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Excellent, this should be a great rematch. Is TLO playing as random or Terran now?
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Gogogo! We should compile a full list of all "official" tournament and match games between these two players, keep a total score, and gradually bring it to Bo100+.  Always exciting to see how their styles interact.
Here're the results I've found so far (some of the tournaments' archives don't work anymore, so I'm probably missing a few matches):
TLO - WhiteRa (list of games follows!)
+ Show Spoiler +1-3 TLSC2I1
2-3 HDHI1
2-3 Fragster showmatch
4-1 9th July showmatch
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Pretty close and competitive overall, after ~20 games.
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I hope replays are made available by the casters. I'd like to try shoutcasting this on a later date (still quite a newb at casting), which is why I'd like a replay. Hopefully this match does not have any lag.
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Yes! That most recent Bo7 was very disappointing, seemed like WhiteRa was having countless issues with many things. I am looking forward to an awesome show(re-)match!
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I'm not sure I could livestream this since I'd probably be at work, but i'd be willing to shoutcast them to youtube and uploaded by the next morning.
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Nice.
Saw the first one live, and I am now excited to have another one in the near future.
I was wondering if there would be anybody interested in a german cast, as TLO is from Germany obv. . I mean, how many people would tune in for a german cast, are there any numbers or any experienced casts in the past?
Any german speakers interested ? Maybe we can have an extra thread or get in contact by PM?
Cheers
MaiShuRong
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Fuck yeah, this is gonna be awesome
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Thank God, WhiteRa was clearly not in his usual shape last time. Now that both players had time to hit the Battlenet I hope so see some World Class play :D
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Awesome players, looking forward to see this. Never know what to expect from TLO.
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epiiiic. Will TLO play random or not??? I really like his ZvP style though I think he has better chances with T.
I'll just say it with a great german band: "I don't care as long as you WIN"!!!! =D
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Very awesome - good thing they're doing this the last game weren't fair to WhiteRa because of the lag.
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I'm willing to cast this time!
I was throwing up during the last one haha, but I'm all better now
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i think he will take R because it s only a show match , as well T is his strongest race
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Sure I'll cast, ill try to be up at 10 haha
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awesome. if HDH or day9 do not show up here i'll cast this in english for you. Otherwise im the german guy here.
//haha nice, so im the german caster.
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Yay, rematch!
The last showmatch wasn't bad but + Show Spoiler +quite unsatisfying considering the DC and all the lag ruining whitera's game. Sure TLO finally beat WhiteRa for once, but not for the right reasons..
WhiteRa vs TLO = favorite player vs favorite player = EPIC
Now I just wanna see TLO vs Idra as well and I'll be happy.
EDIT: Husky & HD: Do it together!
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As much as this is epic..
wtb TLO vs Artosis grudge match! ;D
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I'm so damn excited. I know they are both having the rematch because the last one they had was during my final. So nice of them!
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Ugh, cant convert 5:00pm GMT into Australian time. Can someone do it for me, or give me a site which does it for me? Google failed on me.
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On July 13 2010 19:19 Bswhunter wrote:
Ugh, cant convert 5:00pm GMT into Australian time. Can someone do it for me, or give me a site which does it for me? Google failed on me.
I used datetime BBCode in the post then if you'll set your timezone in profile, it should be to convert GMT to your local time.
Otherwise use http://www.worldtimezone.com/ because you have at least 3 various timezones in Australia
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Nice Go WHITE-RA and some awesome commentators HD and Husky :D Looking forward to it:D
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This is nice! Hope to see awesome games ^_^
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Are there English VODs on the first set of matches up anywhere?
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Hd and husky im assuming your doing your famous dual commentary? I hope
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I <3 your accent forsti, thanks for all your hard work!
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yeah why HD&husky not 2gth
Gonna be so epic without laggg so both can do somme crazy micro.
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Awesome! Two of the most entertaining players duking it out again. GL HF!
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Looking forward to this
This should be on TL calender list!
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Awesome, a match-up that great deserves a rematch with more stability and less lag!
I tuned in for the last one, I'm going to try to catch this one also. Since HD and Husky are casting, I presume that SHOULD I miss it, there will be some (quick? ) VODS down the road.
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Oh TLO, you've forced White-Ra to put on his slick sunglasses. He is one with the matrix now. The end is inevitable.
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WhiteRa looks like a G, lol
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On July 13 2010 18:42 HuskyTheHusky wrote:I'm willing to cast this time! I was throwing up during the last one haha, but I'm all better now
silly Husky, throwing up is for sick people, and theres no time for being sick when there's Starcraft 2 to play ( or cast, depending on the day, =) )
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i love both these players idk which one to root for lol
anyone know what this is in est im confused lol
edit nvm got it thx
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Wow TLO and WhiteRa again? hahaha ppl never seem to get bored of this! Looking forward for another cool match!
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On July 13 2010 19:19 Bswhunter wrote:
Ugh, cant convert 5:00pm GMT into Australian time. Can someone do it for me, or give me a site which does it for me? Google failed on me.
click on 'time' in the top right hand corner of TL.net and you can convert from GMT. It is 3am sydney time.
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On July 13 2010 18:52 Chesner wrote:
wtb TLO vs Artosis grudge match! ;D
Truth right there.
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This is pretty much the epic foriegner matchup right now and I really love to see these two battle it out. This reminds me of the great rivalries such as draco vs mondragon and nony vs idra when they were in korea
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going to miss Forsti.henning's English commentary. Hopefully the lag isn't an issue for this match.
do we know if TLO is going random or if he is just swapping between Zerg/Terran?
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TLO vs Whitra is one of the most fun(gal growth) matches to watch WhiteRa has his proxys and TLO has his randomness and creative play. CAN'T WAIT!
(is tlo playing terran or random??)
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dont make me decide which stream to watch! and i hate watching the same game twice... husky and hd should team up on this!!
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Argh, I was waiting until 1:00EDT only to find out that it's the 13th instead of the 14th. Woe is me.
I'm predicting White-Ra will take it 4-2.
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When is the game (CET) ? Because in the events it is written 4am CET and in this topic it is at a different time. Thx
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10AM PST.... right in the middle of my college math class. 
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Woot! Rematch! I didn't catch the first one live, but hopefully I can catch some of this tomorrow =D
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Will definitely watch one of the European streams
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On July 14 2010 08:24 L1oN wrote:
When is the game (CET) ? Because in the events it is written 4am CET and in this topic it is at a different time. Thx
19:00 Paris
"4am CET" it was begin time of Day[9]'s daylies about first series.
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Oh man i hope the EU server goes back on line so they don t have 2 play on us
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WTB showmatch that isnt in the middle of the day on a weekday ><
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On July 14 2010 22:44 Darpa wrote:
WTB showmatch that isnt in the middle of the day on a weekday ><
It isn't in the middle of the day in europe
But can't wait for this, already got popcorn and cola ready to be consumed during these matches!!
Wish forsti would commentate tho (in English) (
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White-Ra just can't let showmatches be decided after losing one series (like vs machine), can he? :p
TLO vs White-Ra is definitely the best rivalry we have so far in SC2.
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I think having too much of these show matches kinda kill the rivalry as much as I love watching. It's much more interesting with more on the line if they meet up during a tourney. Having said that, this rematch is a must since the last one had too much lag.
Just to be safe this is gonna happen in 2.4 hrs right? 1pm eastern.
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Lol its always nice to see these 2 play, but you gotta wonder. How many times is White-Ra gonna come out on top.
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I'm uber excited about this. Love it anytime TLO plays and White-Ra is just one of the people that always brings out the best in him.
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On July 14 2010 23:38 ktffang wrote:
I think having too much of these show matches kinda kill the rivalry as much as I love watching. It's much more interesting with more on the line if they meet up during a tourney. Having said that, this rematch is a must since the last one had too much lag.
Just to be safe this is gonna happen in 2.4 hrs right? 1pm eastern.
If White-Ra.com is right with the times which it definitely is, yes. Would be nice if someone edited the OP to avoid confusion. It`s 19CET/18GMT/02KST.
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dam, this is too soon, im at home at 3pm east
guess i will get the vod
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On July 15 2010 00:08 barth wrote:
Would be nice if someone edited the OP to avoid confusion. It`s 19CET/18GMT/02KST.
17 GMT or UTC or Zulu time / and 18 in London/Dublin according DST correction.
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starts in about 40minutes, correct?
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I always forget there is a 2 hour difference between GMT and CEST
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Do an english cast forsti, I like your accent!
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LOL @ whitera photo with shades
hes such a cool guy. My role model how u should play protoss
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hypehypehype! I roasted some pecans to snack on during the games :D
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I just want to mention that this will NOT be on my stream. It will be on HD's stream. No reason to split it up
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hope u start 2 streem soon is 2 min away
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STARTING SOON! ("soon" = minutes, not Blizzard standard :d)
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yeah they should like start early 2 fix all this tehnical stuff
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Good thing my russian ain't that bad, I guess if Husky and HD don't get their streams fixed, I'll be off to watch some good old commie comrades :-P
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Hype hype Hype Hyper beam
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WhiteRa: i think we wait some minets more
and starting
<3 White-Ra's English
Gogogo glhf should be epic.
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What's with HD's screen showing TheBigOne's bnet? People are thinking he's TLO's bro
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He needed an europe account so TBO probably lent him his.
But why is this taking forever to start ;_;
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I like how HD was completely prepared to cast this and didnt delay the game for 20 minutes at all! (they seem to have started without him)
wtb capable English casters, will pay real money!
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I only hear 1 caster, weren't they supposed to be 2 ?
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Also might want to set your stream to live on TeamLiquid.net so you can get 5k viewers instead of only 1200. =P
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TLO opens with reapers/hellions/cloaked banshees. White-Ra's probes had to do some running, but his nat expo still stands.
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lol, what a great starting game.
Really strange with only 50% commentating though ^^
On July 15 2010 02:29 JoshSuth wrote:
Also might want to set your stream to live on TeamLiquid.net so you can get 5k viewers instead of only 1200. =P
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On July 15 2010 02:34 7mk wrote:lol, what a great starting game. Really strange with only 50% commentating though ^^ Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 02:29 JoshSuth wrote:
Also might want to set your stream to live on TeamLiquid.net so you can get 5k viewers instead of only 1200. =P !
Yea really was weird commentry, but a great game.
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I think HD is only streaming hid mic to Ustream, considering how nobody can even hear ingame sounds. Really unfortunate.
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HD and Husky are good at what they do best (youtube video posting)
But they suck big time when it comes to streaming...
We need some english caster to come and fill up for them.
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Is there an english stream that isn't awful? I'm gonna watch the german one in the meantime I guess
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they only care about there youtube audiance not the tl members i wish we had other english casters!
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HD and Husky are quite good in my opinion. They are not Day9 but no one can deny they know how to get a crowd. One thing that bugs me about their streaming is how unprepared they always are.
But their youtube channels are fun to watch.
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oh my god this game is sooo goood
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Fast void rays and chargelots vs fully upgraded marines. White-Ra's nat was first, but also falls first.
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wow, this was for me one of the very most exciting games of SC2 so far
That epic nexus snipe with the super low hp marines, the dramatic question of bunkers finishing in time, that nice supply depot block to trap the zealots..... woah
yay we finally hear husky
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On July 15 2010 02:43 gaiyeam wrote:
they only care about there youtube audiance not the tl members i wish we had other english casters!
What a stupid comment, moron
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Come on HD & Husky make that work!
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On July 15 2010 02:47 SmoKim wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 02:43 gaiyeam wrote:
they only care about there youtube audiance not the tl members i wish we had other english casters! What a stupid comment, moron
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wtf, do we now hear husky but not HDstarcraft?? T_T
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TLO (again!) does not wall-off tightly. He demonstrated already that he doesn't consider some zealots running in his base as a big problem.
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I think they lagged out? What the hell happened?
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wow forsti had more viewers than HD ! GO FORSTI !
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Approaching mid-game this time. White-Ra gets 3rd expo. Nice use of phoenixes for vision to do storms uphill into TLO's base.
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simultaneously building bc and researching nuke, love it :D
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That's one way to clear a cliff drop...
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clear cliff with emp into nuke then win the game with bc's tlo style
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ERROR!!! LOST TEMPLE COULD NOT BE FOUND DUE TO nukeS!!! 3-0 babe!
WhiteRa Hwaiting!
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Wow. 2-Base Battlecruiser. TLO is ****ing awesome. BC's alone could have made that the best game of this series. But then he also had the EMP and Nuke on the cliff. Which made it official.
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pretty bad play by white ra, is he eating while playing or something?
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On July 15 2010 02:53 figq wrote:
TLO (again!) does not wall-off tightly. He demonstrated already that he doesn't consider some zealots running in his base as a big problem.
Stalkers have range 6 marines have range 5 and maurader have 6. If you have a wall vers toss stalkers can kill supply depots w/o marines fighting them, so what is the point of a wall? Yes good versus 2 gate but white ra never 2 gates.
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I'm getting tired of Lost Temple. Hope they are cross-positioned again, for an even longer game.
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Wow TLO is playing quite well.
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On July 15 2010 03:00 T0fuuu wrote:
wow forsti had more viewers than HD ! GO FORSTI !
cuz forsti's stream is smooth..even tho i cant understand him ><
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On July 15 2010 03:13 floor exercise wrote:
pretty bad play by white ra, is he eating while playing or something?
Agreed, have to say I'm pretty disappointed in his play, his multi tasking looks like mine D=
EDIT: LT AGAIN?!
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On July 15 2010 03:13 floor exercise wrote:
pretty bad play by white ra, is he eating while playing or something?
yea soo baaad thats why he lost.
xd
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On July 15 2010 03:00 T0fuuu wrote:
wow forsti had more viewers than HD ! GO FORSTI !
I wish Forsti were doing an english cast. I'm still watching his stream anyway.
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Pretty average games so far imo, would like to see some more exciting stuff
Anyway gogo TLO
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holy crap, whitera just did a 3/3 split !
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Yeah playing 4 straight games of LT is a little bland as a spectator opportunity, in my opinion. Need some variety to spice things up.
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Nukes, archons and battlecruisers. Damn awesome game :D
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On July 15 2010 03:13 DanielD wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 02:53 figq wrote:
TLO (again!) does not wall-off tightly. He demonstrated already that he doesn't consider some zealots running in his base as a big problem. Stalkers have range 6 marines have range 5 and maurader have 6. If you have a wall vers toss stalkers can kill supply depots w/o marines fighting them, so what is the point of a wall? Yes good versus 2 gate but white ra never 2 gates. He ended up indeed having zlots in his base a couple of times in the second game. If he wasn't TLO, with such good micro, that could have been a bigger issue, but not for him.
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OH COME ON WHITE-RA. He freaking lost the Charge on his VRs.
And now the VRs are dead.
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On July 15 2010 03:17 figq wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 03:13 DanielD wrote:On July 15 2010 02:53 figq wrote:
TLO (again!) does not wall-off tightly. He demonstrated already that he doesn't consider some zealots running in his base as a big problem. Stalkers have range 6 marines have range 5 and maurader have 6. If you have a wall vers toss stalkers can kill supply depots w/o marines fighting them, so what is the point of a wall? Yes good versus 2 gate but white ra never 2 gates. He ended up indeed having zlots in his base a couple of times in the second game. If he wasn't TLO, with such good micro, that could have been a bigger issue, but not for him.
The only reason he had to have good micro is b/c of his building placement. When I play TvP I make a wall from my gyser closest to my ramp to my CC with rax/depot and the zealots have to run around mineral line or around whole CC and die before they get to my first marines.
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On July 15 2010 03:21 dabom88 wrote:
OH COME ON WHITE-RA. He freaking lost the Charge on his VRs.
And now the VRs are dead.
This is like watching a gold player VR rushing
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I think for a fourth time in a row, White-Ra takes his nat first, TLO attacks it, while throwing down his own second.
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On July 15 2010 03:15 Takkara wrote:
Yeah playing 4 straight games of LT is a little bland as a spectator opportunity, in my opinion. Need some variety to spice things up.
Personally I love it
so interesting to see the mind games and strategies when the whole thing isnt completely changed because of a different map.
I think its really good for learning purposes too
I can understand that most people might find it boring though
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... TLO is containing WR with Barracks/Bunker? WTF are these shenanigans I say!
Long-distance mining probes put a smile on my face.
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White-Ra's nat Nexus has Barracks hat!
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12 zealots for 2 tanks .... Dunno whats going on. Why the first push ? why the second push ?.
Oh well
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Quite a crazy game, this one xD
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Too bad it went 4-0
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jesus, TLO, such a monster
+ Show Spoiler +although it hurts my soul a bit how bad zealots are vs tanks
also as happy I am about TLO winning its sad to only see 4 games out of this incredibly entertaining series
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4-0, wow, TLO dominating o_0
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TLO played Godly that Last game! Just wow.
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Really poor from both players in my opinion, mistakes and bad decisions a plenty.
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Tanks gotta get looked at, and this is from a former T player. Haha. But that was a great back-and-forth game. Congrats to TLO!
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That last game was one of weirdest and/or greatest I've seen so far in SC2. That was on another level
I think I called gg like 4 times.
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That last game was really good. I really like WhiteRa, but he went void ray too damn much.
The nuke on that Archon was classic. Well played, TLO. Congrats on your 50 euros.
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TLO - WhiteRa (list of games follows! Updated!)
+ Show Spoiler +1-3 TLSC2I1
2-3 HDHI1
2-3 Fragster showmatch
4-1 9th July showmatch
4-0 14th July showmatch
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Well, there is a clear curve in time towards the most recent matches getting better for TLO, while still White-Ra has advantage in the match score, which is 2-3.
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Nice games, that nuke was so funny ;D
Watched the stream in german even tho I hardly even understand it, props to forsti for streaming!
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Were there any Lag problems in this game as well? I may be a huge TLO fan, but before these last 2 showmatches, I had ranked White-Ra higher than TLO in my personal rankings. Is WR just rusty or something? Or does he just do better in a tournament setting? 'cause these games were not the WR I had come to know and love. I have a hard time believing that this WR who just lost 4-0 is the guy that won the HDH and placed 2nd in Altitude.
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Thanks just annihilate melee, it's not even close. Charge + massive zeals, and even with no supporting units the tanks still win.
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Wow so this has just got to be an absolute disgrace to the HD and Husky duo. Aside from the technical difficulties the players played on the same map on ALL games. If you are gonna do a showmatch please make it interesting! I don't understand why they just didn't do a single cast. It would be much better overall than a half cast for the live viewers who took the time to watch!
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I enjoy watching PvZ from WhiteRa more. too bad TLO didnt pick Zerg
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One of the best definitions of insanity is trying the same thing and expecting a different outcome. TLO just mopped up any void ray aggression again and again, kept his cool and played thoroughly.
White-Ra seemed to be losing his cool a bit to the end, making silly errors and such. Still, fun to watch, TLO remains my favourite player for displays like this: Solid play, fun times (Archon nuuuuke) and just knows how to win.
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On July 15 2010 03:32 Zurles wrote:
Really poor from both players in my opinion, mistakes and bad decisions a plenty.
Even the builds were stupid. I mean fast VR whatever, but 2 factory tank/hellion is dumb, why not just go for a standard barracks + reactor and siege, it would have been even stronger and less weak to VR early on if Whitera decided to bother microing at all
I dunno it was like TLO doing random shit and Whitera playing like a total newbie
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This showmatch felt... well... the same map 4 times? Come on.
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On July 15 2010 03:36 Fantistic wrote:
This showmatch felt... well... the same map 4 times? Come on.
Yeah gotta agree with that, lost temple is good and all but so mundane to watch it 4 times in a row.
Would have liked to see Metalopolis at least in the mix :/
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This was not something HD and Husky came up with, so I wouldn't put the blame on them for the same map.
Obv they had some tech difficulties, but its not like this was "their" showmatch
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On July 15 2010 03:34 figq wrote:TLO - WhiteRa (list of games follows! Updated!) + Show Spoiler +1-3 TLSC2I1
2-3 HDHI1
2-3 Fragster showmatch
4-1 9th July showmatch
4-0 14th July showmatch
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13-10 Well, there is a clear curve in time towards the most recent matches getting better for TLO, while still White-Ra has advantage in the match score, which is 2-3.
Great post. I do want to note that I'm a big supporter of weighing the more important matches heavier. White-Ra has won TLI and HDH but I can't wait for them to meet in another big tournament after these series. Whoever wins the matches that matter the most has the more impressive heads-up results.
On July 15 2010 03:34 dabom88 wrote:
Were there any Lag problems in this game as well? I may be a huge TLO fan, but before these last 2 showmatches, I had ranked White-Ra higher than TLO in my personal rankings. Is WR just rusty or something? Or does he just do better in a tournament setting? 'cause these games were not the WR I had come to know and love. I have a hard time believing that this WR who just lost 4-0 is the guy that won the HDH and placed 2nd in Altitude.
White-Ra is only slightly ahead in tournament results. They're both absolute top in tournaments. I think this early into the game you can't really say one guy is better than the other skillwise. It'll shift back and forth.
p.s. Idra placed second in Altitude and Tester got first.
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Poll: Best game in the match?Game 3 (16) 59% Game 4 (9) 33% Game 2 (2) 7% Game 1 (0) 0% 27 total votes Your vote: Best game in the match? (Vote): Game 1
(Vote): Game 2
(Vote): Game 3
(Vote): Game 4
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On July 15 2010 03:39 BearPaw wrote:
This was not something HD and Husky came up with, so I wouldn't put the blame on them for the same map.
Obv they had some tech difficulties, but its not like this was "their" showmatch
I didn't say anything about it being HD and Husky's fault.
In fact, I was watching the Russian stream.
Edit: guess you were replying to the other comment.
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On July 15 2010 03:36 floor exercise wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 03:32 Zurles wrote:
Really poor from both players in my opinion, mistakes and bad decisions a plenty. Even the builds were stupid. I mean fast VR whatever, but 2 factory tank/hellion is dumb, why not just go for a standard barracks + reactor and siege, it would have been even stronger and less weak to VR early on if Whitera decided to bother microing at all I dunno it was like TLO doing random shit and Whitera playing like a total newbie
The reasoning behind reactor'd hellion against VR is because I guess hes anticipating the switch to chargelots which is becoming pretty commen.
But man, those games were cringe worthy. TLO played good, but nothing spectacular, but whitera making all kinds of mistakes.. Like him placing his 4 stalkers between the entrance to his base and the watch tower.. basically letting 3 hellions run up his ramp for no reason.. I almost thew up :s
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On July 15 2010 03:35 G3nXsiS wrote:
Wow so this has just got to be an absolute disgrace to the HD and Husky duo. Aside from the technical difficulties the players played on the same map on ALL games. If you are gonna do a showmatch please make it interesting! I don't understand why they just didn't do a single cast. It would be much better overall than a half cast for the live viewers who took the time to watch!
I was not talking about you fantastic.
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On July 15 2010 03:41 Wrist wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 03:36 floor exercise wrote:On July 15 2010 03:32 Zurles wrote:
Really poor from both players in my opinion, mistakes and bad decisions a plenty. Even the builds were stupid. I mean fast VR whatever, but 2 factory tank/hellion is dumb, why not just go for a standard barracks + reactor and siege, it would have been even stronger and less weak to VR early on if Whitera decided to bother microing at all I dunno it was like TLO doing random shit and Whitera playing like a total newbie The reasoning behind reactor'd hellion against VR is because I guess hes anticipating the switch to chargelots which is becoming pretty commen. But man, those games were cringe worthy. TLO played good, but nothing spectacular, but whitera making all kinds of mistakes.. Like him placing his 4 stalkers between the entrance to his base and the watch tower.. basically letting 3 hellions run up his ramp for no reason.. I almost thew up :s
But even chargelots suck against tanks, and marines are far and away better than hellions against everything else that you would want vs tanks, like blink stalkers and immortals, and they scale a million times better. The build wasn't logical, it was just TLO being able to do anything he wants cause Ra played so bad.
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Was cool and funny games.
TLO is playing very good but White-Ra did "decent" mistakes or is just me?
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White-Ra fell and rose many times that I think he will learn his lessons once again and will become stronger It is one of a reasons why I'm his fan during 10 years
btw replay pack is ready to download. Check the first post for updates.
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It was a pleasure to Stream that event again for the german community! I am just uploading the whole Stream on http://hdhomerj.blip.tv
Hope to see you soon and thx to Forsti
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Actually it was HomerJ's stream. We did this dualcast, since we are the two best known german casters in sc2 (so far) we were both invited. Actually HomerJ has an even bigger fan community around him, than i could hope for. HomerJ has the way better CPU, so he brought this smooth stream to you.
mod edit: removed - this is not a charity site
Thank you for for compliments, but I personally like Husky+HD very much! I am really looking forward to the next HDH!
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When HD was having stream issues, I jumped on the German stream. It was very nice. Not the highest quality resolution, but I think that's mostly a Livestream issue. I'm American, but I've studied German extensively in high school and was able to follow the commentary well enough to know that you guys did well together. Very much enjoyed it as a stand-in.
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On July 15 2010 03:35 G3nXsiS wrote:
Wow so this has just got to be an absolute disgrace to the HD and Husky duo. Aside from the technical difficulties the players played on the same map on ALL games. If you are gonna do a showmatch please make it interesting! I don't understand why they just didn't do a single cast. It would be much better overall than a half cast for the live viewers who took the time to watch!
You are the disgrace here. Didn't you complain enough during the stream? HD AND HUSKY DIDN'T ARRANGE THE SHOWMATCH! Are you going to blame them for something that is totally out of control? WhiteRa choose the map as the loser. Blame him if anyone.
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On July 15 2010 04:27 Takkara wrote:
When HD was having stream issues, I jumped on the German stream. It was very nice. Not the highest quality resolution, but I think that's mostly a Livestream issue. I'm American, but I've studied German extensively in high school and was able to follow the commentary well enough to know that you guys did well together. Very much enjoyed it as a stand-in.
I was going to post the exact same thing. Thank you to Forsti for streaming this.
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Really expected more from these games. They had their moments, but generally fairly dull and pretty damn one sided. As mentioned "looser picks map" is pretty boring, if its a show match then, in my humble opinion, it should be organized in a manner that makes it as interesting and fun as possible to watch.
Watching HD & H's stream chat I can see that the maturity level is fairly low and there is a lot of crying and whining going on (oh no, technical difficulties on free entertainment!). Hopefully they won't all come here to TL or else the Banlings are gonna be busy... Overall pretty good show, too bad the games were so one sided and on the same map.
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i hadnt seen reaper hellion before. it has so much potential for harassment! reapers mopup the hellion line splash hehe
TLO still playing fresh !
and bl for whitera i personally think that whitera is more than capable of winning a pvt series without voidrays and would have liked to see it.
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HD & Husky (together!) were commenting the last game, so finally the initial technical issues were fixed. Just wanted to let you know, in case you didn't switch back from HomerJ & Forsti stream. About the maps, I was missing something like Kulas/Metalopolis too, although they could have been TLO/WR-favoring, respectively. I'm surprised to say that, but it seems a smaller map like Sands/Steppes, with tighter nat choke, could have brought us a longer game, compared to the couple of close-positions on LT.
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It was almost like watching BoxeR play.
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On July 15 2010 05:41 YourMom wrote:It was almost like watching BoxeR play.
I was honestly reminded of boxeresque SC1 excitement watching this series
Which surprised me cause I'm still pretty elitist about SC1 micro.
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Love both of these players. Congrats TLO for some well played matches! It was interesting to see the different techniques both players used on the same map LT in all 4 matches. Despite the outcome, I think the matches were very good and quite close overall.
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Epic !
Even thou the result appear one sided, all games were back and forward action packed.
I'm more then happy that I've watched all games. Even thou it would've been better if Husky and HD had a proper stream running. I watched the game in russian and I gotta say that Void (I think ?) did an amazing job. Even me and my "broken" russian were thrilled by his commentating. On the 3rd game the stream broke for me, so I didn't watched it (yet!). And there was a bit of sound issue on game 4, but still, it was better then I expected.
2 of my personal favorite top 3 players were playing so I can't say anything else but thank you guys for making it happen !
Cheers !
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On July 15 2010 05:57 7mk wrote:I was honestly reminded of boxeresque SC1 excitement watching this series Which surprised me cause I'm still pretty elitist about SC1 micro.
I felt excactly the same :D It was exciting too watch which gives me great hope for future of sc2
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On July 15 2010 04:40 Phisk wrote:
Really expected more from these games. They had their moments, but generally fairly dull and pretty damn one sided. As mentioned "looser picks map" is pretty boring, if its a show match then, in my humble opinion, it should be organized in a manner that makes it as interesting and fun as possible to watch.
Watching HD & H's stream chat I can see that the maturity level is fairly low and there is a lot of crying and whining going on (oh no, technical difficulties on free entertainment!). Hopefully they won't all come here to TL or else the Banlings are gonna be busy... Overall pretty good show, too bad the games were so one sided and on the same map.
As far as the maps go, this was definitely the exception and not the rule; Loser's pick is an otherwise very entertaining and consistently good setup. That said, the crying about the stream issues was indeed silly, as it wasn't a major tournament, nor some massive event, so worst case scenario it was a learning experience that ensured that whatever caused the issue won't ever delay a big tournament or somesuch.
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omg TLO is so good he makes me want to go Terran =P I was cheering for white ra the whole time but you can't deny how well TLO handles his units. was entertaining though.
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Any other vods up in different sites? HomerJ's doesn't work for me.
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My Playlist for this Event!
Sadly my CPU is all time at 100% so the sound was messed up today. Only god knows why it sucks sometimes and sometimes its fine...
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On July 15 2010 03:40 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:Show nested quote +On July 15 2010 03:34 figq wrote:TLO - WhiteRa (list of games follows! Updated!) + Show Spoiler +1-3 TLSC2I1
2-3 HDHI1
2-3 Fragster showmatch
4-1 9th July showmatch
4-0 14th July showmatch
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13-10 Well, there is a clear curve in time towards the most recent matches getting better for TLO, while still White-Ra has advantage in the match score, which is 2-3. Great post. I do want to note that I'm a big supporter of weighing the more important matches heavier. White-Ra has won TLI and HDH but I can't wait for them to meet in another big tournament after these series. Whoever wins the matches that matter the most has the more impressive heads-up results.
Indeed. I cannot believe the pressure (stress) of a showmatch is on the same level as a big tournament. Some players perform better under stress, while others is the complete opposite. But in the end, winning big tournaments is the ultimate prize.
Imagine where TLO's level of play will be in a year from now. I think we're all hoping for great things from him
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I'm a fan of both TLO and white-ra, so I was just happy to see them play.
However, upon watching the replays from their first show match, an odd thought occured to me.
Was white-Ra drunk while playing?
Go back and watch the games with that in mind (the first showmatch). The random motherships, the weird void ray control, storming his own units. If someone asked me how I I thought White-Ra would play while drunk, I would've answered with exactly what he did.
+ Show Spoiler +I'm not entirely serious. Mad respect to both players.
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I just want to clarify that we did not run this whole thing; we did not put it together, contact the players, choose the maps, etc.
We tried to make it a dual cast at the last minute and weren't quite prepared when TLO and Whitera started the game. We were hoping to get a couple more minutes to set everything up but they were ready to go.
Sorry for any technical difficulties on our end.
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On July 15 2010 13:35 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
I just want to clarify that we did not run this whole thing; we did not put it together, contact the players, choose the maps, etc.
We tried to make it a dual cast at the last minute and weren't quite prepared when TLO and Whitera started the game. We were hoping to get a couple more minutes to set everything up but they were ready to go.
Sorry for any technical difficulties on our end.
np man you're still awesome !
But i didnt heard a "see you guys next time" at the end
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I seem to be dissapointed with White-ra showmatches, he does pretty much always the same strategy every game, no major changes and as shown vs TLO 4-1 and then 4-0 gets caught out. He did play badly from what you can see in the replays with many mistakes so posibily he may of managed ot take a few games here and there but otherwise I was very dissapointed.
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On July 15 2010 07:53 Pandain wrote:
Any other vods up in different sites? HomerJ's doesn't work for me.
Maybe it was a conversion bug. Blip told me that conversion is done now! But remember, its a dualcast from Frosti and me in german - http://hdhomerj.blip.tv
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WhiteRa seriously needs to work on a few new builds for PvT. It seems like he used a voidray (unsuccessfully) every single game in both showmatches. It was just much worse the first showmatch due to latency. TLO's TvP, on lost temple at least, appeared to be very solid, especially the second showmatch. TLO showed some crazy marine micro, I really didn't know they could be that effective against P without mauraders.
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Um toss is so limited vs terran at this stage imo he cant do much,
He can try what , early ht + collossi ? Takes up ridiculusly amounts of gas to do this while terran can just rush you with steam marines and few marauders and totally win.
What exactly can do fast enough apart massing stalkers at the beginning , maybe add more sentries but that too takes too much gas , you cant have early on.
---- Third game , im a bit of curius , i mean first thing you learn as a noob in sc2 always try to scout.
Ra is in advance position at a point , but he just doesnt scout , tlo uses the superior terran macro to pump some fast cash and mass Battle cruisers.
If had scouted he could have counter this easy rly not a good play there from ra .
---------seen 4th game as well.
common siege tanks are a cheat esp with some suvs repairing them vs toss
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On July 17 2010 20:55 st3roids wrote:
Um toss is so limited vs terran at this stage imo he cant do much,
He can try what , early ht + collossi ? Takes up ridiculusly amounts of gas to do this while terran can just rush you with steam marines and few marauders and totally win.
What exactly can do fast enough apart massing stalkers at the beginning , maybe add more sentries but that too takes too much gas , you cant have early on.
---- Third game , im a bit of curius , i mean first thing you learn as a noob in sc2 always try to scout.
Ra is in advance position at a point , but he just doesnt scout , tlo uses the superior terran macro to pump some fast cash and mass Battle cruisers.
If had scouted he could have counter this easy rly not a good play there from ra .
What are u talking about? He DID scout them. Didnt u saw all thoose voidrays he was massing?
The problem is voidrays dont counter bcruisers if they have a yamato cannon wich is kinda... there is no unit now in protoss arsenal to counter BC's if they have yamato.
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On July 17 2010 21:41 Acidlineup wrote:
there is no unit now in protoss arsenal to counter BC's if they have yamato. blinking stalkers? feedback? hmmm..
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Um he had like 4-5 vrays vs 5-6 bcs , he always had some vrays up in that game anyway, maybe he scouted but i dont think that he did it in time.
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On July 16 2010 14:11 automocc wrote:
TLO showed some crazy marine micro, I really didn't know they could be that effective against P without mauraders.
Yeah I think this is one of the reasons that this is giving White Ra so much trouble. TLO is just so efficient with marines that even when White Ra gains a strategic advantage TLO is still able to macro well enough to stay in the game.
Game 4 was a blast! I hope they continue to build up this 'rivalry' because they are such a dynamic matchup.
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Sorry to break it to you but if the first unit of a race can hold up against everything that a protoss throws to them ( or almost anything ) there is something wrong here.
also it were the siege tanks that won , apart that game 3 which outsmarted ra and used bc's
Btw this http://sc2casts.com/cast82-NaNi-vs-TheLittleOne-Best-of-3-GLHF.it-Invitational-Quater-Finals Is what would have happened if Ra didnt used vray or air at start ,
streamrolled from mass marauders ,
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All four games were nothing short of amazing. TLO showed us his bag of tricks, did something else every game.
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