for each game, and who won, expecting me to watch each of them and figure it out for myself may seem reasonable, and I'll do my best, but it would really help my busy grad school scheudle if I get at least this quick synopsis. (If you'd like to give me more details about how the games went, eg, "I 6pooled him, but he held off, pushed with mech in the midgame, but I teched to broodlords and roaches, held him off a little bit, but eventually his economic advantage won the game," all the better, though I don't expect it.) And again, my email address is bchaney at psychology dot ou dot edu (at=@ and dot=.). As for this tisk about the watching the stream, I think things could have been handled a bit better. If there is a suspicion, voice it, but please don't resort to name calling. However, I will say that Stoids is doing a great service to us, for free, and he has my respect, despite his "colorful" casting style, which I do find quite entertaining, and let's face it, we do some stupid shit as gold and below, and getting made fun of makes the casts that much more enjoyable, so just take it on the cuff. In any case, let's be adults about this, and from what I've heard from Hayako, and what I know about him as a person, I highly doubt he was watching the stream, but nevertheless I will review the video, as I haven't had time to do so yet. And although I believe Hayako for now, I highly doubt it will be possible to prove any cheating, so I'm going to just take this oppurtunity to say, let's all just agree not to chat/watch the stream/hack/etc., and hopefully we'll be honorable about this. Furthermore, resorting to this bickering is highly volatile towards the community, which is really supposed to just be a bunch of friendly chums, playing some friendly games, while trying to improve. I'l review this matter, and pass my judgment, but the worst case scenario I can foresee is the highly unlikely possibility of me deciding that Hayako did cheat, but being unable to prove it, and me simply telling him that we all know what he did, though since we can't prove it, he can stay, but he better not do it again. Though I'm sure his moves can be chalked up to a good sense of intuition, mixed with somewhat solid play. Against Hayako, he is a formidible opponent, and unless I do some sort of early game crush against him, the longer the game goes on, the less and less likeli it becomes that I'll win against him, and I've learned this about him through several of our practice games. I want to say we're 2 for 2, dead even, for our 4 games we've played, but the two I won were typically me exploiting an early mistake he made, and the two he won were games which went somewhat longer. I do agree with Stoids refusing to cast game 2, as if there ever is any suspiscion, by all means, please do so. However, let's try to be civil, though I honestly haven't seen the cast, so perhaps Stoids was simply being his colorful self while intending his comments to be taken lightly, I don't know yet. But in any case, I respect all of you, and I think all members involved honestly mean what they say, and I doubt anyone is being unreasonable, in that everyone is simply doing what they believe to be the best course of action, given their perspective. Regardless, keep sending me replays, results, and which maps each game was played upon. And know this, I love you all <3 :D ~DI PS- And as for the cutesy names Stoids gives us, I think its not meant out of spite, but is somewhat entertaining, and endearing... I wonder what he'll call me? :p I thought it was slightly amusing that HybridFlow refered to me as "Duncan Hidaho" :p I hide them well, yes I do... lol | ||
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DuncanIdaho
United States465 Posts
On September 24 2010 09:16 Hayako wrote: I really dident want to discuss this on the open public fourme but it looks like im going to have to. After rewatching the replay multiple times i can see were some of your concerns come from. But to be honest, im really sad, angry, and just right pissed off that im being completely falsely accused. I can honestly say that at no point during that entire match was I in the broadcast. There some strange occurences through out the match, but if you watch closley each has a perfectly reasonable explanation. 1: Flying factory over to base: I merely built the factory to to get a starport and wasent planning to use it after, ive seen many games on youtube were people use factory as a scout so I did it. Complete luck that you happened to say what you did about the factory. But if you look at no point did i intend to land the factory (you cant see the green outline of the destination) i all along planned to use factory as a scout 2: Battle in middle (16 minutes) I was moving my army out to engage my oppenent at his base, i stopped when i realised hes got siege tanks and i have got banshees that i can use to snipe them out during the attack. so I stopped my army because i dident want to just send them in and get out of postion, and i brought my bashees up to my army. Than on my mini map i saw the dots of his main army right in front of mine, i quickly pulled back again so that i wouldent be caught out of position. Than something amazing happened, we had the same thought process at the same time, i realized if i run in there and stim and focus down his seige tanks, that would be a good idea. Which is exactly what I did, you can than see me swing my banshees around to try and help with sniping out the siege tanks. 3: During the cast when my Bob put his third down you said it was a hidden expansion. If i was really listing I probably would have "scouted" to find the base and taken it out. Though I do appreciate you casting the games for the league, and the help you provide to everyone. You could not be more wrong of what has happened this game, as i was NOT listing in to your broadcast. I think coming out and cussing me on the video and on the fourme without even talking to me first is extremely disrespectful, and it really makes me sad to think that you may have hurt my "rep" for this league so badly that I may not even be able to compete. Hayako - EDIT- If i missed any other point in which you found fishy that i was listing in, please tell me Okay, so I watched the clip, and here's my opinion. Hybrid at first seemed to be jokingly saying that he's watching. Well, if he truly was, we should have seen much, much more exploitation. I think with Hybrid's constant "he's so watching this," it had a psychological effect. Perhaps Stoids assumed Hybrid was suggesting that he was in the user list on ustream, and took the suggestion as fact. However, I will say this. The factory scout is quite common. Getting cloak, is quite common. STIMMING AFTER BEING SCANNED, AND THEN RUSHING IN, IS QUITE COMMON. If I got scanned, that tells me, huh, he must be trying to pelt me with seige tanks at his choke, and after all, his hellions did see my army incoming. Thus, if I push now, things might be good. That's totally reasonable. Furthermore, he never banshee'd or dropped in his main back by the min line like Stoids suggested, nor did he seem to realize the existence of the hidden expo at 9 o'clock. Simply flying in a rax, researching cloak, and stimming b4 pushing after getting scanned when it's apparent he knows your army is incoming, are all reasonable, and typical things. Now, had Stoids said, he should expand now, and immediately see an expansion, said, he should fly his banshees in right here right now, and say immediately we saw them moving exactly where the caster said, then that would make sense. Finally, had he truly been watching, I bet he wouldn't have sacrificed his army into that siege line, and instead stopped the advance, and medivac'd into the main, avoiding the seige line, which he did not. Stoids also suggested a seige near his expo and to not bother with the supply depot block, both of which were good advice we didn't see Hayako respond to. Honestly, if Hayako was cheating by watching, we would have seen way more exploitation, not just the small shit that was funny to joke about with comments like, "he's so watching this". And had he been watching, truly watching, he would have done some stuff you didn't suggest, simply by knowing the placements of various buildings in Bob's main. And finally, and most importantly, HAYAKO LOST. He may be gold, but he's no complete idiot. If he truly had this advantage, he so would have won, or at least known it was safe to expand more. Also, he didnt put any extra scv's on the one scv refinery, which even had he done, would be accountable as, well I guess he realized that, but he didn't, and continued to mine at a much slower rate. I hereby decree that Hayako is innocent, and I clear his name of any wrong-doing in my book, as should all of you. This is rude, stupid, and paranoid to resort to such accusations, and without a ton of obvious evidence, making such accusations is irresponsible and immature. Hayako, I apologize to you for everyone's actions. However, again, I love you all, let's remember we're here to have fun, and let's do exactly that, HAVE FUN. Thanks again for the casting, and I hope you continue, Stoids, to cast for us, no hard feelings, and we all appreciate everything you do. <3 ~Duncan Idaho | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
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PlusMinus
28 Posts
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Gabeski
42 Posts
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TechDeft
United States211 Posts
On September 25 2010 07:43 Karliath wrote: TechDeft is temp banned for 2 days for faking warnings in his post. Just, you know, in case anyone is looking for him. Whoops. | ||
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HolySpear
United States60 Posts
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flowandebb
Canada158 Posts
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flowandebb
Canada158 Posts
I am still missing the results of Ellisandre v PointyBagels, Fluffy v Nyrves (which I'm pretty sure has been done), Gabeski v Hybrid, and finally Chris v Gabeski. These games must be completed before tuesday when the week resets. | ||
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flowandebb
Canada158 Posts
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HolySpear
United States60 Posts
Most of the players now play terran <_< | ||
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